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Subject: Possibly having to choose to terminate or not


Author:
Heather Bailey
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Date Posted: 19:24:14 03/15/05 Tue

I have a healthy 7 year old son. In 2001 I had a baby boy that passed away at 5 months due to cystic encephalomalacia (cysts that take over the body). They did not discover this until after he was born. They thought it was a freak thing and wouldn't happen again. So in 2002 I was pregnant again. I was going to a maternal fetal center, had numerous ultra sounds and amniocentesis everything was normal. When she was born she stared having problems. She was diagnosed with the same thing. She passed away at 4 months old. The only thing similar with them on prenatal u.s showed cpc's which usually is normal if there are no other abnormalities which there werent. Also the afp was abnormal but further testing came up normal. We were told it might be genetics we had every test there is to be done they still aren't sure. So they said we would have a 75% chance of having a healthy baby.We want another child very bad and decided to try one more time we thought for sure it won't happen again. I am now 20 weeks pregnant. I just recently had a u.s. done baby was fine again except for they found cpc's again. My afp was normal. I am scheduled for a fetal mri on april 1. Whcih might and might not tell if this child will have the same thing. I will have to decide that day if I want to terminate or not. I am going crazy trying to decide the right thing to do. My husband wont really talk about it because he wants me to keep it no matter what. My son says he wants to keep it cause it is his brother and he'll love it no matter what and he wants to see it. I have mixed feelings. I know I'd love it and take the best of care of it while he is here. But I've already buried 2. I don't know if it's right to bring another child here on this earth to possibly suffer and will eventually pass away.The first baby didn't really suffer but the second one did. If anyone has any suggestions I'd greatly appreciate it!

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[> Subject: Re: Possibly having to choose to terminate or not


Author:
Sharon
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Date Posted: 20:25:29 03/18/05 Fri

Heather,

I don't usually post to this board, but I saw your post and my heart goes out for you. I feel I need to share my thoughts.

First, I can't imagine losing two babies. That must have been absolutely devastating. I don't blame you for fearing having to possibly go through that again and possibly having your baby suffer, as the second little one did.

But, I think perhaps the single most important person right now is your 7-year-old son. Even if you try to gently explain it to him, he will know that you chose to "kill" his little brother or sister. He will likely feel fear, even though it wouldn't be founded, that HE might be in danger of possibly not being perfect enough or good enough to warrant your protection. I know this sounds harsh, and I SO wish you weren't having to wrestle with this at this time (that there were no cpc's and no threat of any abnormality), but I truly think that of all the ones involved, your 7-year-old stands to suffer the most if you decide to abort at this late stage. True, it may be this baby also has the abnormality and may not live for long. But, your little boy is right: he will love his little brother or sister no matter what...in fact, he already does.

God bless you and your family. I will truly keep you in my prayers.

Sharon
[> Subject: Re: Possibly having to choose to terminate or not


Author:
Monica
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Date Posted: 20:30:20 03/18/05 Fri

Hi Heather,

What an incredibly difficult situation you are in. I'm sorry for the loss of two precious children and all the stress of the upcoming testing and decisions . . . I'm glad you are reaching out for some answers and support.

I don't think anyone would want to face losing a child again. I mean, wouldn't you rather cut off your arms than go through that kind of grief? But still, you have that voice within you that is conflicted. You have a child who wants to welcome a baby brother no matter what. Lots of difficult things in the mix there.

I think you've got to ask yourself, ultimately, if the brief time you had with your children was precious time. IF this baby is affected, would you throw away that precious time?

I can think of two moms in similar situations as you. One had two children with Zellweger's syndrome -- her name is Nancy Guthrie and she wrote a book about her story - I think it's available thru Tyndale Press. The second child with this disease she knew in utero -- so like you, she knew what she was facing.

The other mom is Theresa. She carried two babies with anencephaly, which if you've not heard of it is universally fatal within hours, days, maybe a week and a half at the most. I will share an essay she wrote while she carried Charlotte (her second baby with anencephaly):

http://www.benotafraid.net/article.asp?id=26

I hope that reading about these moms will help you know that you aren't alone. You know more than many that you will face a lot of opposition if you decide to carry your baby boy after finding out that he does have the condition -- but you alone are this child's mother and only you will understand the value of his life in this world, however short it may be -- you, your husband, and your little boy.

Please hang in there and share your thoughts and feelings as you can!

Sincerely, Monica
[> Subject: Beautiful Story


Author:
Lori
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Date Posted: 21:06:51 03/18/05 Fri

WHY CARRY A DYING CHILD? A MOTHER'S PERSPECTIVE

Many of you have wondered, "What's the point?...or perhaps pitied us for 'having' to continue carrying a child who is not going to live for long...I understand these thoughts, because when my sister was carrying Thomas Walter (who had been diagnosed with anencephaly at 18 weeks and lived for 17 1/2 hours after birth) I really didn't properly comprehend the whole situation. I knew it was the 'right' thing to do. I didn't question that I would have no other option if the same thing ever happened to me (although I knew it never would!) But I thought how awful it was to know for over four months that the child you are carrying is unable to live outside your womb.
Once he was born, I was able to hold my nephew and see him finally as a real person-a precious unique creation-I began to realise that there was a lot more to it than mere 'ethics'. When, much to my disbelief, my own baby, Benedict, was diagnosed with this same condition four years later-I was finally able to grasp it, although it has taken me a long time to be able to put my thoughts into words. It is only since Charlotte's diagnosis that I have found words that almost convey my feelings.

Some people think we carried Benedict and Charlotte to term because we don't agree with abortion, because we are Catholic, or perhaps because our nephew was carried to term after a fatal diagnosis. While these factors probably all played a part in our immediate refusal of the option to 'terminate', this is not what it's all about! It's about love! It's about my baby! It's not about some tragic, fatal medical condition-it's about my child. We do not possess more strength than other people. It's not because we can cope where others wouldn't. There is no way to avoid the sad fact thatshe cannot live long after birth with this condition, but causing Charlotte to die earlier will not stop this happening. Causing her to die earlier will only take from us the beautiful experience of knowing and loving her.

The value of Thomas Walter, Benedict and Charlotte cannot be measured by the length of their lives-we don't apply this yardstick to adults, so why should we to babies? A baby is not a possession, an accessory to acquire. A baby is a gift, a new entity, a precious, individual soul loved by God. We are created for a prupose, there is a reason for our being here. Even if that reason is unclear to us most of the time, we are constantly affecting other people in our families, communities etc. Who knows what purpose can be fulfilled in 9 months and one day? I don't know, but God does. I do know that Benedict left a lasting impression on our family, he made us slow down, savour life, and treasure our other children even more. He made us realise that we cannot control or predict what will happen in the future, he made us rely on God. And how often are we given the opportunity to really give anotehr person true unconditional love? Love that truly expects no return? It was a blessing to experience that kind of pure love!

So don't pity us for carrying a child we know will die. Carrying this beautiful person is an honour. Grieve for the fact that our baby will die. We wouldn't wish away the time we had with Benedict, and salso this time we are now experiencing with Charlotte, just to save us the pain of losing them. I've always thought of it like this; if your 3 year old was diagnosed with untreatable, fatal cancer and had only 4 months to live; would you refer the doctor kill your child straight away so that you didn't have to wait for his/her impending death? Or would you rpefer to spend as much time as you could with your child and love him/her for as long as you had left?

Someone asked us after Benedict died, "Was it worth it?" OH, YES! For the chance to hold him, and see him, and love him before letting him go...For the chance for our children to see that we would never stop loving them, regardless of their imperfections? For the chance to give him everything we could? OH, YES! Love your children, and remember that they each have their own unique mission. Children are always and only a blessing from God-even if they don't stay very long...

Written by Teresa, mother to ^Benedict^ and ^Charlotte^
[> Subject: Re: Possibly having to choose to terminate or not


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 13:10:43 03/19/05 Sat

Hello, Heather,

My heart goes out to you because of your experiences losing children. It is truly heartbreaking to bury one so young. That said, I would like to offer some thoughts.

Everyone's life is worthwhile. I will give you a couple of examples. A friend just recently emailed me. He and his wife lost their daughter of four months' age to SIDS. But in her short life, she had saved the life of another: a man had brought his significant other for an abortion, and when he saw my friend's daughter, he changed his mind. I also had a very dear friend I met online. She was about 18 when I met her. She had a hereditary condition which was fatal in a person's 20's. We don't even know where she got it. She was very sick most of the time I knew her. She was very badly overweight because of the condition, and she had a lot of pain. And recently she did pass away. But my life was immeasurably enriched by her, and she saved many lives also, persuading people not to have abortions, and she also spent a lot of time trying to find out what happened to missing children who had been missing for years. She touched so many lives! And then there is my nephew. He has Down Syndrome. Not only is he brighter than most children (his language development at 3 1/2 was that of a five year old), but he has brought a hurting family together and healed their relationships. He is a wonderfully loving child, and I'm jealous God didn't give him to me instead of my sister!

The other thing is that prenatal diagnosis is NOT reliable. You could choose to destroy a healthy child. While that seems unlikely, I personally would never want to take the chance.

The choice before you is, assuming the diagnosis is correct, whether to accept a child who will die earlier than usual (we all die, and when our children are born, we know they will die someday, and there is always a chance they'll die young), or to actively bring about the child's death, robbing him or her of the short time s/he has. I would never want to rob my child of such a little bit of time, because that little bit of time wasn't enough. If that little bit of time isn't enough, then neither is a shorter time.

I will be forever haunted by the words of a friend who decided to terminate because her child had hydroencephaly (she didn't know about the in utero treatment that had just been developed, and she didn't know that if she had taken B vitamins, he wouldn't have developed the condition). She got to hold him after he was born, but she said to me, "I just wish I had been able to look into his eyes."

I hope you will choose life for your child. Even if this child has the defect, God may still give you a healthy one. But God never makes mistakes. You are carrying this child for a reason, and you may not know why for a very long time, but eventually you will figure it out. I would never, ever want to refuse one of God's gifts. Yes, we live with imperfect bodies and fatal conditions. But love is the real gift: your love, which God wants to grow through these experiences. He has something in mind for you. Please protect your baby!

Hugs,

Pat
[> Subject: Re: Possibly having to choose to terminate or not


Author:
Dawn M.
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Date Posted: 20:13:06 03/19/05 Sat

Heather,
I send you my thoughts and prayers. I hope you allow your family the chance to meet your baby even if it is for only a short time. I think a little time is better than none. I will pray for your family to come to a peaceful decision.
Dawn
[> Subject: Re: Possibly having to choose to terminate or not


Author:
Angie (hopeful)
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Date Posted: 20:07:47 09/03/06 Sun

Dear Heather--May the Lord bless you with a suprenatural peace. I was faced with similiar circumstance 6 years ago. I wrote a book about it and we have a website about the anguish and the hope--it is a terrible line to have to walk. I hope you will find some hope and peace in our story. www.whiterose4jon.net It is a deeply personal decision whether to terminate or not but I believe that it is always right to choose life--at least with this choice there are options and hope. Termination is too final. My prayers are with you and your family. I'll be praying for a miracle of healing for you and your baby.
Love, Peace, and Blessings,
Angie


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