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Subject: Re: Baptism Author: Jeff Davis [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Wed, Jun 26 2002, 20:49:30 In reply to: E. Popp 's message, "Baptism" on Tue, Jun 11 2002, 9:09:36 My contention is that baptism in terms of immersion in water is an essential step in the salvation of a believer. In Matthew 28:19, Jesus leaves his disciples with a final command, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost." Mark records this very same dialogue, but includes a vital message from Jesus that Matthew did not; "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, He that believeth not shall be damned" (Mark 16:16). Through the New Testament, in Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-13, 8:38, 9:18, 16:15, 16:33, 18:8, 19:3-5, and 22:16, those who come to a belief in Christ are baptized immediately, indicating a sense of urgency on the part of the apostles. "Believe and be baptized" is a recurring message from the apostles, showing perhaps that the two are equally necessary in the work of salvation. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Baptism Author: QUITTNER [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Fri, Jun 28 2002, 9:48:11 Yes, but the gospel writers, or later editors, omitted what happened between the "believe" and the "Baptism" --> the whole (difficult?) entrance requirements with the vows relating to personal property and moral/ethical future behavior. And, yes, Baptism came at the end, after which the applicants were admitted to membership of the Kingdom of God/Heaven; they were then "The Poor". Compare with the entrance requirements to modern religious orders, including monasteries, convents, monks, nuns, etc., and also read what was the practice in a similar, possibly related, community that lived near Qumran and left us their "Dead Sea Scrolls".

[> [> Subject: Re: Baptism Author: The Squeezer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sun, Aug 04 2002, 20:00:00 It is the blood of Jesus that cleanses from all sin not water. If one looks to the water, they are looking carnally. It fact they are making baptism an idol. It is the baptism into the body of Christ that saves not the water. The Squeezer.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Baptism Author: QUITTNER [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2002, 8:10:10 The Squeezer: Did Jesus say that? If so, where in the four gospels does it say so?