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Date Posted: 18:01:02 08/21/02 Wed
Author: Lijdrec
Subject: Well....... I wasn't being rigorous on the spur of the moment....
In reply to:
UHC
's message, "Dinner Bell!!!!!!!!!" on 17:46:21 08/21/02 Wed
If you want to get technical I would say that the chip activates based on a combination of 2 separate things happening. First the hunger responce and then the signal that goes from the brain to his muscles that says "Bite/Hit/Kick/Kill" And when the 2 are combined we get ZAAAAAAP.
Uh.... I think that is exactly what I said, a two parter.
I think the sensing that is being read by the chip first is related to the hunting/prey sense of the Vampire. This does not have to be a conscious effort on the part of the Vampire. Thus Spike did not use his senses to confirm Tara's humanity, but used the outward effect of the chip to prove it. In fact this step is probably always ongoing sub-consciously in the Vampire; ie. the Vampire may not be consciously hunting for prey for this brain activity to be occurring. It is probably an innate instinctual response that the chip is using.
Then there is the second read...
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1 point for Liddy -- UHC, 18:10:51 08/21/02 Wed [1]
I concede the Tara issue. And this is something I hadn't considered, however. I have other problems along the way.
In "Yoko Factor" back in season 4, we have Spike being zapped for pointing a gun at Xander. I'll let you go ahead and attack that and see whats left.
Then in Weight of the World. Spike is annoyed with Xander. And he knows he is going to get Zapped but he goes to hit him. Now the problem here is I know Spike had no food thoughts going on here. He simply wanted to inflict pain (even though it was only a small amount) But it throws the whole dinnerbell part off to me.
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1 point for Liddy and add 2 more!?!? -- Lijdrec, 18:51:36 08/21/02 Wed [1]
In "Yoko Factor" back in season 4, we have Spike being zapped for pointing a gun at Xander.
So? Sorry I don't see the problem with my theory!
Then in Weight of the World. Spike is annoyed with Xander. And he knows he is going to get Zapped but he goes to hit him. Now the problem here is I know Spike had no food thoughts going on here.
You seem to have missed my point, Church.....
The Vampire need not be consciously looking for food.
The first step is probably always ongoing sub-consciously in the Vampire; ie. the Vampire may not be consciously hunting for prey for this brain activity to be occurring. It is probably an innate, instinctual food/prey response that the chip is using. I believe that the Vampiric Demon inhabits the R-complex, Reptilian portion of human brain. There it finds similar human behaviors to that of its own. The rudimentary functions of that portion of the human brain include:
basic life support systems, reflex responses, basic physiological functions, primary motor functions, instinctive or genetically-programmed behaviors, primitive sensations, aggression, territoriality, dominance, and the reproductive behaviors.
The Vampire may be using the human instinctive or genetically-programmed behaviors and it would be those behaviors/senses that the chip would be reading concerning a food source.
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K I will go along with your theory for now -- UHC, 19:11:29 08/21/02 Wed [1]
hehe and no Phaedra he didn't get me because he used big words. I still have some qualms with some of the scenes. But I'm willing to accept your explanation. Mostly because I'm not against it. However I do wonder if the writers actually put as much into thinking this through as we did or if they just did the whole "What If" game.
So my next question. As Spike gows as a demon with a soul. Does that mean he will overcome the urge to eat period and thus defeat the chip that way? Or is it only that way with Buffy?
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Wore you down did I.?.! - Claiming victory in this battle then. Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah! -- Lijdrec....;-), 20:49:05 08/21/02 Wed [1]
So my next question. As Spike gows as a demon with a soul. Does that mean he will overcome the urge to eat period and thus defeat the chip that way? Or is it only that way with Buffy?
To Reiterate: If the Demon is no longer in control, the same response that may have been 'turned-off' by the Demon and allowed Spike to hurt Buffy, may be extinguished by the a Souled Spike. Thus if there is no automatic sensing of a mortal being as a food source the chip will not be triggered. Angel himself is the example for this. He no longer tends to look upon the Humanity as food sources. Angel only came to consider Connor as a food source, to sense his blood, only after being clandestinely fed his son's blood.
I think that with Spike this may develop over Season 7. But then again you cannot be sure. I think the writers, even JW, do not know how the chip works. The only write that it does! Or doesn't, and then try to explain it, they've done a piss-poor Sci-Fi job of that (ie. Buffy's deep molecular tan, but maybe they were lying?)!
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