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Re: Have a cigar!

Author:
Jeff

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Date Posted: 21:00:22 06/19/02 Wed
In reply to:

Ken 's message, "Have a cigar!" on 19:06:41 06/19/02 Wed

Curt, portraying Ken and writing your statement is what I know as 'sidestepping'. Rather then deal with Ken face to face you 'retaliate' in a sneaky sort of way. I was/am confused as I didn't understand. I thought Ken was getting really pissed at you for no reason. I can say I was on the verge of mis judging Ken which is unfortunate as I had to ask Ken on the side what was 'his problem'.
Reading your message about your judgements that you thought Ken's humor at you was too much is your judgement. I invite you to go back at your remarks to Ken and see the judgements there. I believe you both need to clear with each other. We can begin with Ken THEN afterwards, Curt can clear with Ken. Lets don't put this off, let's do it NOW. So Ken, if you care to start, state to Curt Your Feeling-The Data-The Judgements then STOP there so Curt can reflect back.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Clearing and sidestepping

Author:
Curt

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Date Posted: 20:28:33 06/20/02 Thu

I'll let him clear with me, no problem. I believe the clearing process to be helpful
to the initiator, who gets helped with their feelings by writing them down and then
being able to make some judments about what caused the other person to do such bad things without having their analysis challenged. I will parrot back what is typed, but I feel
that Ken's issues with me go WAY beyond what any number of clearings can do for him.
I will engage in the clearing because I think Jeff believes in the process, Ken might gain from it, and finally, all of us might learn even a little bit more about what's in our hearts.

Not that it's important, Jeff, but did you notice that my adopting Ken's personna in order
to post something was in response to his posting the "Boo hoo" message as me? Let's
keep the finger pointing to a minimun shall we?

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Correction

Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 22:01:11 06/20/02 Thu

By the way, I just now noticed that it looked to me that Ken's post "Have a cigar! -- Ken, 19:06:41 06/19/02 Wed" had been posted as me since my picture was shown above the post (when you open the post), even though my pict was only shown because the post was in response to my post which showed my picture. That might lead to my confusion. Look at it again and see what might happen when you're in a hurry. Whoops, sorry.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Correction again
Author: Curt [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:25:31 06/20/02 Thu Correction again. Boy this board is tricky. In my last post, the post I meant to refer to was Ken's post "Humor (or the lack thereof) -- Ken, 10:19:44 06/19/02 Wed." It looked like it was from me, not the other ones. Aarrgh.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Correction

Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 10:05:29 06/21/02 Fri

>By the way, I just now noticed that it looked to me
>that Ken's post "Have a cigar! -- Ken, 19:06:41
>06/19/02 Wed" had been posted as me since my picture
>was shown above the post (when you open the post),
>even though my pict was only shown because the post
>was in response to my post which showed my picture.
>That might lead to my confusion. Look at it again and
>see what might happen when you're in a hurry. Whoops,
>sorry.

I just now figured out what you're talking about. Yes, that was me, posting as me. I was crying my eyes out because Curt didn't think my banner was funny.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Clearing and sidestepping
Author: Jeff [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:19:35 06/21/02 Fri Alright Curt, you've expressed why you agree and see some benefit to the process. Lets focus up guys to the clearing. This is Ken's time, lets be mindful and respect the process. So, 'Reflect'(please don't use parrot) back to Ken his feelings/data and judgements.