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Hogalum Discussion
Subject: Q&A done, so now what?????


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 13:55:59 09/03/02 Tue
So, now what do we do damnit?
That was a good exercise, I do believe I've learned a little bit more about each of you.

Oh, I lost another 5 lbs. down to 220. Got the tape of Man-Talk burned on CD and will be receiving another 12 copies. Listening to it for the first time, its needs some punch to it. More energy, a little bit more agressive. All three of us men sound very reflective and solemn which is fine to start but the future show needs more pep.
[> Subject: Re: Q&A done, so now what?


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 04:04:21 09/04/02 Wed
Thank you all for taking the time to respond to the survey. Yes, that exercise did show us a bit more of how we think and what we value, but my main purpose was to get us sharing again. That, and to pick the location for the next reunion. The results are in. It looks like 3 out of 4 want to go to Japan! Well, maybe after one of us wins that $1,000,000 jackpot.

I would really like to see you all submit your own survey, or if that's too much, then a few new questions.

It was good to learn more about you all. Some of the answers helped me to get a better understanding of how you see the world through your eyes. There were a few absolutely beautiful answers that I agree with completely.

Jeff:
32. A person really should...
GET IN TOUCH WITH THEIR INNER POTENTIAL, SEE ALL THAT THEY DO AS GOOD, SEE THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT EXIST AMONGST US ALL AND REACH OUT TO EACH OTHER FOR HELP.

Curt:
32. A person really should... do whatever makes them happy.

Ken:
27. I like people who... are kind

We have our differences, no doubt about that, but you can see that we share some very important values and interests. When we don't connect often it's easy to forget this and feel discouraged and alienated. Let's continue this exploration. Stay tuned.
Subject: The legend of Sisyphus - What the HELL is this????


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 11:08:36 09/04/02 Wed
I can't take it. I thought I could do this exercise without some kind of comment, but I can't help it. What the hell is Sisyphus???
[> Subject: The legend of Sisyphus


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 00:15:52 09/05/02 Thu
This is a rather famous Greek myth. You'll often hear references to it in phrases like "It was a Sisyphean task."

The core of the myth concerns the punishment Sisyphus received in Tartarus (hell). He was compelled to roll a huge stone to the top of a hill, but every time he neared the summit its weight would overcome him and it would roll to the bottom. There he would have to begin again, eternally struggling to complete his task.

The myth relates to never-ending work, fruitless struggles, cruel punishments, suffering and meaninglessness.

That's all you really need to know, but of course I can never leave it that. Here's the best part that most people never learn or forget.

Why did this king of Corinth draw such a hellish punishment? He once witnessed Zeus abduct the daughter of a river god and when her father asked him if he knew what happened to his daughter Sisyphus told him, in exchange for a boon. He wanted the god to create an ever flowing spring in his city. Zeus was enraged that this mortal betrayed him, even though he was quite guilty, and so he sent Thanatos (death) to dispatch the king.

But Sisyphus was a very wiley character with a number of clever adventures under his belt. He knew how to elude trouble, most of the time. When Thanatos was about to bore him away in chains, Sisyphus asked him to demonstate how the manicles worked and then promptly locked them closed and held death as his prisoner. For the space of a few days no one could die, no matter if they were beheaded by the executioner or hacked to pieces on the battlefield.

Ares, the god of war, was the most offended because this completely changed his battles. He personally went off to find and rescue Thanatos and take Sisyphus to hell. Again, the clever king had a plan. He instructed his wife to leave his body unburied. Later, when brought before Hades Sisyphus explained that his wife had neglected to properly dispose of his body or perform any of the customary rites. He asked for leave to return and punish her. He then returned to the surface and merely resumed his life. When the gods learned of his deception they sent Hermes to personally take him into Tartarus and there to adminster his eternal punishment.

Don't mess with the gods. It's a bad way to become famous.
[> [> Subject: Re: The legend of Sisyphus


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 07:47:53 09/05/02 Thu
Yeah, John, thats very nice. Really now, What the Hell is a Sisyphus?
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Legends


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 10:01:33 09/05/02 Thu
Okay, forget Sisyphus. My real favorite myth is that of the "clinically proven fat reducing gel."

By the way, I got an email from Kira Lerner, the Editor-in-Chief of Episodic Review. They have selected Secret Journals as a "Featured" series and posted another pretty good write up.

http://www.episodicreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=12982
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Legends


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 15:01:23 09/05/02 Thu
Hey, THAT is a kick ass review. Of course I certainly noticed the LACK of mentioning the enigmatic Satyros whose character brings an air of mystery and foreboding to the series.(which is integral to the whole hogalum universe, all biases aside) Would the lack of Satyros bring the whole series crumbling down like a house of cards?.......well....yes, but that just shows how essential his energy and finesse is complimenting the entire group. Now is Mentiac got gangrene and died a horrible death would the series continue...well of course. If Valkusian went blind from getting hit in the eyes with a cream puff during the World Expo, staggered back and was killed by a trolley, would the adventures still spring forth....oh, in a heartbeat. Take out Satyros, you might as well scoop out the heart of the entire show, pack up and say 'Goodnight Gracie'.
Now why couldn't review reflect the OBVIOUS is beyond me. Someday, they'll see. They'll all come around and with eyes wide open realize what a treasure trove of entertainment stands before them in the shape of Attiuc Satyros, man of mystery!!!

Damn you, critics....damn you all to hell!
Subject: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 14:22:37 09/09/02 Mon
Well Gentlemen, The meeting went very well today. Although, contracts haven't been signed yet, but WRRD 540 am station is excited to have MAN-TALK as part of their regular local shows. We still have some details to cover, but putting it bluntly Man-Talk is gonna be ON THE AIR! We are discussing having the show air live weekday evenings, the rebroadcast taped show on Saturday afternoons. By pure luck the station, which airs many national taped shows, is pushing to bring in local shows. Here comes Man-Talk. (Being a christian station, I did slip in a spiritual aspect to the show which helped to show them that Man-Talk will fit their basic formats. It doesn't mean I'm reading scripture and any wackadoo prayers or any WWJD....I did emphasize how a man being in touch with his feelings can strengthen his passion towards his faith.) So, they have this new challenge and BAM, they receive a phone from an old friend and employee, Elizabeth, who tells them about this guy she met(thats me) and the show I've created. They're interest was tweaked AND it seemed to fit exactly what they were looking for.

Plus, as he heard me speak during the meeting, the program director thought I was a natural and had no qualms of me hosting/co-hosting my own show.(yes, Elizabeth will be co-hosting....BUT I"M THE STAR DAMN IT!!!)

Here I am with NO DEGREE, NO PHD...not a therapist or psychiatrist....and I'm about to put on my own show which will cover as far north as Green Bay and as far South as S.Chicago. That is cool, that I'll be heard in FREAKIN' CHICAGO!!!!!

Just another example guys, just like Curtis' story getting involved in Star Trek, if you let your passion guide you and your confidence in what you do strengthen you to ram through any obsticles, you can create your visions! The world can be your oyster!

While we prepare and discuss more details, before we sign contracts, I've got to wait for court hearing for divorce to be final. * I didn't expect all this to happen so fast. I mean, I thought of this crazy idea of a show 3 months ago!!! I aired my first show TWO months ago...and now I'm about to do a regular show!!!

Now, for the down side: I will mind my Ps and Qs. No more on-line Mr. X.....no more Darkmynd.....no more seducing women and having any other nastiness within arms reach (sniff). I've got to change my lifestyle to best reflect what I preach.....no more sneaking into the dark realms..(sniff, sniff) This is gonna suck...I have a real problem with this as I don't like to be placed on a pedestal. I don't like being viewed as better than, or fixed, or being an example....I like being just as screwed up, jacked up, wacked out as the rest of us. Am I saying I want to be able to get into trouble and not be held accountable? YES I AM. Why???? Good question...I'll let you guys analyze me and tell me why.

Well, much to do. I've got to write out a new incantation and place it in a greeting card and drive over to Kim's and hand it to her. Later, I've got to start looking for sponsors for the show. I'll just pull out the yellow pages, and start writing down names. Between Elizabeth and I, I feel confident we can get the sponsors so we can pay the station for the air time and get some additional coinage for ourselves.
Hey Ken, if you feel up to it....I could use some logo ideas for Man-Talk.
Subject: If you're drunk, don't bid on Ebay


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 00:39:32 09/11/02 Wed
Remember that article in "The Onion" about that guy who accidentally
"won" every episode of "Mama's Family" on Ebay? Well check out this link:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1562486035
Subject: Hee Haa Haa


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 13:41:34 09/11/02 Wed
I am right now watching such a funny movie, you guys have got to watch it....The movie is called SWINGERS. The most hysterical part is the main guys best friend TRENT...his advice and smooth talkin' about picking up on the ladies is hysterical!!!!!
I found some great resource material for the radio show. Since I've gotta go out and find my sponsors, I got a copy of the Consumer Expenditure Survey for 2000 & 2001. This is great stuff as it breaks down expenditures for the 35-55 age bracket I'm targeting. Anyone know how to get a copy of a LIFESTYLE MARKET ANALYSIS? without having to pay for it? If anyone knows or finds it, let me know. Also watched Shakespeare in Love....I really enjoyed it. Very good movie.
Subject: Movie for John


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 18:02:54 09/05/02 Thu
John, I'd like you to go out and watch the movie "Shipping News". I want you to really pay attention to it. Then let me know what you think about it.
[> Subject: movies-r-us


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 01:48:55 09/08/02 Sun
Jeff, I'll rent it next time I go for some videos. It got bad reviews and I don't know anyone who has seen it until you mentioned it. Now it's on my list.

I just saw The Road Home and loved it. It's a recent award winning film from China. The story is told by a man that returns from the big city to his small village because his father just died. His mother wants the body carried back to the village since the father died in a hospital in a neighboring city. The old tradition, rarely followed anymore, is for the body to be carried home with the entourage shouting out to the spirit "this is the way home" so he is not lost. The mother's demands for this task at first seem unreasonable and childishly superstitious. Then we are shown the story of their courtship and marriage and after this revealation the viewer is left with the feeling that her request must be honoured. The young woman is played by the beautiful Zhang Ziyi, from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. This film had me crying like a baby by the end. It's such an incredibly beautiful story of love and devotion. I'll probably buy the DVD.

Tonight I'm about to watch Life Is Beautiful. Yes, I have to catch up on some films I've missed over the years.
[> [> Subject: Re: movies-r-us


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:29:50 09/09/02 Mon
I really enjoy watching movies that had a real impact on you guys. To me, its like taking a peek through a window of your hearts. Example: I never would have rented Gods & Monsters, til John mentioned the impact it had on him. I will make sure I rent The Road Home. I feel a little better from this last weekend. I had the kids. The Iron Maiden was in top form with threats, inquisitions, and demands. She threatened to not let me have the kids on Sunday. I had to sit in the car Sunday morning while she came out, massive hands or hips, hearing the gears and motors buzzing and clicking as her Iron form lumbered towards me for more speeches and sarcasms. It took all my strength to sit there and let her have her moment, in the front yard, for all the neighbor to witness her tight grip of control like a steel vise. Eventually she informed her Dark Harpies to let the children go free. (I did notice new sores on her ankles and a bandage on her left foot. I see her disorder upon her remaining human form continues to plague her. If I need to, I'll address this in court for all to see.) That horrible whore-bitch ought to be thrown into a steel foundry!

I spent Sat. night with Anne, the amazon woman. I finally got to hang out at her house. It used to be a duplex, converted to a single family home. Its a big house! She joked about me taking the kids and moving with her and her two children. They are younger, 4&2. She also has a boy and a girl. I joked back, sure...as soon as Kim gets hit by a runaway bus. Then we'll see. I'll let you guys updated on the luncheon with the radio people today.
[> Subject: Re: Movie for John


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 23:16:41 09/11/02 Wed
>John, I'd like you to go out and watch the movie
>"Shipping News". I want you to really pay attention to
>it. Then let me know what you think about it.

Well, tonight was 2 for 1 at my favorite video store and I paid the extra $1 for the "new release" of Shipping News. I just finished watching it a few minutes ago and I'm asking myself why Jeff wanted me to watch this. I'm afraid this film did not speak to me at all. I'll just leave it at that. I was about to write up a review, but I will refrain out of respect for Jeff.
[> [> Subject: Life Is Beautiful


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 23:33:14 09/11/02 Wed
A follow up on Life Is Beautiful. I can see how this film got a lot of attention and a warm reception. It's a challenging subject for wacky Italian funnyman Roberto Benigni, but pulled off with wit and grace.

The story sets up with the meeting and courtship of Benigni's character with a local beauty after he moves to his uncle's village. The setting is Italy during Mussolini's reign. After they marry and have a young son the Nazis begin the roundup of Italian Jews. When he and his uncle and son are taken away, his wife insists on going with them. They end up in a Nazi prison labor camp. In a grim moment in history, Benigni is able to craft a funny and moving portrait of a gifted comic doing his best to keep his wife's spirit alive and shield his son from their brutal reality.

A very good film, but certainly not a work of art. Much of it is quite unbelieveable, but because it doesn't attempt to preach nor take itself too seriously it works. Not one to make my list of favorite films and I certainly don't feel the need to ever watch this again, but I would recommend it for those curious as to how a tale in this setting can go against conventional storytelling.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Life Is Beautiful


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 10:20:01 09/12/02 Thu
John, What I got out of Shipping News were several 'messages'. A man living life numb. A man who remembers as a little boy the pain and the betrayal he received from his father and how HE IS STILL THAT WOUNDED BOY INSIDE. My goodness, the way he told that scank whore who seduced him that he loved her. He sounded like a frail little boy when he said it. A man who is unable to stand for himself and continue to always react to life especially the crises. Seeing a man trying to survive with the only ray of hope is his love for his child.

The movie really spoke to me. I guess it was the character striving to find an answer or trying to find his place in life that I thought of myself and you John. The ending had a definite impact on me.
How a man sees the pattern of his own family and at first believing his path would be the same, but realizing that he can make a choice and he does....towards healing his soul.

Its ok that you didn't get the same impact. I guess I was just on a different 'plane' while watching. It 'spoke' to me...a movie I will definitely purchase and place as a personal favorite. Oh, John...thanks for not revealing your critique out of respect. If anyone else has a chance to view this film I'd like to hear if they liked it or not. I might not be ready to hear WHY one wouldn't but a quick yes or no would be nice.
Subject: publish or perish


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 21:17:55 09/13/02 Fri
Ken, I found a copy of Futures Magazine at Borders today. I was so proud to find your story there on the shelf for lucky people to discover. I wanted to buy a copy, but the cover price was an astounding $10.95, and I'm quite broke at the moment.

I'm curious as to why you use a pen name, especially when the small blurb about the author tells everyone your real name. It was great that they also mentioned your web serial. Ken, you have arrived! I'm so happy for you and very proud, as well. Now, about those film rights...
[> Subject: Re: publish or perish


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:51:58 09/15/02 Sun
Careful John, you start mentioning movie rights to DL, he breaks out in a cold sweat, the walls seem to be closing in on him, the floor of his condo seems to slip at an angle like a Batman's villian lair, and he hears a ringing in his ears. I've seen DL start to peer out the living room window, sure of himself that a chimp, wearing a a business suit,smoking a cigar, and carries merchandising contracts from Hollywood conglomerates. I'm familiar with Hollywood using human albino contract hounds, but his chimp visions shows his psychalogical fragilty when the subject of expansion and franchise potentials from movies to gameboys to apparell merchandising.
Its best to just respond with "Thats nice DL, thats very nice. Its a good thing." Anything else can lead to DL perceiving you as an 'agent' of corruption. I recommend John that you retrack your statement before DL starts hallucinating that you resemble Lancelot Link.
[> [> Subject: Re: publish or perish


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 15:37:38 09/17/02 Tue
This sucks!! I went to Borders today...sure enough they don't sell FUTURES here in the midwest. Apparently there is some boycott taking place as the magazine seems to not print stories about or taking place in Wisconsin, therefore the Wisconsin franchise owners have joined forces to make their stand. So, I can't get it AND Futures website doesn't allow for check purchases AND I couldn't find an address to receive check orders. Those people need to get their acts together and pronto.
[> Subject: Re: publish or perish


Author:
DL aka Ken
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Date Posted: 21:24:15 09/22/02 Sun
>Ken, I found a copy of Futures Magazine at Borders
>today. I was so proud to find your story there on the
>shelf for lucky people to discover. I wanted to buy a
>copy, but the cover price was an astounding $10.95,
>and I'm quite broke at the moment.

I know, don't worry. I am going to buy all of you a copy and mail them out. (I get a discount)

>I'm curious as to why you use a pen name, especially
>when the small blurb about the author tells everyone
>your real name.

There's already an author that goes by the unremarkable moniker of Ken Foster. Can you believe it? It's probably a pseudonym, too. Anyway, I like the way it sounds.

>It was great that they also mentioned
>your web serial.

Actually, I wrote that, marketing genius that I am.

>Ken, you have arrived! I'm so happy
>for you and very proud, as well. Now, about those film
>rights...

I'd like to thank the Academy of Obscure Fiction Anthology Magazines for this honor...
Subject: In the name of the GODZ!!!


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 17:48:51 09/19/02 Thu
What the hell, cmon guys....what is going on???? Isn't Ken on vacation? He has stated on Mags site that the next chapter isn't until the 23rd!!!
I'm having withdrawals. I've also asked Ken if he wanted to help with creating a website for ManTalk Show but he hasn't responded to that either. I've started to email John directly sharing over some things since there just isn't much involvement taking place here. If you guys want to get ahold of me, then write to me directly. Maybe we need to speak one on one for awhile.
[> Subject: Re: In the name of the GODZ!!!


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 21:17:09 09/22/02 Sun
>What the hell, cmon guys....what is going on???? Isn't
>Ken on vacation? He has stated on Mags site that the
>next chapter isn't until the 23rd!!!

Relax, Jeff, the latest instalment is online RIGHT NOW!

>I'm having withdrawals. I've also asked Ken if he
>wanted to help with creating a website for ManTalk
>Show but he hasn't responded to that either.

I'm sorry Jeff, I didn't catch that in your email. I am very flattered, but I am honestly too busy to take on that sort of thing. I will happily advise you any way I can, though.

I finally got around to downloading a zip utility again, so I'll be taking a look at the other stuff you sent shortly.

>I've
>started to email John directly sharing over some
>things since there just isn't much involvement taking
>place here. If you guys want to get ahold of me, then
>write to me directly. Maybe we need to speak one on
>one for awhile.

Whoops, too late! I've already posted here, so you damn well better read this! Of course if you do, then you have, so you can ignore this. I mean this last part, not the whole thing. Oh, you know what I mean!
[> [> Subject: Re: In the name of the GODZ!!!


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:49:51 09/23/02 Mon
Well its about damn time!
Guys, watched CHANGING LANES with Ben Affleck and Samuel Jackson. Good movie, really enjoyed it. I'm off to lunch with Liz to discuss her committment with the radio show. She struggles with time committment being a new mom and running her own p/t time personal coaching business/products. (Doesn't she know that Inner Compass will incorporate her coaching biz and products, obsorbing them into my corporate black hole, suck as much potential as I can out of it, recieving 80% of the profits and then dropping her as excessive resource?
Duh!! :)
9 days to go til D.Day!!! I believe I finally got Kim to actually stop fighting and come up with a reasonable proposal. All she has done is condemn my very fair proposal yet hasn't worked towards a response. She stated her attorney will have their version written up and sent to us this week. I hope it will truly be reasonable coming from a unreasonable and unstable mind. I still hope to come out to AZ before Christmas. I plan on working in some business negotiations in Phx. and celebrate with you guys on my newly required divorce. Can we PLEASE start getting a steady flow of conversations here? By the way Ken, Yahoo version 5.5 has a whole shit load of new Emoticons. Can't you get them installed here? Also can't we install actual emoticons onto the message itself? Not the symbols but the cartoon faces.
Subject: Road Home


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:47:47 09/16/02 Mon
John, watched the movie on Sat. Wow, what a beautiful woman!! I'm hooked! I can only imagine how you felt watching it. IF you were upset seeing how it related to you and Aoy, I bet that flick reopened the wounds. Too, too early to be watching a film like that. I invite you John to share with us your thoughts and feelings about the movie and how you can relate to it so deeply. (HEY, any of you other guys check out the movie? Why the hell not? I rented it from the library. I believe it certainly is available. Why haven't you taken the time to watch and better understand how and why it had such an impact on him. If you shared a similar impact, would you not want us to try and relate? What does your behavior say about your desire to better understand any one of us? Is your life so busy that you can't take 2 hrs? What if I came to your door or called you on the phone in distress, would you also not have the time or would you FIND the time? Can't you start with this simple gesture?
[> Subject: Re: Road Home


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 14:57:49 09/16/02 Mon
Jeff, thank you for giving this film a chance. I'm glad you came away with something. Yes, Zhang Ziyi is incredibly beautiful.

Of course I could relate to this film in a number of ways, even though this story is set in China. The conservative and careful approach to courtship is the norm throughout Asia. Appropriate behavior demonstrates your concern for others and thoughtless acts lose "face". Although marriages are not arranged in Thailand, they are still very sensitive to differences in social class, as in the film. This was another reason why Aoy felt unworthy, coming from a poor family possessing little formal education.

Before I go somewhere, I try to learn as much as I can of the culture and this helps me to understand and properly interpret behavior I experience there. I cannot tell you how many times I witnessed western tourists misinterpreting the actions of Thais. Sometimes getting mad at someone who was trying to show respect or sometimes looking on with affection, unknowingly, while they were being badly insulted.

I believe my sensitivity and respect for the Thai culture opened them up to seeing me as someone more than a tourist. New experiences were opened to me. Asians are very sensitive about "face". I knew enough to avoid actions that would lose face for Aoy or her family. She began to look at me differently when she saw that I cared about things like this.

This film spoke to me. I was moved by the separation the characters experienced. The teacher having to return to the city. Her waiting. This made me think of every time I had to get on that plane and fly back to the U.S. I can vividly remember every single time I had to say goodbye to Aoy. How each time the circumstances were a bit different, but how the heartbreak was always the same. I remember giving Aoy a small gift and how she treasured it and showed me how she kept it with her always.

The most moving aspect of the film was the intense devotion for her loved one. I imagine some could look at it and coldly state that she was merely an obsessive personality, but when you experience feelings of love this powerful you understand the pain and longing wrought by separation. Your heart wants nothing but to be with your love once again, regardless of any difficulties.

Yes, there certainly are a few parallels with my experiences with Aoy, but this is not our story and it doesn't unlock any secrets to our relationship. This is a beautiful human story that most sensitive people, regardless of culture, would find moving.

On that note, let me say that I didn't specifically ask everyone to go out and see this to better understand me. Yes, I believe that seeing a film or reading a book that another person loves or is deeply moved by will help you to understand that person better. It points to where their heart is, what they value most and in some instances it can show you an instance very much like an important moment in their life. Jeff, I am grateful that you took the time to see this and can sense that there is a connection between this film and my life, but don't come down hard on the others. I post reviews all of the time and although I strongly recommend some I don't think I've asked you all to watch any specific films... yet.

I invite you all to see the films I recommend here, but I understand that my tastes are rather unusual and I am not offended if you do not care to partake. In the future I may ask you to watch a specific film. I will clearly state that request and I will try to explain why I want you to.
[> [> Subject: Re: Road Home


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 15:35:58 09/16/02 Mon
John, I don't think I'm getting down on anyone I'm just throwing some rhetorical questions for us all to consider. Just like you stated John, I make a point of focusing on 'what was John thinking? where was he (emotionally) when he watched that movie or read that book?' I believe I did the same thing with Curt and I believe I did with Ken, nothing comes to mind off hand. Speaking of chinese movies, I really enjoyed King of Masks. A great movie focusing on father/daughter relationships, of just wanting to belong and be loved and how best intentions can blow up in our faces. I felt endearment towards the movie. Now if any of you clowns recommend War & Peace or any Shakespearean plays, my foot will say hello to your arse.
Although I did enjoy a quirky movie/musical called Loves Labour Lost-an adaption of Shakespears play intermixed with popular broadway songs and dance. And seeing that guy who played SHAGGY, playing a role in this movie speaking shakespeare was odd.
I was taken aback by Kenneth Brannagh's??(sp-the dude most famous for his remake of Henry V) speech about love...oh hang on...that bastard John is on the phone....damn fucking timing all shot to hell!!!
[> [> [> Subject: Re: King of Masks


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 20:44:37 09/24/02 Tue
>Speaking of chinese movies, I really enjoyed
>King of Masks. A great movie focusing on
>father/daughter relationships, of just wanting to
>belong and be loved and how best intentions can blow
>up in our faces. I felt endearment towards the movie.

It's interesting that you mention this film since I rented it right after The Road Home. Did the previews on that feature prompt you to rent this? King of Masks is a fine film. I'm glad you liked it.
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Date Posted: 07:55:30 09/25/02 Wed
No, I watched King of Masks last month! It was a film I continued to pass up, yet I had an interest in seeing it. I finally picked it up and thought it was great. I just watched Empire of the sun....couldn't finish it..BORING!!! Watched Monster Ball - just to see what all the hubbub was all about....ouch! what a nasty girl! Reminds me of what of the ladies I met through the internet. heh, heh.
I also enjoyed Usual Suspects again. Just like the Dr. Mabuse character, I enjoyed the Keiser Soze enigmatic bad guy. I would like to introduce such a character for the Hogalums....a mastermind from our past yet we aren't quite sure who he was or what he looked like, yet he is out there but always at a safe distance from the heroes.

7 more days!!!! Kim is hoping to sell the car and buy a different one today. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping the BEST for her. This will mean she will have a car in her name only and I will no longer be haunted by wells fargo for her constant late payments. We also got our taxes mailed out on Sat. Another dark cloud gone away...I've ensured that refunds will come to my address so I can use to pay off debts we are both obligated to pay. I do believe 2003 will be a nice CLEAN year.
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Date Posted: 13:43:23 09/25/02 Wed
I saw Empire of the Sun in the theatres when it first opened. You are absolutely right. I thought it was one of the most appallingly boring and pointless films I'd ever seen. It seemed like self-indulgent reminiscing on the author's part. If you didn't know this, it's written by J.G.Ballard and based on his childhood experience. That's the same guy who wrote Crash, later to be filmed by David Cronenberg. Now, that was a movie!

I also saw Bertolucci's The Last Emperor in the theatres and didn't like that one either. A much better film in the same vein is Kundun, about the Chinese takeover of Tibet and the flight of the Dalai Lama.

Usual Suspect was good and everyone seems to love it, but something about it just isn't right. I liked it, but I find it lacking. It's so polished it seems more manipulative than authentic, if that makes any sense. Instead of glimpsing another world, I feel as though I've been watching something artificial and over-produced, like a self-conscious stage play. I would still recommend this film, though.

The Dr. Mabuse films are great. The earlies ones are rather primitive and strangely paced, but enjoyable none-the-less.

I haven't seen Monsters Ball yet.

Jeff, again, good luck wrapping things up with Kim. You're going to need it.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: movies


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:12:23 09/26/02 Thu
Last Emperor, I only watched because YMO's Riuchi Sakamoto is in the film. I also watched Ang Lee's Ice Storm...BORING!!! Nice camera work but story lacked. I did like one of the character's reflection of The Fantastic Four's family dynamics and how they play out in his own life.

Kim has signed papers and gets her Plymouth Van on Friday!!!! Thank GOD!!!! I have discovered Kim's final debt proposal....in a nutshell, IF I quick deed the house to her and relinquish my half of home equity, she will not expect me to pay her half of her students loans which equal 30,000.00 So on paper, whatever it due me, she will assume equal amount of OUR debt.
I believe I will do this....its just money. I can quickly recovered that from the radio show. She will feel good that she has succeeded in playing her final move on the chess board. She could still be in the house and not sell it...and I still wouldn't see any of the money..again, even if my half was 20,000.00- I can expect to receive that much after 5 months of being on the air. Big freakin' deal.
So, I believe her proposal will be something I can live with and be complete on Oct. 2nd.
Six more days...
Subject: Oh, C'mon guys lets start TALKING!!!


Author:
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Date Posted: 12:41:52 09/29/02 Sun
Guys, guys, guys!!! C'mon... a little life and action here ok? This is turning into the Hogalum Morgue. Hey Ken, can you create a new banner...maybe of undead Hogalums or oh, I know Marcel Marcoueau(sp)- The New Hogalum Mime Site...

What a wacky weekend. My car broke down on Friday, Sent info to Honda finance people so hopefully I can get something thing week. I've been seeing a woman in Sheboygan, an hour's drive north. We get together every other weekend, see a movie then jump into bed. Now that I'm close to D.Day 3 DAYS AND COUNTING, I contact a woman who just had the willies over me but wanted to wait til divorce is final. So now we are planning a date soon and see what happens. As I talking to #2 (Kathy), a new woman (Linda) connects and mentions she liked my yahoo profile. This was noon Saturday....while I watched "The Wild Bunch". It didn't take long to better understand Linda's emotional needs, so I offer her the opportunity to come to my place at 8:00pm and get a ride on the Telefunken U-47. (From Zappa's Joe's Garage) Sure as shit, she came over....I counted....8 orgasms the woman had. 5 of them occurred when I went down on her. By 11:30 she was falling asleep and verging on snoring she was so beat. (Time to Go!!!) Made sure she was safely in her car and awake and on her merry way. She ended up being heavier then the PIC SHE SENT ME..but thats ok.....She needed a good night of freak action!!!
The other day, I got an email from another woman...sveta...thought she was just a bad typist....so I respond asking for pic and being nice. NOW I find out from her new letter and pic...the woman is from Russia or Venus....depending on letter and outfit. I think she's trying to tell me she is a doctor...or maybe DOING the doctor..Russia....geeez. No, I'm not gonna fall for this one. The woman has a great body, but I'm believing for a second this chick is a fucking doctor...she looks like a hooker or part of one of those scam jobs to entice American nerds and techno-hermits. Mr. X isn't going to spend too much time with Sveta the black haired brain surgeon. If you guys want to read the letter let me know and I'll send it...On to other things...oh listening to Chumbawamba cool stuff. I hate that one song they played 100 times on the radio but their other stuff is cool.
Subject: Update and yahoo connection


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 21:13:59 09/27/02 Fri
Hey guys, would you Curt and Ken be interested in creating your own yahoo ID's and see if we can pick a date and time and hang out online and chat?
Update: 5 more days. Get this, I took Kim to dealership to sign papers. She suggestion I work with woman at Honda dealership who specializes in helping people rebuild credit. I told her I'll wait til after winter. The next morning/this morning....my car's transmission goes out...my car is toast. Thank God I now have a contact whom I called and gave her data and it sounds as if she can get secure me a loan for a car all of my own with reasonable payments. And it gets me into a better reliable car. My only concern is her asking for money upfront since I have only a few hundred dollars to give, we'll see. I don't even know if I'll give them the car I have now or if they'll write the load without and I can maybe sell on my own for a couple hundred.

Since I was out today with no car, I spent the time calling businesses playing the new role as salesperson for the show. I'm focusing on health care facilities and centers and waving the carrot of having someone from their staff to be on the show as a guest. I've also considered approaching pharmacutical(sp) companies, those specializing in certain antidepressants or drugs related to men's health. Hey VIAGRA....I'm also trying to connect with Men Warehouse and car dealerships. Any ideas on companies, let me know. Anyone interested in seeing my marketing packet let me know and Ill send it to you. (I keep asking Liz to look it over and offer me feedback but she hasn't done it. I'm also hoping she'll get moving and help with the sponsors otherwise I'm gonna need to find out what is the deal.) If anyone is interested in looking over my proposed Hogasite, let me know and I'll send ya my latest work. Not having a car again, I'm forced to spend time writing, planning and cleaning house.
I watched FireFly??? New western/scifi BORING!!!! Thats all I got....If noone responds, then I'll drop you a line once I get back from court on Wed.
[> Subject: Re: Update and yahoo connection


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Date Posted: 09:29:20 09/30/02 Mon
Good ideas all. My Yahoo ID is pjmagnetron. Good luck in court, and a belated congratulations on your radio gig. You have certainly earned it. More later, I promise.
[> [> Subject: Re: Update and yahoo connection


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Curt
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Date Posted: 17:03:28 09/30/02 Mon
My Yahoo ID is cdanhauser.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Update and yahoo connection


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Jeff
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Date Posted: 22:09:11 09/30/02 Mon
Alright you monkey boys.....I have you all on my Yahoo Messenger. Well, no go on the car. Credit sucks to soon. One institution wanted a co signor...I haven't had one of those since I was 19....I'll take the freakin bus til ManTalk gets moving, then I can get something after a month or so...so its back to using the bus. Time is clicking...my attorney talked with Kim's attorney and seems like most of the issues can be worked out. Kim, the control mongol, is still insisting on sole custody but BOTH attorneys agree this is a joint custody case and no reason for such an extreme....hopefully he can convince Kim to back off and get this done right. So, guys, how about meeting online either Tues night or some other night this week.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Update and yahoo connection


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Date Posted: 12:22:17 10/01/02 Tue
So, guys, how about meeting
>online either Tues night or some other night this week.

Maybe. How do we meet? I've never done the Yahoo Messenger thing.
And what time Tuesday night? There are three time zones involved, you know.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Update and yahoo connection


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Jeff
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Date Posted: 14:02:01 10/01/02 Tue
Once you connect/activate your yahoo messenger, you'll have a screen that displays all your 'friends'. You are alerted when they connect to yahoo messenger. From there we can either 1) talk to each other or 2) create a room for us all to meet and chat!
I'll be home. I believe I am 2 hrs later in AZ and 1 hour later in Ca.

By the time we connect, John should just about be waking up :)
[> Subject: Re: Update and yahoo connection


Author:
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Date Posted: 10:14:56 10/02/02 Wed
>Hey guys, would you Curt and Ken be interested in
>creating your own yahoo ID's and see if we can pick a
>date and time and hang out online and chat?

Okay, I missed most of this thread and Tuesday obviously didn't happen. I'm pjmagnetron and Curt is cdanhauser, but I'm not positive about Jeff (jnerone?) and John (voyageur?). Are these right? Reschedule?
[> [> Subject: Re: Update and yahoo connection


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John
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Date Posted: 18:16:23 10/02/02 Wed
My Yahoo ID is the same as my Yahoo email:
voyageur23
[> [> Subject: Re: Update and yahoo connection


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 19:14:22 10/02/02 Wed
I on as ASS-SPANKER-KINGFUCKER damn....ok fine...I'm NOT...BUT I COULD BE!!!!!
I'm listed as
"jnerone@prodigy.net" it was a mess up when prodigy merged with yahoo....but thats what it is. John is listed as "voyageur23"
hehehe....Have you guys seen that new commerical from PCS SPrint, where employees at dental office are pretending they know kung fu....that is SO me....its so funny!!!
Ok, the Divorce is FINAL. I can NOW move forward and make soem serious shit happen. Me and the kids went to the new Apple store at the mall...WOW....I'm hooked. Besides when Inner Compass gets started, the whole setup will be mac environment.....so I hope to 'hook up' with these guys and finally get some numbers of hardware/software and talk with manager about install services, maintanence and contractor for cabling.
Well, I'll now spend the next two days planning and scheming. I am suppose to have the kids this weekend, but without a car, that may be difficult. So, if you guys can narrow a time down...lets chat.
Subject: Checking in, not checking out


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Date Posted: 10:01:00 10/02/02 Wed
Hey guys,

I wanted to drop you all a quick note because I have been scarce lately and I replied to an email from Jeff recently, telling him about my recent hospital visit, and I thought you might be concerned.

First of all, I am fine. I am not what you would call a perfect specimen, but by all accounts I should live to a ripe old age.

Last Sunday, I began having severe chest pains, which scared the piss out of me. I have not had a checkup in twenty years because I am a stupid fuck, and my ignorance of my own state of health fed into my fears about my chest pains, and next thing you know, I was having a full-fledged panic attack, which I am told is remarkably similar to a heart attack.

I went to the emergency room and they told me I am fat and that I should quit smoking and drinking fifty pots of coffee every day. They also prescribed an anti-anxiety medication, a prescription which I have not had filled.

That's pretty much the long and the short of it. Ironically, I have recently started a moderate exercise regime, cut back on my coffee intake, and I was down to less than ten smokes a day. I intend to continue with that program.

They still don't know what caused the chest pains in the first place, but I have recently deduced that it was actually a simple muscle spasm/cramping caused by my continuous (allergic) sneezing. I feel fine now. Don't worry. And I'll write more soon.
[> Subject: Re: Checking in, not checking out


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Date Posted: 14:10:03 10/02/02 Wed
Ken, I'm glad to hear that it was nothing and that you are looking into a health lifestyle.
I don't remember you being fat the last time I saw you. Was the doctor using hyperbole?
[> [> Subject: Re: Checking in, not checking out


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Date Posted: 18:14:54 10/02/02 Wed
>I don't remember you being fat the last time I saw
>you. Was the doctor using hyperbole?

No, I remember Ken being really, really fat. Fat, fat, fat! And I mean FAT! Ken has his own zip code. When Ken sits around the house... oh, forget it. Seriously, I suspect that Ken was the one using hyperbole. We're all old farts now and we can all shed a few pounds, but no, Ken's definitely not fat. Wait, I mean Ken's not phat! But he is a real lard ass. ;-)

Ken, I'm glad you're okay. Take good care of yourself. Personally, I perscribe a short break. A vacation of sorts, like a trip to Tucson. Now get your ass down here before I move away to some far off land.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Checking in, not checking out


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Date Posted: 19:37:10 10/02/02 Wed
Maybe Ken has a mass issue and not fat. Ken exactly WHAT was your doctor looking at when you mentioned the weight? Maybe he was looking at your crotch and with a smirk on his face he remarked you needed to get loose with all that weight?
Fat, what the fuck? Ken has been skinny for years! Ken, my years of medical training from reading Dr.Strange comics and the adventures of Dr. Bruce Banner......If its a physical issue...a lot of pain and hard to breath...could be the result of a viral infection which can cause chest-wall seizures. These can be very painful...and hard to breathe...usually muscle relaxants work. But they can reoccur. Now IF its the result of a panic attack...that is going to involve some kind of work...I believe John will support this. The panic is caused by some underlying fear and sense of out of control...something....its not because of the coffee, the smokes and the constant masterbating....oh, wait...thats my issue....sorry...those things may have been the final triggers but I'm sure theres some underlying shit laying there Ken that you ought to look into....otherwise, 6-9 months later...it'll happen again. I say...get into a doctor and start learning about yourself. You also state you haven't filled your perscription. Why not? So, your not taking the meds the dr. thinks you should start on and not seeing a doctor and plan on working it all out yourself.....uh, that would be like me announcing out of the clear blue that I'm going to broadcast my own radio show.....hey....wait a second.........
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Checking in, not checking out


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Date Posted: 18:01:29 10/03/02 Thu
>Fat, what the fuck? Ken has been skinny for years!

I don't own a scale, and I estimated my weight at 180 lbs when they were quizzing me in the ER. The triage nurse shook her head and made me stand on a scale. Much to my surprise, tubby old Ken is tipping the scales at a portly 208. I don't think this is a gain, though; my clothes aren't getting tighter, at any rate. But no, the doctor didn't say I was fat (or phat, for that matter). He said I need more exercise, though, and I concur heartily. These 12oz curls I'm doing aren't quite what the doctor ordered.

>If its a physical issue...a lot of pain
>and hard to breath...could be the result of a viral
>infection which can cause chest-wall seizures. These
>can be very painful

I have been sneezing quite a lot and I think I strained some of those muscles.

>Now IF
>its the result of a panic attack...that is going to
>involve some kind of work

I think I got panicked because I thought I was having a heart attack.

>those things may have been the final
>triggers but I'm sure theres some underlying shit
>laying there Ken that you ought to look
>into....otherwise, 6-9 months later...it'll happen
>again.

Oh ye of little faith...

>I say...get into a doctor and start learning
>about yourself. You also state you haven't filled your
>perscription. Why not? So, your not taking the meds
>the dr. thinks you should start on and not seeing a
>doctor and plan on working it all out yourself.

I don't care to take mood altering drugs if it can be avoided. If I am going to analyze myself, it would be helpful if I were present, don't you agree?

>that would be like me announcing out of the clear blue
>that I'm going to broadcast my own radio
>show.

Don't be ridiculous, Jeff! You would never do something so stupid.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Checking in, not checking out


Author:
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Date Posted: 20:29:51 10/03/02 Thu
>Much to my surprise, tubby old Ken is tipping the scales at a portly 208.

Good Lord Ken, you fat fuck!!! I am down to 220....thats just 12 more then you!!! 2 more months of mac&cheese and I won't be the biggest guy in the group....although I will still have the biggest dick!!

Ok, Ken....I'll let you 'do your thang' but if I hear you are found hiding under a desk at work sucking your thumb... well then maybe its time to get some exercise.

By the way I've discovered from attorney it'll cost 350 bucks to become incorporated.....bad news it'll cost 2-7k to get The ManTalk Show trademarked AND it can take a year before its complete....so NO trademarking.
Subject: Hope fate is looking my way


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 20:37:20 10/08/02 Tue
Good news and bad news:
Bad news - Honda and Ford aren't able to get me financing of newer car....so I guess its best NOT to have a car payment at this time. Until I get money to fix car, I'll be taking the bus again.

Good news - The woman I screwed last weekend, she is an executive secretary and is giving me some insight regarding admin. assist duties for Inner Compass. She has also talked to a friend of hers about Inner Compass who is an investment banker. He wants to talk with me about the business venture. He is very interested in the card business. I'll drop him a line tomorrow and arrange a lunch....hope it helps.
Subject: Need resources on Japanese culture


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 15:37:58 10/01/02 Tue
Guys, any links or books that can give me insight on Japanese modern male culture. Not generaliities...specifics. What they strive for? Expectations, social graces, work ethics, corp. politics, family responsibilities etc.

I know some companies were creating emotional outlets for their corporate men whose health were failing due to repressed feelings and unable to contain daily stress. Executives were committing suicide or becoming clinically depressed due to corporate expectations. Some companies are trying to turn this around. I'd like to know more about the lifestyle of Japanese business men in the 21st century. Any info or links to articles will be appreciated.
[> Subject: Re: Need resources on Japanese culture


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john
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Date Posted: 01:57:50 10/06/02 Sun
Is this personal interest? I can recommend some books and answer general questions for you, but if you need specific answers or if this is for something you're writing or planning on discussing on air then I highly recommend that you find a few Japanese men to help you.

Remember that when you're discussing culture you are by nature working in generalities. Even though Japan is quite homogeneous and the group is valued over the individual, in the end you are still talking about the behaviour of individuals.

Let me know a little more of what you are looking for and how you will use the information.
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Date Posted: 14:09:13 10/06/02 Sun
Strictly to infiltrate John. Seriously, I'd like to do some initial personal study, then either use it on the show or maybe open up a discussion with organizations in Japan. I remember seeing on TV, how some companies are creating anger rooms for their executives. To allow them to express their anger and frustration rather then repress it, they are allowed to use rooms to smash the shit out of everything. Its still not the healthiest, but the Japanese are seeing the value of emotional expression since their executives were killing themselves or having nervous breakdowns. This was a few years ago, I'd like to know what is going on today AND what companies are doing. In time it would be neat to discuss or create motivational presentations on the subject to japanese corporations. Plus it would be nice to spend time there, hang out with Geisha women and get laid.
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Date Posted: 11:55:42 10/10/02 Thu
Jeff, try these links:

http://www.nancho.net/kipower/kisoma.html
http://www.hhs.se/eijs/anomaly/JExercis.htm
http://inic.utexas.edu/asnic/countries/japan/japancultndsociety.html
http://www.intercultural-help.com/articles.htm
http://www.time.com/time/asia/asiabuzz/2000/10/20/
Subject: What's the dilly, yo?


Author:
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Date Posted: 11:32:52 10/10/02 Thu
Hi guys,

I got a day off and so I am checking in again. What is going on with everyone?

John -- What is the status with you and Aoy? Are you still communicating? Has she come to any realizations about her mother? I assume work has picked back up again. Have you repaired your finances?

Jeff -- What is the status with you and Kim? Are you still married? How much longer until you have a custody arrangement?

Curt -- What is the status with you and Teresa? Just kidding! How the hell are you? What are you doing with yourself?

I am pretty much back on an even keel. Writing a bit more. Also, since I am webmastering my mom's website, I am having quite a lot of fun with that, learning a bit of CGI, gew-gaws like autoresponders, server-side includes, and mastering some of the ins and outs of spiders, meta tags, and web promotion.

I am considering registering hogalum.org if no one has any objection to that. I want to put Magnetron there, and I can create a new message board there, too. I have learned enough about CGI to do damn near anything (as long as someone else has written the script for me).

By the way, Curt, might I recommend you check out Soupermail. It is an incredibly powerful free Perl script available at soupermail.sourceforge.net. It's called Soupermail, but it really is an all-purpose form processor. It's all driven by templates and configuration files, and it is amazingly flexible. You can create a quiz, build a mailing list, even produce a guestbook/discussion board that converts carriage returns to <BR> tags and puts the most recent post at the top.

Anyway, I guess there will be no Hogalumpalooza 2002, but howzabout a voice vote on Hogalumpalooza 2003?

And, I am all for a Virtual HogaChat via Instant Messenger. Whatever became of that idea? What's a good night for everyone?

Réspondez, si'l vous plaît!
[> Subject: Re: What's the dilly, yo?


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Date Posted: 15:21:50 10/10/02 Thu
Ken - Kim and I are officially divorced. I did have to sign off and allow Kim(The devil)to have full custody. So, the deed is done. I have 117.00 in my savings so I'm gonna go to Circuit City and buy me a Canon S330 color Printer - I desperately need one for printing marketing packet ManTalk. I am VERY MUCH interested in Hogapalooza 2003. Actually next year will be easier for me since ONE I don't need permission:At least I think I don't.....I am not quite sure...Something in my mind is telling me I should but I know I don't need...aarrghhh!!!...the pain...must stop thinking about not following voices orders...acck!
I will also have more debt paid off from our last two years tax refunds coming to ME to pay for OUR debt.

What else, what else....Oh, so what are we looking at? Are we gonna try a new place? Where and what month? Shall we try for March of 2003????
[> [> Subject: Re: What's the dilly, yo?


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Date Posted: 20:53:50 10/10/02 Thu
By the way, can anyone recommend a good resource book on symbols. I mean symbols like man, woman, ecological, chemistry, alchemy, everything....I want to explore a combination of several symbols...male symbol and something else....I checked out one book but the book went into explanations but didn't disclose the actual symbol...bad book. It would be great to find ONE book that had it ALL. Let me know if you guys know of a good source.
[> [> [> Subject: A Symbol Assignment


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Date Posted: 23:57:50 10/10/02 Thu
Jeff,

You really need to google more often

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/images_s.html
http://www.symbols.com/
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0836925793/
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A Symbol Assignment


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Date Posted: 08:02:31 10/11/02 Fri
Hey Ken, any chance you can look over the hogasite I sent you. I'd like some feedback....not so much of the story itself...I've clean some of it since I sent you but the rest of the layout....

Also, I'm starting to work on The ManTalk Show website...I don't know where I'm going with it, but at least I'm getting it started and ready to launch.
[> [> Subject: Re: What's the dilly, yo?


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Date Posted: 00:04:16 10/11/02 Fri
>Ken - Kim and I are officially divorced.

Coolness!

>I did have to
>sign off and allow Kim(The devil)to have full custody.

That is terrible, Jeff. I am so sorry.

>I have 117.00 in my savings so
>I'm gonna go to Circuit City and buy me a Canon S330
>color Printer - I desperately need one for printing
>marketing packet ManTalk.

Why not take email to Kinko's and have them print for you?

>I am VERY MUCH interested in
>Hogapalooza 2003. Actually next year will be easier
>for me since ONE I don't need permission

Hold on just a second, pal. I never said you were invited.

>I will also have more debt paid off from our last two
>years tax refunds coming to ME to pay for OUR debt.

More coolness!

>Are we gonna try a new place? Where and what month?
>Shall we try for March of 2003????

I am open. I still like Vegas.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: What's the dilly, yo?


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Date Posted: 08:31:39 10/11/02 Fri
>>I did have to
>>sign off and allow Kim(The devil)to have full custody.
>
>That is terrible, Jeff. I am so sorry.

Yes, its unfortunate but oddly enough Kim is being more reasonable and civil. Which is what I suspected would happen. Now that she has won the battle, she is back in her comfort zone of being in control. Therefore her highness can sit back and rule with a clear head. So, if the battle was still raging, the interaction between us would continue to be full of contempt and misery. My move may have actually made life easier for me and the kids which is most important...that I see them rather then keep fighting with Kim.


>Why not take email to Kinko's and have them print for
>you?
Color printing costs 1.00 a sheet. I have a lot to print from business cards to place in folder, and cover letter. Plus I have to pay computer time to print from file. I print 20-30 sheets, hell I've already paid for 1/3 of the printer...plus I will be using for Inner Compass work.


>>I am VERY MUCH interested in
>>Hogapalooza 2003. Actually next year will be easier
>>for me since ONE I don't need permission
>
>Hold on just a second, pal. I never said you were
>invited.

Oh, please...we all know how beautiful things went without the beloved Jeff. Afterall, who else is gonna laugh at Curt's one liners? Who else Ken, is gonna want to sit outside and have a good cigar? Who else is willing to lay in the same bed and listen to your damn jokes at 4 in the morning? Who else is gonna get irritated at John's behavior or his inability to make a final decision on WHAT to do or WHERE to go? (kidding) :)

>I am open. I still like Vegas.

I'm willing to go as well. So men, are we gonna pick a month? Will it be March or do we wait to May?

Ken, you didn't answer me awhile back about the emoticons or having a more creative outlet...like colored text...what can you do damnit?
Subject: sending out the bat-signal


Author:
Commissioner Gordon
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Date Posted: 14:10:44 10/11/02 Fri
You guys decide when you want to hook up. I tend to be more flexible and adaptable with you boneheads, so someone step up and coordinate the online get together.
[> Subject: Re: sending out the bat-signal


Author:
Chief O'Hara
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Date Posted: 03:46:55 10/12/02 Sat
Coordinate the what to who? Oh lord, what'll we do. Where's the Batman when we need him?
[> Subject: Re: sending out the bat-signal


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 20:56:14 10/12/02 Sat
>You guys decide when you want to hook up. I tend to be
>more flexible and adaptable with you boneheads, so
>someone step up and coordinate the online get together.

I'm available every evening after 9:00pm MST, and sometimes earlier. Curt, John and I are all on the same time, and Jeff is two hours ahead, until Daylight Savings Time ends in a couple weeks. Then Curt will be one hour behind John and me, and Jeff will be one hour ahead (no DST in AZ).

If evenings work, then let's everyone chime in!
[> [> Subject: Re: sending out the bat-signal


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 22:04:13 10/12/02 Sat
I try to get to bed at 10pm CST UNLESS I get a call from rome, or another woman is trying to bone me.
I'm usually online during this time, only once did John show up on yahoo messenger.
So, if you men can agree on a time and a day, then I'll be there.
Subject: calling all tech wizards


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 15:11:40 10/13/02 Sun
Guys I need help. I tried looking online for third party software and haven't found it. Heres the situation.
I just bought a new Canon S330 color printer. I have discovered that the software included supports Win98/2000/ME/XP.
My laptop uses Win NT. I"ll try contacting Canon on monday, but right now...I can't find a printer driver. CURSES!!!!

If all sucks, I'll have to return and wait and save more money. I thought 100.00 printer would be a good buy but didn't account for the fucking NT version!!!!

Can you guys help?
[> Subject: Re: calling all tech wizards


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:12:24 10/16/02 Wed
Disregard the above request. I discovered that the model of printer I bought uses a USB connection. Win NT does not support this therefore there aren't any drivers out there...I want back to Best Buy and exchanged it for an HP printer instead. It works great. Got my folder labels printed with logo. This morning, went to kinkos to make color copies of radio stations data sheets. I'll finish printing my sheets and work on business cards. I created cards on MS Publisher, but I can't figure out how to print onto business card AVERY sheets. I tried copying and transferring onto a MS Word table and adjust...BUT when I transfer, the MALE SYMBOL I use, changes to a question mark. I can't get the bastard to change. So I'm stuck with this. I'll try working with MS Word on business card format. Anyone have a suggestions, let me know. Oh, by the way, Ken is having PC problems again.
Subject: Test of Emergency Hogalum Broadcasting System


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 10:50:37 10/24/02 Thu
Is everybody waiting for me to post, or has there been a wholesale abandonment of yet another
message board, or has there been a PC-only virus epidemic that swept Phoenix, Tucson and Milwaukee,
or has our inability to get together in person finally spread to cyber get togethers as well, or what?
[> Subject: Re: Test of Emergency Hogalum Broadcasting System


Author:
Dr. Jeff
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Date Posted: 15:20:37 10/24/02 Thu
I could be a judgemental prick and say its laziness. I don't know what to tell ya Curt, I got tired of checking the site every morning and see no additional messages then the last set I've written. Maybe others are so busy doin' their own shit that they don't have time.
Gosh, I miss the ol'days when I'd become the emotional bully and get men in a tizzy and the next thing ya know there's some serious exchanges goin' on. Since I took an oath of being a good boy and not upsettin' the boat, it seems as if the sites slowly become stagnant and lifeless. I miss dishing out some tough love.
Now watch, after this message, they'll be a good three to four days before any further messages are posted. I've decided to take a more reactive role now. I'll respond but I don't plan to initiate a conversation.
[> [> Subject: Re: Test of Emergency Hogalum Broadcasting System


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 16:54:09 10/24/02 Thu
Jeff, I'll be home all weekend including Friday, and the wife and kids will be out of town.
How 'bout I give you a call and we jaw this weekend? E-mail me with your schedule and
latest phone number.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Test of Emergency Hogalum Broadcasting System


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 19:41:38 10/24/02 Thu
I've got kids for half a day tomorrow while the Iron Maiden is at some kind of workshop.(I believe she is learning more effecient ways of sucking the life out of middle age men.) I'll be home by 1:00pm. I'll be on and off the phone, calling for sponsors for the show. I might go with the kids to the zoo for trick or treating. Some new thing....kids can get some great candy if they can get it from the tiger and bear habitats.
I'll be home after 9:30pm tomorrow night.I'll be home all day and night on Saturday.
I'll be home Sunday afternoon after 2:00pm...we have Halloween this sunday...since the 31 is on a weekday.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Test of Emergency Hogalum Broadcasting System


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 15:06:33 10/25/02 Fri
Cool. Is your phone number still something like: (X14) 46X-X1X6?
I X'd out some numbers so no one coming across this board bothers you.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Test of Emergency Hogalum Broadcasting System


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 16:53:15 10/25/02 Fri
Oh, I forgot. the number is 414-778-0543. Destroy the old number. If you call it, Kim sends a bolt of flesh searing energy through the lines.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Test of Emergency Hogalum Broadcasting System


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 17:29:48 10/25/02 Fri
Hey, don't be surprised if the answering machine kicks in, I may be screening my calls in case the Iron Maiden decides to call on some meaningless BS. If I'm there, I will pick up right away....If not...then I"m taking a shit :)
[> [> Subject: Had this been a real emergency...


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 13:14:27 10/27/02 Sun
I'm back. Just recently I was hit by a virus that wiped out one of my 2 hard drives. I got my system back online today. Before that I've been working double shifts and side jobs like crazy, but Jeff knows that because we've been writing. :-/ Today I'm starting to pack up for my move to a new apartment next week. I'll keep the same phone number and I'll send out my mailing address to you all when I get it. So lately, John = busy, but not too busy to check in here when I can and write something.

Ken has reestablished contact after his hospital visit, mentioning when he was available for an online meeting but no one responded to him. I imagine that he's feeling ignored.

Curt, I'm happy to see you posting here. Other than asking why we aren't posting, can you contribute a bit? How are you? What are you doing lately? Are you interested in the instant messaging meetings? If you're fading away and not posting and something happens simultaneously to Ken and me, and Jeff decides to stop posting until he see something, then yes, this place is going to dry up. There are only 4 of us. This is kind of like a tennis game of doubles where during the game one person bends over to tie his shoe laces, a second walks off the court without warning to get a drink, the third stops to answer a cell phone and the fourth stands around waving his racket furiously wondering why the ball isn't being returned. :-)

I'm also happy that Jeff has not thrown a wrench in the works just to get a response. That's the kind of thing that will keep me away.
Subject: Stay out of porn sites fellas


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:02:41 10/28/02 Mon
Y'know...its seems like only John and Ken are the only two who have continued virus issues....especially john...maybe you guys should stay away from all the porn sites. Ken has disappeared again. I think he said he was having more PC problems. Ken, I want more emoticons!!!!
[> Subject: we want more porn


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 12:19:00 10/28/02 Mon
This week's attack was my only setback from a virus, ever. Get your facts straight, Jeff.
Subject: A quick update on Dave


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 10:56:00 11/01/02 Fri
I've been emailing with Dave and discovered his Dad as died this year. He mentioned he is doing ok. He had time to spend with his dad before and when he died, so he feels confident that there was closure for him. Just thought I'd let you guys knows. He's still at dij1@aol.com
Subject: Inner Compass update


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 20:19:14 11/04/02 Mon
No takers yet for the radio show BUT the good news is people are taking me seriously and asking to see the media kit. REI sports business along with Allen Edmonds shoes have asked rather then just tell me to piss off. The really COOL news is, I've received my EIN from the IRS. Also known as the Fed ID tax number...so now I am a semi-legit business. I'm waiting to hear from bank on business accts with min. to deposit. I'll have to sacrifice 100.00 to go towards the company. I've asked my mom to help....as much as I hated to...for the funds to help me become incorporated. Oh, and I have a man from work who has committed to being an advisor for Inner Compass. He is an Assist. Vice-President for M&I Support Services, has rceived the highest award from the M&I corporation and some other little goodies...saving money, team building..blah, blah, blah. I've included him and a little bio of him onto my business plan. So, as I begin to build the advisory board or 'founders team', Inner Compass can look more impressive to future investors. Ok, enough of me...I'm getting tired and the Packers are winning.
Subject: New Christian based hero team!


Author:
Jeff - (man with incredible vision and creative prowess)
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Date Posted: 13:28:22 11/01/02 Fri
Thought I would share an idea I came up last month. Another brilliant project brought to you by ME.

A secret society of holy men have gathered and preserved DNA from those who had a special relationship with the Lord Almighty. Now, after a millennium of waiting, this most precious DNA along with genetically enhanced attributes only the most advanced technology can produce, a fighting team has arrived to save the world from total annihilation.


THE FORCE OF GOD



Solomon = Wisdom and enhanced mental powers. Genius-Theorist-Scientist. Able to call upon Telekenetic Powers when touched with the grace of God.

Sampson = Super Strength and enhanced mass – Able to lift 2 tons. Has genetically enhanced skin making him almost bulletproof. Becomes invulnerable and indestructible when touched with the grace of God.

Jesus = Leader of group and mortal Son of God. Healer and forgiver. God-like powers are triggered when confronted with any one of the legions of hell.

Joan of Arc = Warrior and marksman. Able to call forth flaming sword of righteousness. Becomes covered with genetically enhanced bio-armor when touched with the grace of God.

St. Francis = Animal Trainer & Beast-Master. Able to communicate telepathically with all mammals. Calls upon the creatures of the earth to help when touched with the grace of God. His familiar, the white dove of peace ever ready to fly messages to team when in distress or channel Holy Spirit in extreme situations.

Jonah = Merman and water elemental. Can breath on land and water. Able to travel at fantastic speeds on and under water due to enhanced webbing on hands and feet. Can communicate telepathically with all forms of oceanic creatures. Able to manipulate water into various forms similar to Green Lantern when touched with the grace of God.

When called on assignment, Jesus activates his sight of holiness, which produces holographic beams of light from his eyes, which allows God to talk to them directly. (Similar to Charlie's Angels & Mission Impossible. God appears in many mystical symbols.) Soon the holographic images act as a projector as God or one of his Archangels relates important information, which the team will need for their new assignment.
[> Subject: Re: New Christian based hero team!


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 11:00:38 11/09/02 Sat
Jeff, I think some guy by the name of Francis Ford Neropala already beat you to the punch on this one, back in July. Bastard must be spying on you.
[> [> Subject: Re: New Christian based hero team!


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:12:05 11/10/02 Sun
Did I already send that off to you guys? I couldn't remember...or I didn't hear back from anyone!
Man, wouldn't such a story just piss off alot of people?
I think it would be a funny radio show.

Oh, Jesus would be changed to "New Jesus". I thought of Jesus 2000...but its too late for that.

HEY.....what if New Jesus....is actually an android!!! oh shit that would really piss off people.

I just love the idea of Jesus using his info-vision to broadcast hollographic messages from Heaven. hehehe
Subject: A Preponderance of Systems are "GO"


Author:
Ken "Bill Gates Must Die" Foster
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Date Posted: 10:26:48 11/09/02 Sat
Okey Dokey, I am back online. Readers' Digest version: I had a bad W98 installation ever since that virus required me to wipe and start anew. Things were steadily going down hill. Borrowed a copy of W98 from a friend at work, and my CD-ROM crashed with 20 minutes left to go. Bought a new CD-ROM and (amazingly) the Windows reinstallation *picked up where it left off* and reinstalled flawlessly. There are still some minor quirks (it's still Windows, after all) but I am back in the saddle again. Woo hoo!
[> Subject: Re: A Preponderance of Systems are "GO"


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:26:23 11/10/02 Sun
Ken, have you considered just switching over to a Mac?
Subject: when where how


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 04:12:56 10/30/02 Wed
Does anyone have a proposal for the date of the next reunion? It sounds like we're all agreeing on Vegas again, right? How about the end of April? Maybe some of us might be fortunate enough to get a little tax refund we can steer toward the trip.
[> Subject: zzzzzzzzzz did you say somethin'?zzzzzzzzzzzzz


Author:
jeff
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Date Posted: 16:49:13 10/30/02 Wed
Uh, get your email straight. HAHAHA I JUST watched this new SONY commercial showing a son and dad team working together on PC converting video to burn DVDs. Its SO funny!!!! Check it out if you can.

Ok, back to business....John I've sent previous email asking when to meet. I threw out a month of March or May.

No one responded at all. No feedback so I blew it off. We might have to wait til summer cause the hotel rates will flare up in the spring.
[> [> Subject: go back to sleep


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 17:00:48 10/30/02 Wed
I guess you're right about the rates, as far as Vegas goes. The best time there will be either June or August.

Any suggestions on alternative locations or dates?
[> [> [> Subject: Oh NO! Not Again...Oh NO! Not Again...Oh NO! Not Again...


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 13:57:54 10/31/02 Thu
We've been through this whole process for the last 4 years! No one is gonna pick a place or time. No one is gonna have time to look for a place, nor money to spend for something different. Since money is 85% of the influence to where we go and what we do...lets NOT get into alternatives. I don't plan or researching...nor is anyone else gonna do it.
If it ain't gonna be in Phx. then its gonna be in Vegas. Ya can't narrow down a date NOW cause we are still in 2002 and no one knows nor can they plan time away for 2003, UNTIL it IS 2003. Then men can start asking for time off.
Plus we have plenty of time to not respond, forget each other, not email and hibernate for the next 5 months....which I suspect to happen...starting....riiiight nooow.
We are best to ride it out til March THEN start planning....unless someone gets a wild hair up his ass and takes the initiative for something special or different....and cheap.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Oh NO! Not Again


Author:
Kenneth the Decisive
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Date Posted: 11:12:15 11/09/02 Sat
>No one is gonna pick a place or time.

Let's pencil in the second week of August 2003, Las Vegas, Nevada.

>No one is
>gonna have time to look for a place, nor money to
>spend for something different.

That's not necessarily so, but we can say Vegas in August is Plan A.

>Since money is 85% of
>the influence to where we go and what we do...lets NOT
>get into alternatives. I don't plan or
>researching...nor is anyone else gonna do it.

I agree that we should have our Plan A in place before debating any Plan B options.

>Ya can't narrow down a date NOW cause we are
>still in 2002 and no one knows nor can they plan time
>away for 2003, UNTIL it IS 2003.

I can ask for time off at any time, for any time.

>Plus we have plenty of time to not respond, forget
>each other, not email and hibernate for the next 5
>months....which I suspect to
>happen...starting....riiiight nooow.

That's the spirit!

>We are best to ride it out til March THEN start
>planning....unless someone gets a wild hair up his ass
>and takes the initiative for something special or
>different....and cheap.

I do have this unexplained itch... Can I get back to you?
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Thank you


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 18:00:04 11/09/02 Sat
Okay, I have the second week of August reserved for our next trip to Vegas. I'm flexible, so if we need to move that date up or back a bit that's no problem.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Thank you


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 18:47:45 11/09/02 Sat
>Okay, I have the second week of August reserved for
>our next trip to Vegas. I'm flexible, so if we need to
>move that date up or back a bit that's no problem.

Cool!

All right, Jeff! Are you game, too, or has that kilt turned you into a dithering girlie man?

Curt? Is this do-able for you as well?
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Thank you


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:03:00 11/10/02 Sun
Second week of August...piece of cake mutha fuckas...

**I just discovered that my flight credit worth 400.00!! expired back in Aug of 2002 :(
I'm gonna send a letter and give them a sad story and hope they'll extend it for 2003. Its sad but I couldn't have used it.**

I'll be there in Aug.

I just received 1,600.00 back from last two years of tax refunds. I can't use it for ME, but the funds will be used to pay off MOST of debt between Kim and I. I'm feeling good that I GOT the funds and can do the right thing. Kim wants me to split the money so she can do what she wants.(She's late of mtg. and wants to use money....but I'm not paying for her irresponsibility.) She got all pissed and told me I need to contact her attorney...thats fine...she can keep racking up attorney fees for herself. I just wrote and mailed a letter to her attorney telling him what I'm doing whether they like it or not.
So whats the point: I don't have one....I'm just glad you bastards are finally contributing to this site. I'm just rambling.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Talking points


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 19:19:27 11/10/02 Sun
>Second week of August...piece of cake mutha fuckas...

Saints be praised!

>**I just discovered that my flight credit worth
>400.00!! expired back in Aug of 2002 :(

Suck-o-rama!

>So whats the point: I don't have one....

So, are you saying that you don't have a point or that you do have a point and your point is that you don't have a point?

>I'm just rambling

Ah, yes. I know the feeling well.
Subject: A poll-who feels comfortable enough


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 19:33:17 11/02/02 Sat
Check out this website. I saw something on PBS about the guy who designed these.

http://www.utilikilts.com/

If we are able to meet in the summer of 2003, I promise to purchase a kilt and wear it. I think they are cool and in fact emailed to them to PLEASE be a sponsor for the radio show. I hope they will agree how they can see the relation as many american men aren't gonna feel comfortable wearing a kilt cause of insecurities in their own manhood. What say you? Would you be able to wear and walk around in one without feeling ashamed or embarrassed?
[> Subject: master of disguise


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 00:17:23 11/04/02 Mon
I wouldn't have a problem wearing a traditional Scottish kilt in an apropriate setting (highland games, a Scot's wedding, a multicultural event, etc.), but I wouldn't just wear one around town for the same reason I wouldn't wear a tuxedo around town. Also, I would not be caught dead in one of those crazy kilts featured on that website. They just look so silly to me.

When the brother of my friend Cindy was married he had a piper play and the entire wedding party wore kilts, but then they are all decended from Scots and still maintain connections with their ancestral clan. They're always involved in the annual highland games here.

I have a few Arabic outfits my friend Mohammed brought me. They're very comfortable and I wear them around the house in the Summer, but I'd never wear them outside. Especially considering the current political climate.

I brought a Japanese yukata in Narita. It's a traditional robe for informal settings, usually around home. Extremely comfortable and looks great. Makes me feel like a Samurai. :-)
[> Subject: Re: A poll-who feels comfortable enough


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 10:56:55 11/09/02 Sat
Jeff, I am afraid that those kilts fall into a category along with bowties, baseball caps, suspenders, plaid flannel shirts, earrings, and coveralls, i.e., things I would never wear just because they don't suit my personality.

>many american men aren't
>gonna feel comfortable wearing a kilt cause of
>insecurities in their own manhood.

Perhaps, but the utilikilt is remarkably similar to those baggy shorts that the illiterate thugs in my neighborhood wear every day. Many of them have earrings as well, but they certainly aren't trying to reveal their feminine side.

>What say you? Would
>you be able to wear and walk around in one without
>feeling ashamed or embarrassed?

No, I would feel ashamed and embarrased because I would look like a dork.

To violate social customs is to open one's self to ridicule, which I will gladly do for something I feel strongly about, but I have no desire to make a social statement about the manliness of kilts. And, if all four of us walked around wearing kilts, we would be making the following non-verbal social statement:

"We are very eccentric and feel the need to wear the same kind of clothes. We might not be homosexual, but we are hoping that you will assume we are latent crossdressers. Will you please beat the crap out of us, just to be sure?"

p.s. I still think you ought to pursue them as a sponsor for your radio program. There is certainly nothing wrong with a kilt; it just isn't me.
[> [> Subject: Re: A poll-who feels comfortable enough


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:24:36 11/10/02 Sun
Its unfortunate, but I understand. I was pretty confident you guys wouldn't be interested, I just wanted to hear if you were open to it or not. Oh, well...
[> [> [> Subject: Ventilation


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 19:30:37 11/10/02 Sun
>Its unfortunate, but I understand. I was pretty
>confident you guys wouldn't be interested, I just
>wanted to hear if you were open to it or not. Oh,
>well...

Don't get me wrong. I think you should go ahead and wear a kilt anyway. After all, you don't need us around to validate your decisions, do you?

I intend to bring the same wardrobe I wore last year: Aluminum pie plate hat, sweat-stained Culture Club t-shirts, low-rise plastic pants with custom ruby-encrusted codpiece, and my signature red scuba goggles and flippers.

More proof that Paris and Milan have nothing on Phoenix when it comes to fashion, eh?
Subject: Here's the 411, bitch!


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 19:45:15 11/10/02 Sun
Here's what new with me.

1. Teresa and I are starting the paperwork to sell or small house (1433 sq ft) and build a new house with 5 bedrooms and about 2440 sq ft, because we need room.

2. My job is winding up and I'm going to take a new job in the same division probably sometime in 2003. It turns out that my manager is getting to be a real asshole idiot, also.

3. This whole 4-day weekend I'm busy designing and writing a set of Animated STAR TREK trading cards for Rittenhouse Archives. I'm writing the synopses and secondary (behind the scenes) text for the card backs and am choosing the front and back images. It will be a 198 episode card set plus autograph and cast cards.

4. I just read book number 23, I plan on reading 30 this year. I'm halfway through "The Dreams Our Stuff is Made Of" by Thomas M. Disch. In it he uses the word "zeitgeist" just like I did much to your combined chagrin: "A few years can make a profound difference in one's zeitgeist, our sense of how the present meshes with history." How about that, I was right. Go figure.

5. Chelsea, Phoebe and I are real excited about the new Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings movies. We're watching talk show and trailers to see the latest clips and news. It's just like we all used to do for the STAR WARS films, 20 years ago.

6. I just saw Eminem's "8-Mile" movie. That some dope shit, dog!

7. My family (5 of us) will be visiting my Mom in Phoenix the weekend before Thanksgiving for 4 days or so.

8. I loved "Interview with a Vampire", but I was blown away by its sequel, "The Queen of the Damned." I'm going to read the first four Anne Rice Vampire Chronicles real soon. I bent the rules and let Phoebe (aged 10) watch "The Queen of the Damned". It had no language or sex, just some vampire violence. It's now her favorite movie after Spider-man. She's so much like me.

9. I'm starting to watch B5 in cronological order (starting with the Prequel, The Gathering, etc.). I'm on episode 12. Last month I watched the last 80 eps of DS9 in order. Sweet!

10. Next year I'm going to buy a new computer, a Mac G4, that I will set up with the Electric Image 3D computer modeling-rendering-animation suite. I want to create 3D environments that can be visited with QuickTime VR either online or on DVD. Kinda like Myst, but the places will be famous TV residences, Trek sets and ultimately 1939 World's Fair and 1950's Disneyland. This is the new thing I'm going to get into.

11. Check out the latest NASA news, STAR TREK predicted it right!

12. The kids are healthy and happy. Here's a picture of them at Halloween. Chelsea, who turns 12 in 3 weeks, gets her braces off next month. Chloe is a load of laughs and is real smart and tricky, she turns 3 in January.

That's about all.

Oh, and a get together the second week of August in Vegas? Of course I can make it.

- Curt
[> Subject: Re: Here's the 411, bitch!


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 07:36:14 11/11/02 Mon
>Here's what new with me.
>
>1. Teresa and I are starting the paperwork to sell or
>small house (1433 sq ft) and build a new house with 5
>bedrooms and about 2440 sq ft, because we need room.

Damn straight you need the room. You need a room to display all your 'busts' that you made. I thought you were looking for work that would get you OUT of Ridgecrest?


>3. This whole 4-day weekend I'm busy designing and
>writing a set of Animated STAR TREK trading cards for
> >target=new>Rittenhouse Archives. I'm writing the
>synopses and secondary (behind the scenes) text for
>the card backs and am choosing the front and back
>images. It will be a 198 episode card set plus
>autograph and cast cards.

That's excellent!!! I still think it would be hilarious for Curt to replicate a Star Trek animate cell but in the background, insert an animated version of Curt as one of the landing party. Hell, make one that shows all of us...I'd love to see an animated version of Ken with that moustache of his.


>4. I just read book number 23, I plan on reading 30
>this year. I'm halfway through "The Dreams Our Stuff
>is Made Of" by Thomas M. Disch. In it he uses the word
>"zeitgeist" just like I did much to your combined
>chagrin: "A few years can make a profound difference
>in one's zeitgeist, our sense of how the present
>meshes with history." How about that, I was right. Go
>figure.

Oh Good Lord we have come full circle. We have talked about all things we could possible talk about. Whats the point of living...We have returned to 'zeitgeist', it is time to shut down the shop and fade off into the sunset.


>6. I just saw Eminem's "8-Mile" movie. That some dope
>shit, dog!

I just bought the DVD "Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back"...funny movie. Funnier than Dogma. Brought back memories of scifi conventions, comics, driving to Yuma to Return of the Jedi, standing in lines and just being a bunch of stupid ass fucks and trying to get laid and getting drunk and watching Ken fight off Marge and Mary.
(Hey, at least YOU guys weren't lying in bed with Sherri Showalter? AND Mary....trying to get Sherri naked and make out with her yet having to do the same thing with Mary...but not as quickly...yet at the same time...but Sherri would be such a nice lay...and Mary is...Mary is....Aaaiiieeeee!!!!


>7. My family (5 of us) will be visiting my Mom in
>Phoenix the weekend before Thanksgiving for 4 days or
>so.

Curt, you should try to hook up with John & Kenbo while you are out there.

>
>8. I loved "Interview with a Vampire", but I was blown
>away by its sequel, "The Queen of the Damned." I'm
>going to read the first four Anne Rice Vampire
>Chronicles real soon. I bent the rules and let Phoebe
>(aged 10) watch "The Queen of the Damned". It had no
>language or sex, just some vampire violence. It's now
>her favorite movie after Spider-man. She's so much
>like me.

Geez, I can't get Hayden to watch the 1950s movie Atomic Submarine...he was getting so scared. It was a stretch for him to see Spider-Man. At first the goblin and his laughter was getting too intense for him. I thought I made a big mistake taking him. But he was better afterwards....and saw the movie again with Khe-Huong from S.Korea..and didn't have a problem.

>
>9. I'm starting to watch B5 in cronological order
>(starting with the Prequel, The Gathering, etc.). I'm
>on episode 12. Last month I watched the last 80 eps
>of DS9 in order. Sweet!

No FUCKING WONDER you didn't have time to keep the old Hogalum site going...you DS9 watchin' fuck! :)


>
>10. Next year I'm going to buy a new computer, a Mac
>G4, that I will set up with the Electric Image 3D
>computer modeling-rendering-animation suite. I want to
>create 3D environments that can be visited with
>QuickTime VR either online or on DVD. Kinda like
>Myst, but the places will be famous TV residences,
>Trek sets and ultimately 1939 World's Fair and 1950's
>Disneyland. This is the new thing I'm going to get
>into.

Y'know Curt, It would be great if you had time to create a VR setting of the Inner Compass retail store I envision. It would be a great visual to add to presentation to investors when the opportunity opens up.


Damn its snowing today!!!
[> [> Subject: Re: 411


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 11:05:34 11/14/02 Thu
Curt, it's great to hear from you!

>>1. Teresa and I are starting the paperwork to sell or
>>small

Your timing is impeccable, mortgage-rate-wise

>>3. This whole 4-day weekend I'm busy designing and
>>writing a set of Animated STAR TREK trading cards

What's a four-day weekend?

>That's excellent!!! I still think it would be
>hilarious for Curt to replicate a Star Trek animate
>cell but in the background, insert an animated version
>of Curt as one of the landing party. Hell, make one
>that shows all of us...I'd love to see an animated
>version of Ken with that moustache of his.

I am an animated version, Jeff!

>>4. I just read book number 23, I plan on reading 30
>>this year. I'm halfway through "The Dreams Our Stuff
>>is Made Of" by Thomas M. Disch. In it he uses the word
>>"zeitgeist" just like I did much to your combined
>>chagrin: "A few years can make a profound difference
>>in one's zeitgeist, our sense of how the present
>>meshes with history." How about that, I was right. Go
>>figure.

I was never chagrined, and I make it a point never to combine my chagrin. You are certainly welcome to use any word any way you see fit.

>Oh Good Lord we have come full circle. We have talked
>about all things we could possible talk about. Whats
>the point of living...We have returned to 'zeitgeist',
>it is time to shut down the shop and fade off into the
>sunset.

A bit of an overstatement, Jeff.

>>6. I just saw Eminem's "8-Mile" movie. That some dope
>>shit, dog!

I won't bother telling you how the preceding phrases parse through my Random House Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language.

>I just bought the DVD "Jay & Silent Bob Strike
>Back"...funny movie. Funnier than Dogma. Brought back
>memories of scifi conventions, comics, driving to Yuma
>to Return of the Jedi, standing in lines and just
>being a bunch of stupid ass fucks and trying to get
>laid and getting drunk and watching Ken fight off
>Marge and Mary.
>(Hey, at least YOU guys weren't lying in bed with
>Sherri Showalter? AND Mary....trying to get Sherri
>naked and make out with her yet having to do the same
>thing with Mary...but not as quickly...yet at the same
>time...but Sherri would be such a nice lay...and Mary
>is...Mary is....Aaaiiieeeee!!!!

Oh Good Lord we have come full circle. We have talked
about all things we could possible talk about. Whats
the point of living...We have returned to 'Marge,' 'Mary,' and 'Sherri.' It is time to shut down the shop and fade off into the sunset.

>>7. My family (5 of us) will be visiting my Mom in
>>Phoenix the weekend before Thanksgiving for 4 days or
>>so.
>
>Curt, you should try to hook up with John & Kenbo
>while you are out there.

Indeed. Give me a call.

>>9. I'm starting to watch B5 in cronological order
>>(starting with the Prequel, The Gathering, etc.). I'm
>>on episode 12. Last month I watched the last 80 eps
>>of DS9 in order. Sweet!

I would love to see B5 in order.
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