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Another ECHO excerpt -- Karen Henry, 13:59:20 11/09/08 Sun
They're doing a post-election "share your humorous excerpts" thread on Compuserve this week, and the following is Diana's contribution.

http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=61651.44&nav=messages&webtag=ws-books#a44

Message number is 61651.44. Enjoy!

Karen

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- I cant believe WIllie hasnt recognized Ian yet. Falling into an outhouse pit doesnt happen everyday, you would think he would remember his partner in crime! (NT) -- Annabel, 21:20:57 11/09/08 Sun
  - Know what you mean, but Ian does look slightly different - tatoos, etc. *G* :) (NT) -- Lady JenF, 08:41:48 11/10/08 Mon
- I love it! "scream like a lassie". LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I canna wait for Echo... (NT) -- ladyphantom, 10:26:07 11/10/08 Mon
- thanks! (NT) -- Lucy, 15:08:02 11/10/08 Mon
- Ian clicking his tongue, stating that he must keep Willie from dying to save him from going to hell for using such foul language sounds just like his Uncle Jamie!! (NT) -- LindaMc, 10:50:58 11/11/08 Tue
New ECHO excerpt -- Karen Henry, 16:03:52 11/06/08 Thu
Diana just posted a new excerpt in response to a question about whether or not Ian still considers himself married to his Mohawk wife, Emily. Message number is 61646.2

http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=61646.2&nav=messages&webtag=ws-books#a2

I didn't peek at this one, so that's all I know. Enjoy!

Karen

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- Thanks for the snippet, Karen. So, I guess we can infer that he still considers himself wed to her. There is a Spoiler alert from DG, but didn't we all --those of us who read excerpts, that is-- know this already? (NT) -- Lemora, 00:39:46 11/07/08 Fri
  - Lemora - I think we all know that Ian still loves Emily - but does he still consider himnself "wed" to her. Wasn't she given to another man??? And there was some sort of "ceremony" indicating that?? Wasn't that more or less wht Ian left the Mohawk?? Because she chose another?? (NT) -- GiGi, 10:18:03 11/07/08 Fri
    - I seem to remember it happened as you tell it. The main reason was Ian and Emily couldn't conceive a child, and he was believed to be the one "at fault", determined by a shaman or someone else important. (NT) -- Lemora, 13:11:15 11/07/08 Fri
      - By the old ladies, wasn't it??? Particularly Emily's grandmother??? (NT) -- GiGi, 18:03:28 11/07/08 Fri
      - Emily conceived by Ian (more than once??), but lost the babies. Something about her spirit fighting his spirit. (NT) -- GiGi, 18:05:07 11/07/08 Fri
- I remember that the Cherokee women were allowed to choose their husbands, not sure about the Mohawk but I think it was similar…And they could also choose to divorce them as well. Emily was to be wed to another warrior, but after she met Ian…she chose him instead and the “Mothers/Grandmothers” agreed…and the warrior ended up marrying her sister and thus became Ian’s brother-in-law…But, after Ian/Emily’s 1st child died at birth (born premature) and then she continued to have miscarriages, Emily appeared to lose interest/faith in Ian. (NT) -- Mitzi, 20:22:10 11/08/08 Sat
  - Emily‘s sister was kidnapped by another tribe and her husband “the warrior“ then began to show Ian/Emily that he was still interested in having her to wife and when she started returning his looks/interest….that is when Ian began to think that she did not want him any longer. The Grandmother brought him his belongings and told him to leave and he did (I assumed that Emily was divorcing him and taking the warrior as her new husband)....But he never discussed this with Emily to my knowledge and he never quit loving her either. (NT) -- Mitzi, 20:25:29 11/08/08 Sat
    - The only clue we have about Ian/Emily is that DG has said on Compuserve that Ian has unfinished business with the Mohawks…..and from that statement I think she is talking about Emily’s involvement with “the warrior” and their divorce?? Remember how he said to Bree that he wanted to go back and fight him for her….But, Bree advised him not to go. I don’t think he has ever been satisfied with that decision. JMO. (NT) -- Mitzi, 20:26:46 11/08/08 Sat
- Thank you! (NT) -- Lucy, 15:04:34 11/10/08 Mon
Diana's request for cover opinions -- Sharon, 11:32:45 11/06/08 Thu
Hi all. I was just on Diana's blog and she is talking about the cover for the new book "Echo" and possibly redoing the covers of the other books. She is asking for opinions from her "Loyal Readers". Just thought I would let everyone know. See if we can help her out.

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- I like the cover of "Exit Unicorns"; maybe that style, with vibrant emerald, teal, moss & seafoam greens; embossed Scots Gaelic runes along the border. Each book cover could be a slightly different shade of rich green with a different logo: A standing stone for "Outlander"; a dragonfly for "DIA"; a sailing ship for "Voyager"; a bodhran for "DOA"; a fiery cross for same; a dirk and musket for "ABOSAA" and a thistle for "Echo" because they're going back to Scotland (yea!). This would be a good alternative to the "Romancy" early covers and the monochromatic later ones, which I've never liked. (NT) -- Lemora, 01:01:56 11/07/08 Fri
- I would like all one book cover color - so that the series woukd stand out on the book shelf. Maybe with a band of color on the spine so one could tell at ba glance "which" book. Wouldn't a nice leather (even "fake" leather) cover be classy??? We DO intend on passing these down as "heirlooms", don't we?? (NT) -- GiGi, 10:22:29 11/07/08 Fri
- I like my older "fine art" covers up to Fiery Cross. I guess I'm not crazy about Diana's name inside a gold box on the spine of Drums or the red box on the Companion either. The solids are nice and classy looking, but don't fit well with the first ones on my shelf. I wish art covers were available for all of them, but since mine are signed I'd not replace FC or ABOSAA even if new covers were available. I like the fact that there aren't people on any of the covers except the original inside cover of my paperback versions of O and DIA. The drawings were pretty awful. (NT) -- Jane, 13:03:06 11/08/08 Sat
- I like the current covers -- solid colors, with one largish icon in the middle, no other decoration. I think they're classic. (NT) -- Nifty, 09:50:26 11/17/08 Mon
Podcast - Hi all there is an update on Diana's website and at the bottom is a new Podcast. Just wanted to let ya'll know. Hope I did this right. -- Sharon, 12:32:16 11/05/08 Wed

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- OOPS I forgot to tell you the Podcast has to do with William in Echo!!! (NT) -- Sharon (Happy), 13:19:53 11/05/08 Wed
- What is a podcast? Do I need an Ipod or mp3 player or is it an audio I would hear on my computer? Thanks for helping a not very savvy computer user. (NT) -- Ellen P., 10:55:15 11/09/08 Sun
  - It's kind of like a radio broadcast. You should be able to hear it from your computer. (NT) -- Lucy, 08:49:29 11/10/08 Mon
"Ghost" -- Susan, 10:26:26 10/30/08 Thu
I know everyone is waiting for"Echo". I, too, so I started re-reading the whole series(3rd time). And, I've been following the new snippets. However, having finished "Outlander"(again) I'm still pondering about the ghost!!!! Is this to be answered? Or has it and I missed it? Susan

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- Diana has said the explanation will be in the last book...it is so hard to wait! (NT) -- MairiS, 14:07:33 10/31/08 Fri
There's a new tiny excerpt! -- Cathryn_L, 10:13:06 10/29/08 Wed
Someone asked if Diana ever does excerpts to start a speculative discussion....

http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=61537.13&nav=messages&webtag=ws-books#a13

DG replied w/this..

http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=61537.22&nav=messages&webtag=ws-books#a22

It makes me say, "Hmmmmm!"

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- I guess I should be clear--the excerpt's in the second link. Sorry! (NT) -- Cathryn_L, 10:15:19 10/29/08 Wed
- Ok - I give up - Claire and who? (NT) -- Bedelia, 10:16:02 10/29/08 Wed
  - No idea...maybe Dr. Fentiman? or some other healer-type person. Part of the fun is the speculation. Who else might it be? Maybe that Quaker guy in the William excerpts? Although the language isn't Quakerish sounding. Like I said before, Hmmmm. (NT) -- Cathryn_L, 12:26:19 10/29/08 Wed
- Doesn’t sound like the Quaker to me either. This sounds like someone older by the way he refers to her as (my dear). I think it maybe someone we haven’t met yet. And what is Claire doing with a strap on her forearm??? Is she injured or being held captive??? Interesting cliffhanger….that’s for sure. (NT) -- Mitzi, 18:17:40 10/29/08 Wed
- I think it is the guy who was looking in the window when C was pulling the girls teeth. (NT) -- annabel, 20:07:59 10/29/08 Wed
- See [Msg # 61537.28 61537.1 ] further down from that second post - it contains a fun scene - the birthday attachment DG called it. (NT) -- Lady JenF, 20:36:18 10/29/08 Wed
  - Hey, someone historical that I actually know!!! Not know know but recognize at least! Very cool excerpt! (NT) -- Vicki, 19:20:51 10/30/08 Thu
  - I vote for the guy in the window too. :-) (NT) -- shellb, 18:07:46 11/02/08 Sun
- ohh, that is a good one! Thank you! (NT) -- Lucy, 22:13:54 10/29/08 Wed
  - That was a good one! Someone should post this as a seperate post and link. How exciting! (NT) -- Amanda B., 16:18:00 10/30/08 Thu
- Guys, I sent out an email about these links. Did anyone get it? (NT) -- Vicki, 07:18:14 10/30/08 Thu
  - Umm, No---did I do something I shouldn't have? (NT) -- Cathryn_L, 10:17:31 10/30/08 Thu
    - Yeah, I didn't get it either and normally I do right away. I'll have to send it again. Thanks! (NT) -- Vicki, 17:59:00 10/30/08 Thu
Atlanta Book Fair 2007 oral reading by DG - see inside -- GiGi, 12:22:38 10/28/08 Tue

I did not go to Atlanta Book Fair 2007, nor do I know anyone who went, but I know some who know others who went. So Ladies – JUST FOR YOU – I pulled in some favors, twisted some arms and made some phone calls.

Jamie and Claire (who else came???) are at Lallybroch. Jamie is conversing with Jenny while he eats his oatmeal (is Claire right there then??). He asks how Laoghaire fares and Jenny says to “Go see for yourself”. When he is at her house he sees the young man who sits at her doorstep. Jamie knows Laog. goes by Mrs. Fraser and is damned if he’ll call her that but he eventually asks the man to get his mistress. When the man rises, Jamie see that he is crippled and thinks it’s just like Laog. to employ a crippled servant to shame him. Loag. comes and greets him. Now this has all been posted by DG herself somewhere.

THIS IS NEW: Laog makes a snide remark about that she sees that he brought his wife (it is some other term for Claire that she uses) in her fine silk dresses. In the course of their conversation, Jamie reveals (or maybe Laog tells him) that she had a sexual affair with a married man while she was still at Castle Leoch. Jamie mentions that XX was married and hopes Laog didn’t give him her maidenhead. She did, she tells him. I assume this was the man her Father wanted Collum to beat her for???? Or was it after Jamie and Claire married?????

In the course of their conversation it is revealed that Laoh’s squeeze is the crippled young man at her door. What I could get from these people is that Jamie actually asks Laog. “why him and not me” or something to that effect as to why he can satisfy you and I can’t. Laog tells him that you (Jamie) never needed me but that he does.

For some reason (no one revealed to me) Jamie and Laog get into it. They are at it and rolling on the floor and the young crippled man comes to her defense and Jamie accidentally hits him and then breaks it off.

When he is leaving – he throws the yearly payment at Laog. and as it hits the wall or door or whatever - it makes a “clunk” and Jamie thinks that it would have made a more impressive noise if he had brought coin.

I truly hope I have NOT mangled the facts of this Atlanta 2007 reading too much. I apologize if I have. But I pieced this together from no less than 7 sources, all who varied a little in their telling.

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- Thanks so much.......I love how this is playing out. My only concern is exactly how are they rolling around on the floor? They better just be fighting, anything else is unexceptable! lol (NT) -- Jenn, 17:52:11 10/28/08 Tue
  - It's a result of an altercation of sorts. How they ended up on the floor - I don't know. (NT) -- GiGi, 22:51:41 10/28/08 Tue
- How cool.....but darn it, I was hoping that Jamie (or Claire) would kick her @ss and tell her she would not get another shilling out of them!!!! (NT) -- Mitzi, 20:42:10 10/28/08 Tue
- thank you so much for clearing that up.......i was getting a bit worried lol (NT) -- Jenn, 01:25:06 10/29/08 Wed
- Thanks for doing all this legwork, Gigi. I also want Jamie & Claire to tell Longhorns to stuff it. I still don't understand why she was never prosecuted for trying to kill Jamie with the gun! They just seemed to let that one go. Now, I'm wondering who she was shagging at Castle Leoch, back when she was 16 and not so innocent? I wonder if it was Dougal after all... (NT) -- Lemora, 10:17:04 10/29/08 Wed
  - It could have been Dougal, too - but that wasn't the name mentioned here - I forgot - it didn't seem significant WHO - but Jamie knew who he was as he said "he was/is married". Laog knew the man was married, too. (NT) -- GiGi, 10:24:18 10/29/08 Wed
- Well how I interpret this - Jamie will feel guilty even thinking about stopping the yearly money - because NOW he is supporting ANOTHER mouth - the crippled man. I doubt, in those times, that the young man could support Laog AND himself (and where is Joan????? In a convent??? Dead???? Doesn't Marsali hear news about her sister and never tells anyone???). (NT) -- GiGi, 11:53:29 10/29/08 Wed
- When you say 'Laog and Jamie get into it' - I really hope the violence doesn't turn into anything sexual (I don't trust Loag as far as I can throw her ass!). EEK! I am so excited for Echo! (NT) -- Danielle, 17:45:50 10/29/08 Wed
  - Did you read all the above. I said it was the outcome of an altercation but I do not know how they ended up on the floor. Fistcuffs!!!!! (NT) -- GiGi, 17:57:52 10/29/08 Wed
- P.S - I had this awful sinking feeling that Laog's affair was with Ian Murray... I know, I know! He and Jenny are soulmates, but it was just a passing thought I had. I wondered why Jenny wouldn't finish revealing to Jamie who she caught Laog with (in the letter she wrote). Jenny and Ian were married when Laog was at Castle Leoch..... I know it's dumb *now*. (NT) -- Danielle, 17:58:13 10/29/08 Wed
  - No - it's NOT dumb. I considered Ian at one time too. Figured it would serve Jenny "right" for getting Jamie to marry Laog. and then later sending for Laog. when Claire returned with him to Lallybroch. (NT) -- GiGi, 18:03:09 10/29/08 Wed
    - I hate the idea of an Ian/Laog pairing (even if it is in the past). But the more I think about it.... Laog is with a cripple now (maybe because he 'needs' her, maybe because he reminds her of her first love, Ian Murray?!). When I was reading that part where Jenny doesn't mention who she saw with Laog in the letter, I had this image of Jenny being too distraught to finish the thought, that to write it down would make it real.... ARGH! Okay, now the idea is firmly stuck in my head and I need Echo to reveal the truth! ARGH! (NT) -- Danielle, 18:16:32 10/29/08 Wed
      - There is THAT - why didn't Jenny finish her sentence in that letter. OMG - maybe there's more than 1 man..... (NT) -- GiGi, 23:41:18 10/29/08 Wed
  - But Ian and Jenny were at Lallybroch, not at Castle Leoch. How would Laghaire even have met him? (NT) -- delicat, 06:07:50 10/30/08 Thu
    - It is NOT IAN. Laog. probably did not meet Ian AND Jenny until after she married the MacKenzie men and moved somewhat nearby to Lallybroch (I forget where it is that Laog. was living, but it's near enough). (NT) -- GiGi, 09:56:39 10/30/08 Thu
- Oh Please - Surely it CAN'T be Ian! That would just destroy me. Doesn't Ian still write letters to Jamie? Surely he would feel too guilty to do that if he was with Leery. (NT) -- BrendaW, 08:24:59 10/30/08 Thu
- Occasional visitor here, hope you don't mind my chiming in. Jamie's reaction here does not sound like the reaction of a happily married man in his 50's. Sounds more like a jealous young lover to me. Seems odd that he would care so much at this stage in his life that it would result in a tussle on the floor, even if money is involved. Or maybe I should just step back and quit speculating altogether! (NT) -- Elaine, 08:59:39 10/30/08 Thu
  - As I said above - I had to piece this together from no less than 7 sources - everyone wanting to keep it a secret. If I remember correctly - I THINK Laog. hit Jamie with a broom or went after him with a broom - thereby resulting in some sort of a tussle. If someone who was there in Atlanta would come forward and clear this all up?????? (NT) -- GiGi, 09:17:18 10/30/08 Thu
    - You pieced the reading together very well. I was there (Diana told me she'll be back in '09). My memory says it was a shovel as they were taking a walk in the garden. I want to say the servant started the altercation in defense of Leghair & she grabbed up a shovel. I remember I visualized them in a flower garden & a potting shed. I posted my rendition of it at the time, but it's out of archives. (p.s. I don't stop by this board as often as I'd like, but just wanted to say thanks to all you thoughtful ladies that share the excerpts & links!) (NT) -- AngieLass, 00:29:32 10/31/08 Fri
  - Do you remember in ABOSAA how Jamie reacted after he read Jenny's letter where she abruptly broke it off and never revealed the name of Laog. squeeze?? Remember that night where he attack Claire mechanically with his lovemaking - and the resulting discussion with Claire about it?? What was YOUR reaction to that?? The same as you mentioned in your post??? (NT) -- GiGi, 09:47:09 10/30/08 Thu
    - Yes, my reaction was the same then, too. It seemed odd for someone his age, and certainly out of character. It tells me he still feels something pretty strongly for Laoghaire. (NT) -- Elaine, 12:31:22 10/30/08 Thu
      - After all these years and he still even THINKS about his lovemaking with Laoghaire wondering how he was to blame for not satisfying her?????? Ewwwwwwww. (NT) -- GiGi, 13:33:11 10/30/08 Thu
        
        Oh - and he even tells Claire THAT... She sure handled it better than I would have. (NT) -- GiGi, 13:35:08 10/30/08 Thu
There's some news about the GN on Compuserve - msg. # 61025.26. Looks like we might see some of the artwork soon. -- Bedelia, 08:34:01 10/28/08 Tue

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Atlanta Book Fair 2007, Diana read the excerpt from ECHO and asks Laoghaire "who??" and Loaghaire tells him "who" she's been mmphing and why he satisfies her and Jamie couldn't. Jamie's payment hits the wall and goes "clunk" and Jamie wishes he would have brought it in coin. Does that mean that Jamie found the Bugses gold?? -- GiGi, 10:00:21 10/17/08 Fri

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- Is there anywhere to read this excerpt? I've never seen it, but am dying too, it seems to funny to pass up. (NT) -- Jenn, 12:42:12 10/17/08 Fri
- Come on gals - no one was at Atlanta Book Fair in 2007 to relate this spoken (by DG) excerpt to us???? I've just heard bits and pieces. (NT) -- GiGi, 19:42:45 10/17/08 Fri
- I'll look thru my saved excerpts...I think I have something involving Jamie and Leghair and him throwing gold at her. (NT) -- Mitzi, 01:08:14 10/18/08 Sat
- This spoken (oral) excerpt goes waaaay beyond anything DG has ever printed as an excerpt. It reveals just who Laoghaire is dallying with and why she prefers him over Jamie. It's as if everyone at that 2007 Book Fair took an oath to not reveal what they heard. Or do we already know who it is that Laoghaire has been mmmphing and it is I who does not know?? (NT) -- GiGi, 09:47:01 10/18/08 Sat
  - I might be wrong, but I think this was discussed on Compuserve shortly after it occurred. Maybe if you used the compuserve search engine - I don't remember who L was with, but I wasn't very interested in the situation at the time. . . (NT) -- Bedelia, 18:53:14 10/18/08 Sat
    - Oooh, tell me it was Ned "Snow-On-The-Rooftop-But-Fire-In-The-Furnace" Gowan! (NT) -- Lemora, 17:42:40 10/19/08 Sun
    - I searched Compuserve and can not find this specific excerpt that was orally presented in Atlanta. Does any one here know just who is Laoghaire's new squeeze?? (NT) -- GiGi, 21:00:24 10/19/08 Sun
      - If my memory serves me correctly, it's her servant/groom. I don't recall any explanation as to why L found him more desirable in bed than Jamie. (A notion I find preposterous!!!) (NT) -- Terri C, 09:15:29 10/20/08 Mon
        
        Do you mean the crippled guy sitting at her door when Jamie goes there?? Well, I guess some part of him must still work good enough!!!! (NT) -- GiGi, 10:37:11 10/20/08 Mon
        
        Maybe the groom is really a reptile with some funky long tongue or secretly a contorsionist. Maybe the groom and L are into S and M or some such thing. That undeserving B%@!&#^$CH!!!! (NT) -- Lady JenF, 11:51:11 10/20/08 Mon
        
        No, No - it is good that she has somebody to "ring her bells". She'll forget about Claire and Jamie then - maybe even get to know what true love and devotion are. Who knows - maybe someday she might apologize. (NT) -- GiGi, 18:13:44 10/20/08 Mon
        
        I won't hold my breath about her ever apologizing. This reminds me of the Jane Fonda/Bruce Dern/Jon Voigt situation in "Coming Home". Maybe Longhorns is a 'cripples' fetishist and is only just now discovering it! I'm just relieved it isn't Ian. Incidentally, Marsali drops a foreshadowing of a hint in one of the books when she mentions Laoghaire's interactions with various men in the Lallybroch vicinity and says, about Ian, "She liked him well enough." I was thinking, "Oh n-o-o-o, I hope DG isn't going there." But, I think DG was suggesting that Loggers finds missing limbs a turn-on. (NT) -- Lemora, 01:52:21 10/21/08 Tue
        
        Lemora - I do not remember Marsali mentioning interactions of her mother with Lallybroch-vicinity men. Can you tell me where (in what book)?? But, I, too, wondered at some point if it was Ian. (NT) -- GiGi, 12:21:54 10/21/08 Tue
        
        I think this happens on board the ship where Marsali asks Claire how to enjoy sex without getting pregnant. She brings up the scene where she burst in upon J & C at Lallybroch, and comments that her mother flinched whenever Jamie touched her, and goes on to describe Laoghaire as telling her terrible things about a married woman's "duties". This was in "Voyager" in the Caribbean. Don't remember the chapter name. Marsali says something to the effect of "even if you are a no good whore", I need your advice. (NT) -- Lemora, 00:55:58 10/22/08 Wed
- Help! How do I get onto Karen Henry's site? I normally follow links. Don' know anyother way! (NT) -- Phelisha, 17:56:32 10/20/08 Mon
  - I think this is the connection you are looking for. If not, I know someone else can help....Also, you can go to the CompuServe site and all of Karen's posts have her link at the bottom of her posts. http://outlandishobservations.blogspot.com/ (NT) -- Mitzi, 21:45:52 10/20/08 Mon
    - I would suggest saving in your favorite "site" file, so you don't have to remember how to spell it what is called everytime you want to go there....At least that makes it easier for me, as I'm not a computer person.....Hope that helps! (NT) -- Mitzi, 21:48:46 10/20/08 Mon
      - Thanks Mitzi! (NT) -- P., 11:38:03 10/21/08 Tue
- Oh, guess what?? They are discussing this very question over at Compuserve under "Laoghaire's Hochmagandy". A woman has a reply where she says she was there for that oral reading and she "knows" and says she is whistling. Meaning, to me, that she knows and isn't telling. It's like all in attendance at Atlanta 2007 took a vow NOT to tell what they heard. (NT) -- GiGi, 13:11:41 10/21/08 Tue
  - Yep…and I think there is a pretty good hint in one of DG’s responses….the one about Jenny not being aware of whom it is if that person was related…sooooo, I’m thinking maybe son or son-in-law???? (NT) -- Mitzi, 18:07:01 10/21/08 Tue
    - No, somebody else had the correct answer above. That's all I'm saying! (NT) -- Susannah, 14:12:39 10/24/08 Fri
      - Well, see - I thought we had already established that Laoghaire's squeeze was the young man who sits outside her doorway who Jamie talks to when he goes there to deliver her the yearly payment. (NT) -- GiGi, 13:43:06 10/25/08 Sat
- Well, I always thought it would be someone very shocking. I was really stretching my imagination, and seeing how she was not happy with Jamie, I was wondering if maybe the subject of her affections might not be a male at all !!??. (NT) -- Brenda W, 17:06:40 10/22/08 Wed
  - DG herself has said that idea would be to easy….so it will not be a woman, but someone we will be shocked to see involved (I think). Let’s face it, the only way Jenny would “Not” know what is going on in her small estate is if someone in her own family was using their own influence to make sure she did not find out….to me, that means a relative…..I don’t think it will be her husband, Ian….soooo, that leaves us with her son’s or her daughter’s husbands or possibly someone she employs and trusts on her estate that has influence among the other tenants???? (NT) -- Mitzi, 22:22:48 10/22/08 Wed
PLUS we have an additional bonus EXCERPT if you scroll down a little further from Karen’s last posting. This one is number 61328.49>61328.47...It is a small Echo excerpt where Herself says she is involving Canadian Characters….And Hamish Mackenzie (now from Canada) meets young Ian for the 1st time….Oh, What a treat!!! -- Mitzi, 23:36:53 10/14/08 Tue

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- You're link is in here. Although I have to say I'm surprised that Hamish would be from PEI and not Nova Scotia. Being a Bluenoser myself, I'd hoped he'd settle in Cape Breton. Nova Scotia does mean New Scotland>>>>>>> -- Vicki, 07:11:14 10/15/08 Wed
  - Vicki - I was also disappointed that we see him in PEI. I am also a Bluenoser - I live in NB now but originally from NS. Plan to move back to NS in about 5 years when I retire. What part are you from ? (NT) -- Brenda W, 08:43:27 10/24/08 Fri
  - Vicki: Didn't read your message correctly the first time. I am pretty sure that in the Outlandish Companion, DG says that Hamish is one of the 'real' people and that he did live in NS (she might have even said Cape Breton). But in this excerpt Ian meets him in PEI. We don't know that Hamish is actually from PEI, he might be from NS and just over there for some reason. (that's what I'm hoping). I wonder if there are any PEI readers here ? (NT) -- Brenda W, 08:49:12 10/24/08 Fri
- Great to see those two meeting! (NT) -- Lady JenF, 09:21:47 10/15/08 Wed
- *AND* Another "Custom of the Army" excerpt! -- Penny, 23:46:45 10/15/08 Wed
- k-ewl!!! Raise your hand if you are an excerpt tramp! I absolutely cannot help myself one bit and must read every one that comes up. I swear if DG said she was going to post a synopsis of how "it all" works out, I'd breakdown and read it. I'd still read the books, too. But - I just can't help myself... (NT) -- TheresaS, 15:38:09 10/20/08 Mon
  - Raising Hand.....Me 1st, Me 1st, Me 1st.....I can't get enough of the excerpts!! Love them all! (NT) -- Mitzi, 21:51:04 10/20/08 Mon
- Yup, my hand is up - just can't get enough. All the excerpts I see, I copy and paste them onto my own Word document in case I want to check them out again. I haven't done any formatting to adjust them, but the way they are I would now have 66 pages if I were to print them ! (NT) -- Brenda W, 08:40:57 10/24/08 Fri
New excerpts -- Karen Henry, 08:19:51 10/14/08 Tue
Two new excerpts, one from the Lord John story, "Custom of the Army" (61328.28) and one from ECHO (61328.34)

http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=61328.28&nav=messages&webtag=ws-books#a28

http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=61328.34&nav=messages&webtag=ws-books#a34

Enjoy!

Karen

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- Thank you! (NT) -- Lucy, 09:42:49 10/15/08 Wed
- Randall-Isaac? Hmmmm. Didn't someone say that Mary Hawkins remarried? And her 2nd intended was some wealthy Jew? Maybe that went through after all. Thoughts? (NT) -- devenhuis, 17:55:36 10/17/08 Fri
  - I do remember something being said about Mary marrying again, and I think it might have been Claire remembering Frank’s family tree….it seems to me that it was several years after BJR death. I don’t think it would have been the same guy she was supposed to marry in DIA. I do hope that Claire meets up with Mary again….and it’s going to be really cool to she Mary/Alex’s son. But then again, he will be on the side of the English so it may not be so cool…..maybe we’ll get lucky and she’ll give us a hint??? (NT) -- Mitzi, 18:16:17 10/21/08 Tue
ECHO's shape -- Karen Henry, 07:54:44 10/12/08 Sun
It sounds very much as though Diana has settled on the final "shape" of the book.

It's a caltrop.

Look here for much more discussion:

http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=61372.9&nav=messages&webtag=ws-books#a9

(What's a caltrop, you ask? It's all explained in the thread on Compuserve.)

Karen

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- Karen - Will this discussion give away the whole plot for the book? Not sure how much I want to know ahead. I am selectively excerpting. Thanks! (NT) -- Lady JenF, 17:06:37 10/12/08 Sun
  - Oh, no, it doesn't give away the whole plot of the book! Not even remotely close, believe me! I'm deliberately not "excerpting" at all, so I can tell you that discussion is almost excerpt-free. Just start at post number 9 (the one I linked to) and skip anything that has "spoiler space" in it. There's a lot of talk about caltrops and various book-shapes :-) but very little in the way of actual spoilers, so you should be safe. But you're right to be cautious. (NT) -- Karen Henry, 19:29:30 10/12/08 Sun
- It doesn’t give any hints away as to the books content, but then again it does make us think that the next book Echo will have a wicked ending!!! I know if I stepped on a weapon like this one described, I’d probably be bleeding and would not be happy??? (NT) -- Mitzi, 00:53:49 10/13/08 Mon
google has archives in honor of its 10th anniversary -- Lurker, 19:59:41 10/10/08 Fri
here is the original version of the meeting of Willie and Jamie
click

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- Crap http://web.archive.org/web/20020315145406/www.its.caltech.edu/~gatti/gabaldon/jamiemeetswillie.html (NT) -- Lurker, 20:01:36 10/10/08 Fri
  - You can copy and paste the addy or I put a link in here for it>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Vicki, 13:24:56 10/11/08 Sat
- I love all the variations. I cannot wait to see the one she uses! Sigh! So wonderful!! (NT) -- Lady JenF, 14:14:02 10/11/08 Sat
William vs. Skunk -- EL, 15:24:18 10/10/08 Fri
There is a new scene on CompuServe in The Algonquin/Chat , Pam vs Skunk , [Msg # 61311.17 61311.16 ]

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- In here for the link>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Vicki, 13:22:13 10/11/08 Sat
  - Thank you! (NT) -- Lucy, 22:19:46 10/14/08 Tue
- Oh, this is good!! I love the historical parts of DG’s books. The Hale in this scene (I believe) is Nathan Hale that was captured by Robert Roger’s Rangers near a tavern and later hanged for spying. You’ll probably remember his famous words “I only regret that I have but one life to give my country”. Wow, and William is in the middle of it all!!! (NT) -- Mitzi, 15:09:37 10/11/08 Sat
- Lady Anne Farquharson-Mackintosh -- EL, 12:56:10 10/23/08 Thu
The "Battlefields" Podcast on DG's website -- Lemora, 01:32:10 10/08/08 Wed
I found this one interesting, with a vivid description of Jamie in a Revolutionary War battle. Damn. I thought this next book would take place in Scotland! I really wanted them to stay there, once they got back there! I forget -- Do we know yet why, with the War heating up, they are going over to Scotland? Was that made clear at the end of ABOSAA, after the fire?

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- Once the farm burned down they decided to go there to get the printing press (NT) -- Annabel, 07:13:30 10/08/08 Wed
- Yeah, unfortunately, I don't think we can keep Jamie safe, and I think Herself wants to bring him in major conflict with William and LJG. (NT) -- Bedelia, 09:10:12 10/08/08 Wed
- I think they do go back to Scotland. There have been a few excerpts with Jamie talking to Jenny and Laoghaire in Scotland, but I’m not positive if Claire or Ian are with him. And I don’t remember seeing any clues as far as when he is there…recently after the house burning or much later in the story. (NT) -- Mitzi, 16:21:33 10/11/08 Sat
I think I'm officially going nuts. I don't think I can bear to wait another year for the next one. They don't come fast enough, but at the same time I'm scared to death for the final book to ever come out. I really don't think I can bear it if either one of them dies or god forbid if Claire goes back again. I just can't stand the thought of them being seperated again in any way. If they have to die I want them buried side by side. Sorry guys, but I just had to rant a bit, but I know you all understand how I'm feeling...lol. -- Jenn, 03:34:54 10/06/08 Mon

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- Join the club, Jenn!{g} But personally, I don't see her killing them off arbitrarily - she could have done that 5 books ago. She knows her fans and I don't think she'll disappoint us. (NT) -- Bedelia, 14:49:16 10/06/08 Mon
- I am on the exact same band wagon. (NT) -- Danielle, 05:14:45 10/09/08 Thu
- I'm not for sure, and of course, with DG, until it's on the page, nothing is for sure, but I think that somewhere along the line she indicated that they would die together in maybe the early 1800s, but the main thing I remember is that they die together. (Apologies to the board goddess if I shouldn't say that, and feel free to delete.) (NT) -- JudithONH, 18:42:33 10/10/08 Fri
  - I remember her saying something like that. It wasn't something carved in stone, just more an offhand remark in response to a question. I think it was to reassure people that there was no way that Jamie would die in Scotland with Claire in America kind of thing. (NT) -- Vicki, 13:27:33 10/11/08 Sat
- Where did DG say that? Not that I doubt you, but I'd be surprised to hear she gve away anything that explicit. She hints, but she doesn't usually say much definite. (NT) -- MsNaugha, 07:03:32 10/11/08 Sat
- I thought that Jamie had a dream of Claire at a desk writing with a desklamp? You know how his dreams go..very eerie. He also says that her hair is silver or grey..I am not sure of the exact quote. This says to me that she goes through again? O, I hope they stay together to the end. I couldn't bear them apart again... (NT) -- persianquinn, 08:35:11 10/12/08 Sun
  - Do you remember where that scene is? I also remember Jamie describing a dream he had to Claire, where she is sitting at a desk writing a letter and it is in her own time. But when she asks him to describe what she looks like, he doesn’t remember….I have always hoped that dream was one he had prior to her return, when she was writing her departing letter to Bree….But then again, I also have a shadow of memory of him saying something about her being older, but can’t place than in any of the books. Was that maybe a future excerpt we read??? (NT) -- Mitzi, 00:47:47 10/13/08 Mon
- I think it's in ABOSAA, sometime after they decide Bree and Roger will go back. I don't remember him saying she looked older, so I always thought that he was dreaming of when she was writing her goodbye letter to Bree. I could be wrong though (all the books merge together a bit for me, and it's been a while since I read ABOSAA). I truly hope that she doesn't go back again though. They need to be together till the end. (NT) -- Jenn, 13:50:36 10/13/08 Mon
- I don't own ABOSAA yet but I will but it is from that book. I may have to get it from the library again to see exactly what was written. (NT) -- persianquinn, 22:04:32 10/13/08 Mon
- I did try to check quickly, but couldn't locate it. I'll try to do so again when I have free time. Lord knows it could take a while to find...lol (NT) -- Jenn, 14:59:44 10/16/08 Thu
- I just purchased the three books I needed to complete my series. They had them in Borders in paperback which is what I wanted. The hardcover is tough to read in bed. I got the other three at a garage sale..25 cents each if you can imagine. I have been looking for the scene in ABOSAA but haven't found it yet. Will repost when I do...I don't know if I want to read that one again..I just finished a month ago or start all over..what a dilemma :):) (NT) -- persianquinn, 22:14:46 10/21/08 Tue
- Found it!!!!! It's the very first part of chapter 68 Savages in ABOSAA. He doesn't say she has white hair or looks any older, that it's just her. I'm truly hoping that he's seeing when she wrote her letter of farewell to Bree. (NT) -- Jenn, 14:55:19 10/22/08 Wed
  - That’s what I remember too!! She asks him what she looks like and he can’t say she is older/younger, etc…It’s just her. Soooo, we are left not knowing how old she is or who she is writing to and can only guess if it is before she came back to him or a future scene in the book we haven’t read yet. I was really hoping this reference to his dream describes what he saw before she came back to him in Voyager, but after seeing some of DG’s comments on the way this next book is shaping up, I think we will be left dangling from a hangmen’s noose…just barely breathing till the next book comes out!!! (NT) -- Mitzi, 23:34:05 10/22/08 Wed
    - I agree 100 percent. I for one can't wait for each book to come out, but I know when we do finally get to the last one, I'm going to be torn between wanting to read and not wanting to, for fear of what happens. My biggest fear is that she has to go back for whatever reason, and Jamie's dream was actually of the future and her writing her memoirs or something of the sort. I could truly drive myself nuts in between books. I guess if I get a bit sad though I can just start from the beginning again. (NT) -- Jenn, 00:13:52 10/23/08 Thu
MENTAL TELEPATHY: At the end of ABOSAA when Roger and Bree are at Lallybroch, Jemmy says, She’s a feisty wee baggage…My Grandda said so…referring to Mandy. And then we have Jamie saying the exact same thing about Mandy to Claire when he tells her about the dream he had of the children at Lallybroch (in excerpt from Echo). It seems to me that Jemmy and Jamie have some sort of telepathic communication going on. What do you think or how would you explain this phenomenon??? -- Mitzi, 22:11:13 10/04/08 Sat

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- Yeah, I think she's definitely hinting at some sort of connection between the two. (NT) -- Bedelia, 14:46:50 10/06/08 Mon
- I'm sure Jem has some telepathic gifts. emmeber in ABOSAA when he tells the stunned adults that newly-born Mandy can hear the gems signing because "she says so"? He definitely has some sort of gift.... (NT) -- Terri C, 09:41:37 10/11/08 Sat
- I would be really cool if Jemmy could see what his Grandda and other family members are up to….as things actually are happening…just as we’ve seen Jamie having dreams of the kids and their surroundings. I can just imagine him telling Roger and Bree about his dreams of Grandda and Grandma and their goings on…It does make me wonder though, if Jemmy sees his Grandda in danger, what he would do?? TT maybe? (NT) -- Mitzi, 15:22:17 10/11/08 Sat
SNIPPET EXCERPT. This is not an attachment but only a posted snippet from DG and I don’t think this one has been posted here yet. This is a small snippet regarding William and Ian’s encounter and they are discussing Williams “red” beard. Posted on CompuServe by DG…It is in the “Unanswered Question” folder, message # 35, and the message number is 61211.25>61211.32. This snippet is dated Sept 30th.. Please forgive me if this is something you’ve already seen. Mitzi. -- Mitzi, 00:05:06 10/02/08 Thu

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- Do you think Ian will give WIllie the hints that start him on the road to Jamie???? (NT) -- Annabel, 07:26:46 10/02/08 Thu
  - I'm not sure if he'll leave the "trail of breadcrumbs" or if after Willie has found out, these moments will come back to "verify" things for him, make it harder to deny/easier to accept (NT) -- shellb, 21:43:07 10/02/08 Thu
- We've seen this one before it's part of a larger excerpt called muskrat. THANKS for finding it for us...I'm not being critical..just wanted to save some folks trouble searching for it. It did inspire me to go back and re-read the excerpt (I saved that one way back in February) so I was happy to be reminded of it! (NT) -- Jane, 18:32:41 10/02/08 Thu
  - Jane - Do you still have the link to the longer passage? I guess I missed that one and would love to read the whole passage. Thanks. (NT) -- Lady JenF, 15:32:44 10/03/08 Fri
    - Jen, I don't have the link..if you can check back to the archieves the date I saved it was 2/15/08. If you can't find it (I can't recall the name of the thread), you can email me and I will send you a copy. Just double click on my name for my email address. (NT) -- Jane, 22:29:19 10/03/08 Fri
- OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is great!!! I read it and am hopping with excitement!!!! What a great scene. Of course I have never heard of anything like that and had to google about men with brown hair and red beards. It truly can happen!! How bizarre. Cannot wait until the next book!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NT) -- Lady JenF :), 08:22:02 10/03/08 Fri
  - My father had brown hair on his head but red facial hair. He always wore a mustache, and it was auburn. Of course...I don't know about his privates. Ha! But here's my thing -- have you ever heard of a WOMAN who had brown drapes but a red carpet? I haven't. I wonder if it only works for men, and why that is. (NT) -- Nifty, 09:53:05 10/03/08 Fri
  - It does happen. My DH was born with red hair and it becoame darker as he got older. Now its a brownsih red. However, if he grows a beard or moustache, it tends to be more red. (NT) -- Rollaine, 10:20:11 10/03/08 Fri
  - I had a boyfriend once who had blonde hair and a red beard. It was awesome. (NT) -- Zodiac-Lung, 19:49:01 10/03/08 Fri
  - Before he went gray, my dad had dark brown hair BUT when he didn't shave, his beard came in red. As the red-heided child of two dark-brown haired parents, I found this comforting. (NT) -- LizT, 00:27:21 10/04/08 Sat
- My former husband was blond on his head but red everywhere else. (NT) -- sharon fisher, 11:41:43 10/16/08 Thu
SPECTACULAR SEPTEMBER! DG posted a New Excerpt Today September 30th on CompuServe. This one is under the Folder name Historical Balancing Act and the number is 61199.4>61199.3 and is message #4 titled Teeth.rtf…It is good to see Marsali and the children, not to mention Claire and young Ian too!! -- Mitzi, 14:39:37 09/30/08 Tue

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- What an interesting excerpt! Link in here>>>>>>>>> -- Vicki, 16:25:53 09/30/08 Tue
  - That was a good one. Thank you! (NT) -- Lucy, 19:30:51 09/30/08 Tue
  - Oh that poor little girl! I wonder if an unpleasant consequence of Claire's mouth-to-mouth resuscitation is in the offing --like if the child dies, the mom will claim Claire sucked her soul out, or some such thing. (NT) -- Lemora, 00:53:53 10/02/08 Thu
    - Yeah, I thought they would think something evil of Claire for this. (NT) -- Piper-Mom, 15:40:11 10/02/08 Thu
- And who is that elegant man blocking Claire’s light??? DG’s not telling, but say’s we will see him again. I love the way she drops these small hints about who or what is coming. Such a delicious form of torture!! (NT) -- Mitzi, 18:02:19 09/30/08 Tue
- I was scratching my head. Who are "Maggie" and "Kitty"? I thought Marsali's girls' names were Felicite and something else...not Maggie or Kitty. (NT) -- Nifty, 19:28:58 09/30/08 Tue
  - You are right. The daughter’s names are Joanie and Felicete, but I think these are their nicknames, and they are Marsali’s girls. I have to wonder if they got the nickname Kitty from Jamie calling them the “Hell Kittens”. Too cute!! (NT) -- Mitzi, 20:50:55 09/30/08 Tue
    - maggie and kitty -- Alicia, 21:18:15 09/30/08 Tue
      - You’re right. The names are the same as Jenny’s daughters…..and I have to wonder if this is a typo error??? Should anyone say anything to DG????? I don’t want to presume that she is talking about Marsali’s girls and didn’t call them by their rightful names??? Truthfully, I don’t have the guts to approach this subject with herself…but maybe someone out there does? It won’t be me!!! (NT) -- Mitzi, 22:31:41 09/30/08 Tue
        
        Maybe we can get Karen Henry to help with this one??? Or at least we could let her know what we are thinking that might be a miss-spoke? I know I’m not saying anything, but I think she might if it is important…and this seems that it might be??? (NT) -- Mitzi, 00:32:14 10/01/08 Wed
        
        hi -- Alicia, 06:49:41 10/01/08 Wed
        
        Hi Alicia, & Welcome! Karen is a nice lady who is active on both the LOL boards (here) and the Compuserve Forum, & kinda one of our active go-betweens for the 2 boards, although there are several others who are active on both. Karen also had the honor of recently being made a "Section Leader" on the Compuserve forum. I believe this means she can help monitor that the threads stay on topic, or move those w/hopeless thread drift to the proper place, etc. Presumably, this frees DG up a bit so she can hurry up & finish Echo. Hope that helps answer your question! *G* (NT) -- Cathryn_L, 12:12:28 10/01/08 Wed
- If you read on down to the next page of the thread on Compuserve, Diana admits that she forgot the girls' names and didn't take the time to look it up at that moment... she was just listening to the characters and wrote down things. (NT) -- Piper-Mom, 09:59:51 10/01/08 Wed
- I am extremely happy that young Ian has been featuring so prominently in these excerpts. He has had some good moments with Claire, and with William.... I am *so* looking forward to Echo! (NT) -- Danielle, 17:49:30 10/01/08 Wed
  - Me too - so hope he gets a happy ending! (NT) -- Bedelia, 19:26:50 10/01/08 Wed
    - I hope so too... .he is such a sweetie! (NT) -- Piper-Mom, 15:41:00 10/02/08 Thu
- Willie vs. Skunk -- EL, 14:33:07 10/10/08 Fri
ADDITIONAL GOOD NEWS!! DG posted another New Excerpt Today, Sept 29th, on CompuServe….It is under the folder name Big for Anna (Spoilers) and the number is 61226.9>61226.3 and is message #9 titled Jem.rtf…..This one is really good!!!! It involves Roger and Jemmy and his difficulty with speaking Gaelic at school….Just Wonderful!!!! -- Mitzi, 23:41:02 09/29/08 Mon

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- Oh, this is just marvelous, Mitzi! Just marvelous! I LMAO and canna wait to read the rest of it. About a year now, and counting...Thank you! (NT) -- JudithONH, 01:00:44 09/30/08 Tue
  - JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, THE NAME OF THE FOLDER THIS EXCERPT IS IN HAS CHANGED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL FOLDER TITLED “RELIGION AND LANGUAGES, SPOILER” BUT THE MESSAGE NUMBERS HAVE STAYED THE SAME. (NT) -- Mitzi, 23:48:05 10/01/08 Wed
- I don’t know why, but I love the idea of Bobby and Amy together. They just seem to fit!!! I know I am a romantic at heart, but I hope this will be a love match and not just a marriage of convenience and that Amy will get her answer to the question she posed to Roger…”Why did God send me here?” (NT) -- Mitzi, 02:10:05 09/30/08 Tue
- Link in here>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Vicki, 07:05:44 09/30/08 Tue
  - That snip is absolutely brilliant!!!! OMG, I'm still laughing. Poor Jem! (NT) -- Vicki, 07:09:27 09/30/08 Tue
  - I'm puzzled. DG warns on Compuserve that this snippet contains a spoiler. What is it? Foreshadowing of Jem's return thru the stones? An echo of Jamie's similar thrashings in school as a lad? (NT) -- Lemora, 01:05:45 10/02/08 Thu
- Love this snippet! Poor Jem... (NT) -- Tonya, 08:16:29 09/30/08 Tue
- OMG, what a wonderful excerpt... humorous and verra touching. Thank you for posting, Mitzi!!!! (NT) -- ladyphantom, 09:24:57 09/30/08 Tue
- What year is this? There was still corporal punishment in schools at that time? I couldn't imagine being so clam if someone actually took a strap to my child or twisted their ear! Just curious. (NT) -- Rollaine, 11:02:58 09/30/08 Tue
  - Hi Rollaine--I'm 39 (really!), & I can remember some kids (not me) getting a "swat" for major transgressions in public school (late '70's/early 80's). I remember my 6th grade teacher had his paddle hanging on a hook. Usually, it was only used a couple times a year, but I can remember it happening. Effective behavioral deterrent, that. Mind, I'm not necessarily condoning corporal punishment, but thinking back, it WAS a deterrent, & the kids were much better behaved then, than now. (For the record: personally, I'd have the teacher's head on a platter if my kids were spanked now). (NT) -- Cathryn_L, 12:59:55 09/30/08 Tue
    - I'm 45 and I NEVER remember anything of the kind when I was in school. I remember my brother being slapped by a nun in Catholic school & my mother had a fit! Do you live in the US? (NT) -- Rollaine, 16:00:22 09/30/08 Tue
      - I'm in my late fifties and live in the US. Kids certainly got paddled in school, both elementary and high school. Not frequently, but it wasn't bizarrely unusual, either. Roger and Jem are in Scotland, though, so what was common in the US wouldn't really be relevant. (NT) -- MsNaugha, 17:09:38 09/30/08 Tue
        
        What year did they go back? There was still corporal punishment in schools in the UK? When did it stop? Here in NY, you can NEVER touch a child. I was in elementary school in the 70's & high school in the late 70's (graduated 1981). There was no paddle in any classroom, nor do I recall a teacher ever laying a hand on a child. DH & I teach judo & I always make sure there are 2 adults in the class at all times. If I can't make it, I get very uneasy with him being alone with the kids. Fortunately, one parent usually stays. Believe it or not-it is for our protection as well as the kids. (NT) -- Rollaine, 18:44:20 09/30/08 Tue
        
        I think we all have to keep in mind that Jemmy is NOT a product of the 20th C, but of the 18th C…and I can understand that Jem was not happy about receiving a spanking for his behavior, but I don’t think he was horribly traumatized by it. I think he is more upset about “why” he was punished by his teacher in the 1st place. He doesn’t think talking in the old language (Gaelic) is wrong, after all he has been encouraged all his life to learn it, and his teacher’s reaction to it has to have confused him. And I dare say, make his parents very angry about it too!! (NT) -- Mitzi, 20:23:11 09/30/08 Tue
        
        No, I don't think so either. It's just my surprise that this form of punishment was still in use. That's all! (NT) -- Rollaine, 20:37:54 09/30/08 Tue
        
        Well, I think you can’t only consider the present time, but where they are….They are in the Highlands, which is a remote area even in the present time…and more than likely, the principal is from the “old school”, much like the one I had in 1968.…And they did believe in spankings, trust me. (NT) -- Mitzi, 21:21:39 09/30/08 Tue
        
        I don’t think that him getting his bum spanked is really this issue here, as much as the why of it….Jemmy doesn’t feel like he did anything wrong in the first place…but then when he uses a lot of “Gaelic” curse words in his anger he knows that was not good…and is not surprised that he was punished for the cursing; Yet he is still perplexed why he got in trouble in the first place. This is a great example of what he would be doing in the 18th C versus the 20th. Sign of the times, maybe?? But still very confusing for a child. (NT) -- Mitzi, 21:22:44 09/30/08 Tue
        Forgot about that...they were probably in a pretty remote area. (NT) -- Rollaine, 21:31:10 09/30/08 Tue
      - Yep, I'm in Michigan, USA. I know in 1979-1980 the paddle thing was still happening. Couldn't tell you for certain when it was no longer hanging on the wall, though. My younger sisters don't remember it for their later elementary. years, so probably just a couple years after my memories is likely when it was banned. I do realize that what was happening here, is NOT indicative of the timeline for the UK, though. Just thought it might bring an interesting aside to the discussion. *G* (NT) -- Cathryn L., 19:03:56 09/30/08 Tue
        
        Wow, I don't remember that at all! I wonder if different states had different laws? Or if it is private vs. public? I went to public school in NY. (NT) -- Rollaine, 20:36:27 09/30/08 Tue
        
        Hi Rollaine--I attended public school, too. (NT) -- Cathryn_L, 05:47:50 10/01/08 Wed
        
        Geez, I really don't recall any paddles or any student ever being touched by a teacher, except that one nun who slapped my brother! (NT) -- Rollaine, 10:13:42 10/01/08 Wed
        
        Prior to Federal funds going to public schools, which began in the Nixon era, early to mid 70s, disciplinary policies were set by the local school boards and enforced by individual educators. The result was that there was a wide variance between practices among different places and different schools. My own recollection is that wooden paddles were used on the boys 12 - 14, mostly because of their being smart-aleks. (NT) -- Carol P, 13:23:50 10/01/08 Wed
        
        in TN in early 90's we had a permission slip at the beginning of the year that basically said; can we paddle your child? would you like to be there if we do? My family always said yes and yes, and that was enough for me to be an angel. (NT) -- shellb, 19:44:44 10/01/08 Wed
  - Roger tells Jem he got strapped at school, too, though, so maybe that's why he's calm about it? (NT) -- delicat, 15:19:36 09/30/08 Tue
    - And I have no doubt that he’s heard stories of how his Grandda got the strap when he was a boy too. (NT) -- Mitzi, 20:40:16 09/30/08 Tue
- I loved the bit about, "Miss Glendenning (?) might die...." Man, I don't know how I'm going to be able to wait until NEXT FALL for Echo!! (NT) -- ScarlettO, 11:40:05 09/30/08 Tue
- OOOOHHHHH SOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!! Very cute and special. So nice to see Roger and Jem together as father and son after all the trouble of the early days. (NT) -- Lady JenF, 12:49:17 09/30/08 Tue
- I thought this was an EXCELLENT excerpt. I'm SO looking forward to getting to know Jemmy as he grows up, "echoing" more & more of Jamie's self. (NT) -- Cathryn_L, 13:03:17 09/30/08 Tue
- Thank you! (NT) -- Lucy, 19:19:06 09/30/08 Tue
- Jem and the strap -- Rebecca, 03:20:10 10/02/08 Thu
Good News!! DG updated her home page Sept. 28th and it also includes 2 new Echo Excerpts. One of them is the one that was posed and retracted last week about Amy being 8 ½ months pregnant and married to Bobby Higgins. Enjoy!!! -- Mitzi, 11:58:43 09/29/08 Mon

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- And a very enjoyable update it was!! Actually, it's downright hilarious, LOL. Anyways, the links to the excerpts are at the bottom of her new entry. The link to her homepage is one of the buttons up above ^^^^^^^ there. (NT) -- Vicki, 13:40:34 09/29/08 Mon
- Tease! (NT) -- Ellen P., 19:29:25 09/30/08 Tue
  - Got to love those teasers!!! I know I do….I say, keep them coming!! (NT) -- Mitzi, 22:15:28 09/30/08 Tue
- Thanks ladies, it was worth the wait :) (NT) -- Janelle N, 08:09:29 10/01/08 Wed

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