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Date Posted: 14:21:04 09/03/02 Tue
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In reply to:
Warspite
's message, "Re: Revised Dominion vs Empire" on 09:16:30 09/03/02 Tue
>>I must say that the Empire would be the more likely
>>victors. The fighters may be unshielded but the
>>original novelization suggested that X-wings and the
>>Falcon could achieve near light speeds very easily,
>>and TIEs are much faster than X-wings.
>
>If this is the "Wedge tore out of the Death Star"
>quote, I'm going to scream! That has been shown to be
>wrong wrong WRONG so many times it's just not funny
>anymore. If you're not refering to that quote, please
>excuse my rant! :)
You know I'm really gettting sick of hearing all about how fast Trek ships can go in sublight. All you ever hear is .32c this or they covered five trillion klicks in 6 seconds at 1/4 impulse! BUT trek ships DO NOT I reapeat DO NOT go any faster "on screen" then star wars ships go. Just because they don't say how fast in percentages of the speed of light they go, or the distances covered in star wars movies, you all base their speeds on just what you see in the movies. While that is a fair way to judge things it should work for trek also. That goes for distances also. In all the big battles on [DS9] that I ever saw like "Sacrifice of Angels" none of the ships did any "Warp strafing". And the distances could be measured in meters and kilometers not thousands or tens of thousands of kilometers. And Defiant was racing through the battlefield not at .92c but what looked like around maybe 500 mph! Captain Sisko did order maximum impulse as they tore through the enemies lines. Now watching that battle unfold reminded me of ROTJ which the ships were flying around at about the same speeds (on screen)! So my point to all this is maybe, 1 Warp Straffing tactics wouldn't work in a big fleet battle and two atleast onscreen trek and wars dhips travel around at close to the same speeds. 2 saying trek ships are so much faster than starwars ships just because dialog on the show backs it up, and does not in the movies is fucked up. Watch "Yesterdays Enterprise" or any of the big battle episodes from trek pay attention to how fast the ships are moving. Don't listen to dialog (infact turn mute the TV). Then pop in any Star Wars film and watch one of their battles. Then compare them. Just on what was seen on screen not heard! You will see both apear to be the same. Buy that reasoning we might accept that for the most part that just because it isn't said how fast they go in star wars that they can't match Star Trek for speed.
>In the films, the fighters generally showed very low
>speeds in combat. Luke, stated to be at full speed,
>took minutes to traverse the DS trench which was at
>most (being very generous) a hundred km long. The
>scene from ANH where the Falcon chases the TIE at full
>speed shows very low speeds and accelerations. The
>only exception to this was the Yavin's moon to Death
>Star X-Wing example, but that was a straight line run,
>not combat (and is beaten by Trek speed and
>acceleration anyway!)
>
>> So, even if
>>TIEs are unshielded, they would be very difficult to
>>hit. Enough of them could chip away at a Jem'Hadar
>>ship and be a decisive force in the battle.
>
>Not really. Trek targeting systems are well up to the
>task of hitting them (only at point blank range). A single phaser hit might
>destroy them(not really).
>We saw in the DS trench run, that even a low speed
>impact with another TIE was enough to cause
>catastrophic damage, so even a proximity blast from a
>photon detonation would take them out. Unshielded TIE
>fighter would die in droves, and it would be very
>unlikely that any would get to attack range. At best
>they would distract the Dominion gunners from the
>capital ships for a few salvos.
>
>> Besides, >all those turbolasers and ion cannons, 120
>per > ISD and 600 on an SSD. That's alot of fire
>power for the
>>Dominion to handle.
>
>True there's a lot of firepower there, but they have
>to hit(what the hell is so hard about that). The Dominion have (without warp) about the same tactical speed
>advantage that would not make them very difficult to hit.
>Apart from the battleship, all Dominion ships are very
>agile, and so would not make difficult targets.
>
>The Dominion ships have shown themselves to be pretty
>tough and absolutely ruthless (they will ram if the
>think it will help), and there will be more than 78
>ships per Imperial ship. It would take that many!
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