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PhysicsMAN
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Date Posted: 16:54:23 09/01/02 Sun
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In reply to:
WarsGOD
's message, "Re: Galaxy class vrs Victory class." on 05:27:57 09/01/02 Sun
>>>>>>>Well maybe.....if this thread was about fleets
>>>>rather
>>>>>>>than just two ships!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nice try....no cigar! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well try this on then, they wouldn't need the
>first
>>>>>>shots with sheilds and weapons that have no
>>>>>>modulations, thus offense and defense cannot be
>>made
>>>>>>more or less effective through the use of techno
>>>>>>babble, the Empire will be Victorouis!
>>>>>
>>>>>Every type of energy operates on a frequency no
>>>matter
>>>>>how powerful.. it has to operate on specific
>>>>>frequencies for proper opertation.. The human brian
>>>>>for instance. Every here of "Brain Waves" well,
>>this
>>>>>is the a mount of energy put off by the brain
>>>(usually
>>>>>in watts) that is combination of chemical reactions
>>>in
>>>>>your body.
>>>>>
>>>>> How does this relate you ask?
>>>>>
>>>>>If star trek ships can modulate their shields to
>>>block
>>>>>at certain frequencies, conceivably they can block
>>>all
>>>>>energy in the freqencies range. If the frequency
>of
>>>>>the energy being generated is beyond the
>capabilites
>>>>>then the ship will take normal damage from the
>power
>>>>>of the weapon of choice. Now if it is true that
>the
>>>>>borg can adapt to freqencies as rapidly displayed
>in
>>>>>the TV Shows and in some of the books, then they
>>>could
>>>>>modulate their sheilding to deflect that of star
>>wars
>>>>>turbo lasers and blasters even if it has a trillion
>>>>>terrawatts of destructive nuclear force behind it,
>>if
>>>>>they adapt it the freqency of weapon being fired
>>then
>>>>>the sheilding will be able to block it.
>>Unfortunatly
>>>>>for this though it goes both ways, they maybe able
>>>to
>>>>>block the attack but they would have to redirect
>>>power
>>>>>from different area's to the centeral proccessors
>to
>>>>>increase the freqencies at which there sheilding
>>>>>operates and reduce the fire power of their weapons
>>>so
>>>>>even if they won't get hurt, the still can't do
>much
>>>>>damage to the opposing vessels.
>>>>>
>>>>>(Just like overclocking a computer proccessor for a
>>>>>program that won't run right unless you do)
>>>>>
>>>>>If the power core of federation starships where ion
>>>>>reactors like that of a star destroyers and SSD's
>>and
>>>>>so on it could generate enough power to deflect any
>>>>>bonbardment.
>>>>>
>>>>>This isn't techno babble.. this is real life
>science
>>>>>applied to this situation.
>>>>>
>>>>>A mushroom star base for example could deflect the
>>>>>fire power of a SSD if the sheild modulators can
>>>>>handle the power requirments, which on a the larger
>>>>>bases they should with no problems. Where as the
>>>>>smaller ones like the one in ST:III won't because
>>>they
>>>>>are about the size of SSD and they only generate
>>>power
>>>>>for ship refiting and self repair if needed.
>>>>>
>>>>>hope this puts things into a mach "Real Life"
>>>scenario
>>>>>for this discussion. please remember these points
>>>>>during your discussions about modulating sheilds.
>
>>>>>
>>>>>Just wanted to put in my 2 cents worth.
>>>>
>>>>Umm this is Trek-PhysicsMAN it already talks about
>>all
>>>>this in the TNG tech manual. With enough power to
>>>>block certain EM frequencies Trek ship's do seem to
>>>>have impressive shields. But it doesn't help them
>>with
>>>>suns does it. Now imagine that same raw power (scary
>>>>thing ain't it) being poored down a invisible straw
>>>>between a Turbolaser and the shield wall of a trek
>>>>ship (or any shielded star cruiser). The straw in
>>trek
>>>>terms would be a annular confinment beam ACB. No a
>>>>Star Destroyer doesn't have the power matching a G
>>>>class star coming out its turbolaser gun port. But
>it
>>>>would have enough power to overwhelm a trek ships
>>>>shields with enough applied energy even with the
>>>>shields EM FM modulation blocking capability in
>>place.
>>>>Why do say this? Because based on what you're saying
>>>>(which is discussed in the tech manual, if you
>choose
>>>>to accept that as cannon)the shields could block out
>>>>the energy given of by a sun and become immune to
>its
>>>>energy, heat, and radiation. The same things emmited
>>>>by a turbolaser, although not to that degree. We
>know
>>>>that this simply not true unless you're in the Sun
>>>>Crusher. Trek ship's can and do modulate their
>>shields
>>>>to protest themselves from al sorts of EM and
>nuclear
>>>>radiation effects but this has limits. I'm quite
>sure
>>>>that both star wars & trek have ways around this
>that
>>>>our 21st century physics cannot comprehend. Artoo
>>>>would know what I'm saying. Right Artoo?
>>>
>>>every time you say RAW (which there is no such thing
>>>as RAW energy) I am apauled. it is impossible for
>>>every single energy frequency to exisit in the same
>>>medium. Energy frequencies range from negetives to
>>>positives. If a "turbolaser" contains all known
>>>frequencies they would negate and cancel each other.
>>>Ex: -1+1=0
>>>Sorry to apaul you but the point I'm trying to make
>>it this trek ships can already do the things that you
>>suggest. It is still impossible for them to match the
>>firepower of an ISD! Because even though they might be
>>able to match the frequency they still cannot produce
>>enough energy to block all of it. besides I wasn't
>>talking about frequencies I was talking about energy
>>of various types. What you still fail to realize is
>>I'm not really disagreeing with you, but merely tring
>>to explain that even if you can block a certain
>>frequency of a certian type of energy, you still have
>>to have an equal amount of energy to block the energy
>>which requires power. This is why trek ships can block
>>harmful EM and nuclear radiation emmited from a sun.
>>But if you were going to try and fly through the sun
>>they would be destroyed because even though they can
>>block the energy (as you suggest) once come to close
>>and the level of energy intensity rises their shields
>>would buckle under the strain because the power
>>requirements would become to great. This was what I
>>was tring to get across to you. The TNG tech manual
>>already explains what you have stated in your previous
>>post. Unfortunatly that wouldn't be enough.
>>
>>
>>>Energy output in star trek is measured in Hertz..
>>>(incorrect) by their reference it should be
>referenced
>>>in cochrans. Star Trek: Generations.
>>>
>>>As for the sun. Being a natural phenomina. Refer to
>>>Star Trek IV when they slung shot around the sun with
>>>the shields up..(I meant through it not around it, in
>>my example above.) Which do recall in Deja Q that
>>the
>>>Enterprise entered the Atmosphere w/o shields. (their
>>speed had to match the at of the moon, and while yes
>>it would have been fast it wasn't anywhere near .32c)
>>Now at
>>>relativistic speeds of any where from .12c to .32c
>the
>>>hull would have reached around 38 to 40 million
>>>degrees in a matter of seconds, which is nearly
>double
>>>that of the surface of the sun and the biggest
>concern
>>>of the crew was getting out of the atmosphere because
>>>they wouldn't have been able to stop.
>>
>>Please don't tell me that you think a Trek ship would
>>survive a trip through a sun!
>>>
>>>Remember I said if the Star Trek Universe used ION
>>>reactors not the Matter Anti-Matter power cores they
>>>use now they could generate the power needed for
>>>producing the shielding that we are talking about.
>>
>>Remember "real life" physics have to be sometimes
>>ignored. Otherwise most of what we know about Trek and
>>Wars would be impossilbe to acheive, for them. Just as
>>it is for us.
>PhysicsMAN I don't know what universe you live in. But
>in my world Imperial science can alter the laws of
>physics on a whim! MUAH AH AH AH!!!!
You know there are places designed to help people like you.
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