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Date Posted: 09:36:13 05/23/04 Sun
Author: Solid Dobie
Subject: No rust

Anyone have any information on melanism that can be backed with reliable sources?

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[> Re: No rust -- pam, 23:22:45 06/30/04 Wed

what information is there except that it is a condition that causes the markings to be muddy and unclear? Since the black and rust pattern is part of breed type, it is a serious fault that no responsible breeder would breed for. The standard of the breed defines it as one with specific markings that are "clear and well defined". Flavism and melanism are not desirable. The reliable source is all the standards of the breed that have ever been written.

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[> [> Re: No rust -- Solid Dobie, 13:53:57 07/05/04 Mon

I can think of a lot of questions about melanism. Are certain bloodlines more prone? What about European dogs? Has it manifested in other places or is it solely an American problem? Are repeated black to black breedings with no red influence more likely to result in melanistic tendencies than multi colored breeding backgrounds? Are the genes connected to dilutes(blue,fawn) any less likely to have melanistic characteristics? The more a problem is understood, the easier it is dealt with.
What is Flavism?

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[> [> [> Re: No rust -- Casey (Response), 22:17:08 04/06/14 Sun

Hi , just in response to your question ..
I have a European bitch (black & tan)
And she was put with an American dog (red and tan)
And I got a whole litter of Melanistic pups!
7 pups all black

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[> [> Re: No rust -- Solid Dobie, 13:59:13 07/05/04 Mon

P.S. I know what the standard says. I want to know why. Is there any genetic condition attatched to this condition besides appearance? How does melanism relate to the health and/or ability of the dog?

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[> [> [> Re: No rust -- pam, 21:49:46 08/07/04 Sat

It has to do with breed type. It would be like having a polka dotted Doberman. The Doberman is a dog that is recognized for specific characteristics, the pattern that is designated if part of those characteristics. It does not have anything to do with dilution or breeding black to black. It has to do with breeders attempting to adhere to the standard of the breed. Why have a Doberman that doesn't look like a Doberman is supposed to look? Go to the humane society and you can find thousands of solid black dogs. No good breeder would breed for something that is directly opposed to the breed standard. Just like they don't breed for flavistic saddled Dobermans or ticked Dobermans. It is caused by someone not caring enough about adhering to the standard and I would wonder what else they didn't care enough about too. It is like that stupid "rare" stuff that people that don't know what they are doing use all the time to try to sell dogs that no one that knew or cared any better would produce in the first place. If you don't like Dobermans, don't get one. If you like Dobermans, get one that is bred by someone that knows what they are doing and cares about the breed.

What is it you like about the Doberman?

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[> [> [> [> Re: No rust -- Azz, 00:57:15 10/31/05 Mon

you, lady are an idiot

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: No rust -- Pam, 21:32:19 11/08/05 Tue

Really? And can you explain why you say that? Is it because you don't have anything else to say? Somewhat limited vocabulary.

Instead of showing what a complete idiot you are, why not address what was stated or are you incapable of doing that?

You, whatever and whomever you are, are inept as you cannot discuss the idiocy that would purposefully produce Dobermans completely lacking in breed type. Might as well get a black lab or any black mongrel and play like you have a Doberman without markings. If you don't like this breed, maybe you can have the brains to select another that is more suitable.

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[> Re: No rust -- Solid Dobe, 07:38:44 12/25/06 Mon

I suspect he called you that because instead of answering the question, you got on a soapbox. I simply asked for information. Nowhere did I encourage this type of breeding. I simply wondered if the same things that cause "King" cheetahs to be colored that way might have some connection to the reasons why melanism showed up in moths and yes, Dobermans. You never did answer, you assumed I was a breeder, which I am not. Maybe you should look at your own rudeness to find out what you are doing to promote the breeds well being instead of just being a b*tch.

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