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Deo Drake
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Date Posted: 20:15:01 06/05/03 Thu
>Some observations for de Guru, Superfan, kong, any
>other seriously debating Superman fans who don’t say
>crap like “Batman is a fag” and of course, for mouf
>and those who believe Batman to be the victor.
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>A. Most people arguing against Batman on this list
>seem to have the idea that his abilities end at his
>utility belt and the Batmobile. This leads me to
>believe that you are therefore arguing about the movie
>version of Batman. If this is the case, you are
>correct. The Batman from any of the live-action
>movies is a sub-hero and a killer. Please take him.
>
>B. The comic book version of the Dark Knight relies on
>one thing, his wits. True, he does carry some gadgets
>in his belt and true, he does have a fancy car (though
>he uses it only to drive around since the man can’t
>fly. IT DOES NOT GO UP WALLS). But he has what has
>been hailed by even Superman as the most deductive and
>strategic mind in the DC Universe. So, for all of
>you on the side of Superman who say Batman isn’t as
>smart as Superman, you obviously know nothing about
>these characters in their purest form and anything
>else you argue will hold no baring.
>
>C. I will admit, if Batman and Superman were locked in
>a twelve-foot steel room there is NO WAY Batman would
>emerge the victor. Even if he had the aid of the
>Kryptonite ring (WHICH CANNOT BE DESTROYED BY
>HEAT-VISION, IF THAT WERE THE CASE WHY WOULD IT STILL
>BE AROUND???). But to place these heroes in such a
>situation you are robbing Batman on one of his
>“powers” so to say. That power is the ability to stay
>so far ahead of his enemies or potential enemies that
>he will NEVER be placed in a situation to which there
>is no escape. You might just as well rob Superman of
>his super strength. How do you think that match would
>go between Batman and a Superman who can feel every
>blow the Dark Knight delivers, a Superman whose bones
>can be broken and who has relied so heavily for years
>on his strength that he doesn’t know how to build a
>strategy against the master fighter before him.
>Sounds pretty preposterous doesn’t it? Makes you want
>to say “That’s stupid, he’s invincible.” Well that’s
>how we Batman fans feel when you say Superman “could
>drop a house on Batman” or “blow him away with a
>fart.” Batman would never face off directly against
>the Man of Steel with no back-up plan. He would never
>allow himself to be in the position to get hit with a
>house or farted upon.
>
>D. Those of you who say Batman only wins in the comics
>because they’re “Batman” comics, you don’t really know
>what you’re talking about. True, the greatest beating
>Supes has taken from Batman was in Miller’s Dark
>Knight books but Batman has also won in Action Comics
>(THE FIRST SUPERMAN SERIES), Brave and the Bold,
>Justice League of America and Ra’s al Ghul used
>Batman’s devices to defeat Superman and the rest of
>the Justice League in JLA.
>
>E. For those of you who say Superman would go crazy if
>pushed too far and kick Batman’s ass, I agree, an
>angry, MERCILESS Superman would have a much easier
>time defeating the Dark Knight. But what could Batman
>possibly do to piss of Supes so much as to disregard
>the safety and lives of any human beings? Kill Lois?
>Batman doesn’t kill. So, to say a murderous Superman
>could beat Batman is changing the character’s
>personality. If Superman were merciless, he wouldn’t
>REALLY be Superman, would he? Batman knows all about
>Clark’s limits and how far he is willing to go. It’s
>how he survived Superman’s attack in last month’s
>Batman #112 (after punching Big Blue around for a
>couple of pages).
>
>F. So, if you alter the form of the characters (which
>is stupid in this debate, you might as well make up
>your own damn characters) Superman can win. He can
>also win if you make up a “What if” situation. But,
>in a “what if” situation Plastic-man can win too! If
>you stick to the core of the characters (in their
>comic book forms) Batman will always win as he has for
>the last 60 years. I think Superman said it best when
>he called Batman “The most dangerous man alive.”
>That was just before Batman saved the Man of Steel’s
>ass from some white Martians.
>
>Please debate any of these points with logical
>responces. If you're an idiot who can only say
>"that's stupid" or "Superman can fly, Batman's just a
>gay-man!" then I feel sorry for you.
I like those reasons, I wish I had these comics so I could check em out. Anyways Batman rules. Take a look at my message I made, I believe you agree that could be a valid reason based off the cartoons why he would win. Alright, good debator. Later.
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