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Date Posted: 14:54:40 10/09/03 Thu
In reply to:
k strahm
's message, "Logical reasons why Batman would win" on 00:14:57 03/26/03 Wed
>Some observations for de Guru, Superfan, kong, any
>other seriously debating Superman fans who don’t say
>crap like “Batman is a fag” and of course, for mouf
>and those who believe Batman to be the victor.
>
>A. Most people arguing against Batman on this list
>seem to have the idea that his abilities end at his
>utility belt and the Batmobile. This leads me to
>believe that you are therefore arguing about the movie
>version of Batman. If this is the case, you are
>correct. The Batman from any of the live-action
>movies is a sub-hero and a killer. Please take him.
>
>B. The comic book version of the Dark Knight relies on
>one thing, his wits. True, he does carry some gadgets
>in his belt and true, he does have a fancy car (though
>he uses it only to drive around since the man can’t
>fly. IT DOES NOT GO UP WALLS). But he has what has
>been hailed by even Superman as the most deductive and
>strategic mind in the DC Universe. So, for all of
>you on the side of Superman who say Batman isn’t as
>smart as Superman, you obviously know nothing about
>these characters in their purest form and anything
>else you argue will hold no baring.
>
>C. I will admit, if Batman and Superman were locked in
>a twelve-foot steel room there is NO WAY Batman would
>emerge the victor. Even if he had the aid of the
>Kryptonite ring (WHICH CANNOT BE DESTROYED BY
>HEAT-VISION, IF THAT WERE THE CASE WHY WOULD IT STILL
>BE AROUND???). But to place these heroes in such a
>situation you are robbing Batman on one of his
>“powers” so to say. That power is the ability to stay
>so far ahead of his enemies or potential enemies that
>he will NEVER be placed in a situation to which there
>is no escape. You might just as well rob Superman of
>his super strength. How do you think that match would
>go between Batman and a Superman who can feel every
>blow the Dark Knight delivers, a Superman whose bones
>can be broken and who has relied so heavily for years
>on his strength that he doesn’t know how to build a
>strategy against the master fighter before him.
>Sounds pretty preposterous doesn’t it? Makes you want
>to say “That’s stupid, he’s invincible.” Well that’s
>how we Batman fans feel when you say Superman “could
>drop a house on Batman” or “blow him away with a
>fart.” Batman would never face off directly against
>the Man of Steel with no back-up plan. He would never
>allow himself to be in the position to get hit with a
>house or farted upon.
>
>D. Those of you who say Batman only wins in the comics
>because they’re “Batman” comics, you don’t really know
>what you’re talking about. True, the greatest beating
>Supes has taken from Batman was in Miller’s Dark
>Knight books but Batman has also won in Action Comics
>(THE FIRST SUPERMAN SERIES), Brave and the Bold,
>Justice League of America and Ra’s al Ghul used
>Batman’s devices to defeat Superman and the rest of
>the Justice League in JLA.
>
>E. For those of you who say Superman would go crazy if
>pushed too far and kick Batman’s ass, I agree, an
>angry, MERCILESS Superman would have a much easier
>time defeating the Dark Knight. But what could Batman
>possibly do to piss of Supes so much as to disregard
>the safety and lives of any human beings? Kill Lois?
>Batman doesn’t kill. So, to say a murderous Superman
>could beat Batman is changing the character’s
>personality. If Superman were merciless, he wouldn’t
>REALLY be Superman, would he? Batman knows all about
>Clark’s limits and how far he is willing to go. It’s
>how he survived Superman’s attack in last month’s
>Batman #112 (after punching Big Blue around for a
>couple of pages).
>
>F. So, if you alter the form of the characters (which
>is stupid in this debate, you might as well make up
>your own damn characters) Superman can win. He can
>also win if you make up a “What if” situation. But,
>in a “what if” situation Plastic-man can win too! If
>you stick to the core of the characters (in their
>comic book forms) Batman will always win as he has for
>the last 60 years. I think Superman said it best when
>he called Batman “The most dangerous man alive.”
>That was just before Batman saved the Man of Steel’s
>ass from some white Martians.
>
>Please debate any of these points with logical
>responces. If you're an idiot who can only say
>"that's stupid" or "Superman can fly, Batman's just a
>gay-man!" then I feel sorry for you.
Ok people here is the rundown, first let me say i am a die hard batman fan, but, i am also a realist! Assuming that both combatant were forced to fight one another, let's say for instance in a football stadium for whatever reason,or in a 4x12 room for that matter! The results would be the same, even though Batman is a brilliant tactician/strategist it is a one side battle, because for all of his martial arts skill and utility belt he is still human. Which means his reflexes are still human. Case in point in the last issue of the new batman superman comics when the superman from the future shows up in the batcave and commences to kicking the present supermans ass, batman heads to his vault to get the famed kryptonite ring! Superman intercepts him at the speed of thought(or close enough) and the first thing he does is snatch his utility belt off before he can move, then he proceeds to knock him across the batcave, and before he hits the ground good the future superman has picked up one of the batmobiles! With the intention of ending the Dark Knight forever, and would have if not for the present day superman! So there you have it, as i said be it a stadium or a room, batman has no chance against a man who can outrun bullets! Before he could make a move(which to superman would look like slow motion)and before you know it he would have batmans hands restrained, and helpless! Or another scenario would be that he removed his utility belt, and they faced each other man to man in which case all superman has to do is stand there and let Batman wear himself out! I did not include other abilities such as super breath to either freeze or topple batman, or heat vision to super heat his utility belt in which case there is a high probability that something would detonate, or at least he would be forced to remove it or have it cook him! All of this is based on supermans knowledge that Batmans utility belt can hurt him and must be removed from the equation, and also on his ability to use his superspeed! Also on his vow not to kill, just imagine if he had gone insane!!!!! All in all i think that from the word go, that the battle would last all of 1-10 seconds depending on supes method of attack!
Even if they were to face each other on ground of batmans choosing there is nothing that batman could do that superman could not survive. Given the fact that superman is susceptible to ultrasonics,flash grenades, and gases only if surprised! Batman would have to knock out all of these senses at once to become a threat. But with his super hearing, he could hear batmans heartbeat and track him with x-ray vision. Also take into consideration, most people are assuming that they both have planned for this fight, where as i am going from a forced confrontation point of view! There are very few scenarios that batman would have a chance besides fighting in a kryptonite surrounding! Superman could fight batman from a distance, from underground even! He could throw objects at Batman! Even if batman was hiding superman could search him out nearly as fast as the flash could!
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