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Subject: Only goes to show how ugly is Enga nowadays


Author:
Robert Moniker
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Date Posted: Thu, Jun 05 2008, 07:26:07am
In reply to: Kafu Kstar 's message, "Inhuman Act" on Wed, Jun 04 2008, 10:49:14pm

Despite the protestations by the priest Enga continues to show how depraved the province has become since Ipatas became Lord over all Engans. It is time perhaps for the Indonesians to cross the border and rule Enga?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Only goes to show how ugly is Enga nowadays


Author:
outsider
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Date Posted: Thu, Jun 05 2008, 02:06:24pm

There have been some disturbing violent crimes in PNG especially against innocent people, but to say that "the Indonesians should rule" no way hozay"

Human rights violations against East Timorese was shocking, the Indonesian rule in West Papua continues with Human rights violations.

Theys Eluay was tortured and killed by Indonesian soldiers. Filep Karma and Yusak Pakage, where given 10/15 years jail for flying the "Morning Star" flag.

Just a few thoughts to think about.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Only goes to show how ugly is Enga nowadays


Author:
Fr. Robert Plews Laka, SVD (Enga is still the best)
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Date Posted: Thu, Jun 05 2008, 07:03:33pm

Enga is still the best and will always be the best. Few culprits and media portrayal of Enga does not represent the true spirit of Enga our ancestors had lived and certainly a very good number of Engans live till now. This will certainly not change my patriotism for Enga for what she is today. She is still the best. However, it needs a collective voice and spirit to say no to the violence presented. Compared to Iraq, some parts of Africa, Middle East, Lebanon, you name is, Enga is certainly not one like them. (She might be in the long run if let gone un-attended but its never too late, then to say, this it is so). I have seen enough depraved regions and countries, but certainly not Enga as a whole. It only needs a visionary leader to bring back Enga and PNG as a whole to be competitive with the rest of the world.

It takes an Engan to clean up the Engan backyard and not another person or country as proposed by my friend Mr. Monike. We are capable to manage our own backyard. Ipatas hasn’t started one yet, at least from a Sustainable Human Development perspective. I believe, a few Engans need to change the “nambame pingiak” and “namba ipi puu palere” mentality to a more service oriented mentality.

Blessings

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[> [> [> Subject: If not Indonesian rule, then how about Palau?


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Robert Moniker
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Date Posted: Sun, Jun 08 2008, 06:15:56am

If the good priest has an aversion to the Indonesians, maybe for some accountable racist reason, then perhaps he may allow the thought of Palau ruling Enga. After all, they are fellow Melanesians. Okay! Maybe that thought is too much strain for the brain to handle. How about Timor Leste? They are Melanesians? They could rule Enga and show the world that with some sensible thinking Enga can eventually be an okay place.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: If not Indonesian rule, then how about Palau?


Author:
Fr. Robert Plews Laka, SVd (I need no outsiders)
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Date Posted: Sun, Jun 08 2008, 07:42:18am

Mr. Monike, I don't know if you have fathomed the essence of what I have posted(I doubt if you have visited my blog). Lest you forgot, I need no other outsiders to decide what is best for me as an Engan and the rest of Enga. ONLY AN ENGAN and I mean, ONLY AN ENGAN WITH A VISIONARY MIND and GENEROUS HEART WILL CLEAN THE ENGAN BACKYARD. Only an Engan will bring glory to Enga and ONLY A PAPUA NEW GUINEAN will bring PNG to face the challenges of the modern era. I need no outsiders, thank you. Besides, these are not question of racist and/or aversions you may presume I may have or may have had against other righful sovereignties. Again, you got me wrong here with your delusions and misjudgements if I may say my friend, and by the way, I don't have any bias thoughts or feelings againsts my fellow human being, nor Indonesians, (in fact I have great Indonesian friends and classmates and people of other race, culture and ideologies, with whom I have learnt to live side by side with them, sharing the common grounds of HUMANITY). On the other hand, I got somethign for you Mr. Monike. You haven't answered my querry I have posted earlier. I really don't know if you are for real and if ever you are an Engan or a Papua New Guinean. Pen names are illusions and fake which provokes baseless arguments without any substances that lead to nothing at all. Give me something, which I can share my thoughts to speak my heart out. Em ol toktok na suggestions bilong yu ya, i olsem, liklik pikinini pasim wara wantaim "mandau" ino gat stone ya, barata.

Blessings.

Fr. Robert, SVD

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