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Subject: Inhuman Act


Author:
Kafu Kstar (not happy)
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Date Posted: Wed, Jun 04 2008, 10:49:14pm

There has been a crucifixion of a fellow Engan reported on the National Newspaper dated 4th June, 2008. As it was in the front pf the paper and some bystanders treated it as it was a norm for the Engans which painted a bad picture for the whole province. It stated that the person was metally retarded but also the newspaper reported that the executed was married with five children.

This was a inhuman act where people around the country will be afraid to come and serve in Enga. There are Laws in place for the people who take the lives of other people. Please we the people of Enga must think before we take any actions.

BY A CONCERNED ENGAN.
PAND KYAK

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Author:
KLagaipT3
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Date Posted: Wed, Jun 04 2008, 11:56:40pm

Kaim, that's a concern worth raising..

This was indeed an uncivilized act. Tribal justice is spontaneous, brutally savage, and without merit. I guess to appease the slain victum's relatives and avoid retaliation, the act was automatic and premeditated without remorse. But to publicly crucify someone in such a horrible manner is unheard of! I would've hoped for his handover to the police and some healthy detoxification efforts but this is completely insane! I am disturbed by this..

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[> Subject: Only goes to show how ugly is Enga nowadays


Author:
Robert Moniker
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Date Posted: Thu, Jun 05 2008, 07:26:07am

Despite the protestations by the priest Enga continues to show how depraved the province has become since Ipatas became Lord over all Engans. It is time perhaps for the Indonesians to cross the border and rule Enga?

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Author:
outsider
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Date Posted: Thu, Jun 05 2008, 02:06:24pm

There have been some disturbing violent crimes in PNG especially against innocent people, but to say that "the Indonesians should rule" no way hozay"

Human rights violations against East Timorese was shocking, the Indonesian rule in West Papua continues with Human rights violations.

Theys Eluay was tortured and killed by Indonesian soldiers. Filep Karma and Yusak Pakage, where given 10/15 years jail for flying the "Morning Star" flag.

Just a few thoughts to think about.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Only goes to show how ugly is Enga nowadays


Author:
Fr. Robert Plews Laka, SVD (Enga is still the best)
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Date Posted: Thu, Jun 05 2008, 07:03:33pm

Enga is still the best and will always be the best. Few culprits and media portrayal of Enga does not represent the true spirit of Enga our ancestors had lived and certainly a very good number of Engans live till now. This will certainly not change my patriotism for Enga for what she is today. She is still the best. However, it needs a collective voice and spirit to say no to the violence presented. Compared to Iraq, some parts of Africa, Middle East, Lebanon, you name is, Enga is certainly not one like them. (She might be in the long run if let gone un-attended but its never too late, then to say, this it is so). I have seen enough depraved regions and countries, but certainly not Enga as a whole. It only needs a visionary leader to bring back Enga and PNG as a whole to be competitive with the rest of the world.

It takes an Engan to clean up the Engan backyard and not another person or country as proposed by my friend Mr. Monike. We are capable to manage our own backyard. Ipatas hasn’t started one yet, at least from a Sustainable Human Development perspective. I believe, a few Engans need to change the “nambame pingiak” and “namba ipi puu palere” mentality to a more service oriented mentality.

Blessings

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[> [> [> Subject: If not Indonesian rule, then how about Palau?


Author:
Robert Moniker
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Date Posted: Sun, Jun 08 2008, 06:15:56am

If the good priest has an aversion to the Indonesians, maybe for some accountable racist reason, then perhaps he may allow the thought of Palau ruling Enga. After all, they are fellow Melanesians. Okay! Maybe that thought is too much strain for the brain to handle. How about Timor Leste? They are Melanesians? They could rule Enga and show the world that with some sensible thinking Enga can eventually be an okay place.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: If not Indonesian rule, then how about Palau?


Author:
Fr. Robert Plews Laka, SVd (I need no outsiders)
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Date Posted: Sun, Jun 08 2008, 07:42:18am

Mr. Monike, I don't know if you have fathomed the essence of what I have posted(I doubt if you have visited my blog). Lest you forgot, I need no other outsiders to decide what is best for me as an Engan and the rest of Enga. ONLY AN ENGAN and I mean, ONLY AN ENGAN WITH A VISIONARY MIND and GENEROUS HEART WILL CLEAN THE ENGAN BACKYARD. Only an Engan will bring glory to Enga and ONLY A PAPUA NEW GUINEAN will bring PNG to face the challenges of the modern era. I need no outsiders, thank you. Besides, these are not question of racist and/or aversions you may presume I may have or may have had against other righful sovereignties. Again, you got me wrong here with your delusions and misjudgements if I may say my friend, and by the way, I don't have any bias thoughts or feelings againsts my fellow human being, nor Indonesians, (in fact I have great Indonesian friends and classmates and people of other race, culture and ideologies, with whom I have learnt to live side by side with them, sharing the common grounds of HUMANITY). On the other hand, I got somethign for you Mr. Monike. You haven't answered my querry I have posted earlier. I really don't know if you are for real and if ever you are an Engan or a Papua New Guinean. Pen names are illusions and fake which provokes baseless arguments without any substances that lead to nothing at all. Give me something, which I can share my thoughts to speak my heart out. Em ol toktok na suggestions bilong yu ya, i olsem, liklik pikinini pasim wara wantaim "mandau" ino gat stone ya, barata.

Blessings.

Fr. Robert, SVD

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[> Subject: Re: Inhuman Act


Author:
Engan Lenge
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Date Posted: Mon, Jun 09 2008, 10:05:44am

It is illogical to think some outside hologans will revive Enga. It is also shameful for us to denounce Enga in an unthoughful way. I firmly believe that 99.99% of Engans are proud to be Engans. We need to give Enga a visionary leadership and Enga will be a model for PNG. I don't to elaborate that Enga is unique many ways. Why do we still have to talk about and dwell on the current mismanagement of others. Let us build our own vision for Enga and what role we as individuals can play to change Enga. Enga will prosper is the 'Vision'.

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Author:
Robert Moniker (Olgeta toktok)
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Date Posted: Tue, Jun 10 2008, 06:03:54am

It is all very well to dwell in Toktok Land, wantoks, but the reality is: ENGA STINKS. There is no alternate reality. You have elected an arch criminal to be YOUR governor. It is you, the Engans, who are to blame for the malady that strangles a once fine PNG province. You have a priest [I suppose it is a priest] who keeps propping up the evils that beset Enga, as if he were proud of sin. You have all the natural wealth in the world but yet you waste it all. What actual advantages have been gained from the Porgera output? Is tourism developing in Enga as it should be? No, it isn't. And that is because you Engans allow criminals to rule not only the government but also the roads as bandits continually rob travellers in Enga. It is a lawless place and you seem to be proud of this fact. Shame upon you Engans.

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Author:
Fr. Robert Plews Laka, SVD (Enga is HOME)
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Date Posted: Tue, Jun 10 2008, 05:08:09pm

Thank you Mr. Moniker for your comments. After all, now it seems to me that you are not an Engan, nor a Papua New Guinean, even if you haven’t directly answered my question, your words did, thus they rules out my query on your identity. I believe you must have come from an affluent society which puts you in a position like this to criticize Enga. Because as far as I know, any Engan born of an Engan blood, so long as it is an Engan blood or PNG blood have its roots back to the land where their parents, grandparents or great grandparents have come from. Denial of any family historical roots is a denial of one’s self integrity, which makes him/her a fake who caries masks around wherever he/she go. With this, I’ll take your comments as an outsider’s criticism, hence my response, lest you know less about Enga.

Enga may be a toktok land, so as other provinces in PNG, which means the other 19 provinces of PNG are no exception to it. (It is the same with other places in the world). To say, there is no alternate reality is to say, there is no hope and a person who does not have hope is a person who takes mundane experiences for granted. Such a person has no tolerance for any realities presented and likes to point fingers to others when he/she cannot accomplish anything. Enga has a 60 or so years since the first missionary encounter and the first church still stands, from Pompabos to the central Enga, to eastern side of Enga to the Laigam/Porgera areas. Some of these people are still alive. When these people’s children are growing up to quench the realities of modern politics and are very vulnerable to any deceit and cunningness presented by any “mi save man” who have personal interests before collective interests. Such people had manipulated the democratic voting process and certainly, the current governor was not “voted” in into office just like the way your people, Mr. Moniker may have, rather some foul plays, thus I refuse to call it a “vote” per se. Despite my stand on the term in the previous posts, you insist to use the term “vote”. To me, it shows some naďve thoughts which lacks through reflections before any debates. People like you who may have come from affluent societies are suppose to read every line of individuals’ comments before making your comments that repeats same word which I don’t want to use.

True enough, Enga has all the natural wealth in the world which was not only wasted, but was also used unwisely without clear accountability. As a result, we are facing the consequence of it. It is our problem created by our leaders which we hope we will turn the page of that history around. We hope it will be soon because we have enough children studying to clean our backyard. This includes tourism, law and order and other services required to bring back the good old times of Enga. Enga has a population which is manageable and it is not hard. Given the fact that I had a parish of a quarter of a million parishioners in the Philippines, I was able to run the parish for 3 years with the help of 4 other assistant parish priests. Enga is manageable. (This is not a question of Filipinos are educated and Enga is not, but is a question of management and leadership skills). Any person in Enga can and will do it.

Finally, Mr. Moniker, Enga has a priest who is a “pain in the ass” for many cunning personalities in the province, who negates sin and every malicious behaviors but not the sinner who is prompted to commit any sinful act due to the situation the person might be in. Again it seems you didn’t grasped the nature of my post regarding Enga. You may have had only a collective reading and later pop up from nowhere to put out baseless arguments that shows repeated statements in different words. It appears to me that, you have no in-depth sights into my position. Lest you didn’t read, I said, Enga has problems as you have highlighted (AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THEM) but they are certainly not the same as other countries which I have been to. Enga has problems which many of us condemn but Enga’s situation today is not the same as the situation presented in other parts of the world. Other parts of the world pose pictures and realities that are more sad and painful to hear or see then Enga. I know I have lost many of my loved ones in tribal fights. Some of my family members have become victims of rascals. Many a thing had happened, but these are nothing compared to the pain and sufferings the citizens of other parts of the world are going through. Enga and PNG is at the brink of becoming one however, it is not very late to stop Enga from doing so.

Finally, the priest’s name you hear in this blog is the name you will continue to hear among the Catholics of Enga. (Thought I have not celebrated mass in Kandep, Laigam, Porgera and Kasap or Wanepap, other catholic churches in Enga are aware of the name). One of her son is a priest and that will ease your doubt about this priest in this blog.

If these lengthy explanations I post doest not satisfy you, then what more can I say? I guess it not worthy debating with you. I am afraid, you may lack the ability to digest my position and my words may fall into “twister’s abyss”.

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Author:
Robert Moniker (Once an Engan)
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Date Posted: Wed, Jun 11 2008, 06:26:51am

Priest, I was once an Engan. I was proud to be Engan. Now I am not. Nothing you have written in your terribly self serving manner, can obfuscate the maladies that paralyse Enga, my home. Why have not you confronted Ipatas to demand he account for his crimes?

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Author:
Fr. Robert Plews Laka (Once an Engan, always an Engan)
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Date Posted: Wed, Jun 11 2008, 10:46:41am

Thanks kaim Moniker. You were once an Engan, sorry to hear that you are no longer Engan now. All these time I though you were an outsider talking AS IF you are not of Engan origin and that you hate Enga. Many share sentiments about the maladies of Enga, yes, we all do, but that does not take away the Engan root. After all WE ALL ARE ENGANS. Had you been specific about your resentments about Enga, Ipatas, for instance then, the tone of the message would have been different. I am sorry I have been in a mess with many foreign intellectuals and academes abroad who have called PNG and Enga "cannibals" over the table, not knowning I am an Engan. Apparently it is natrual for me to acknowledge our maladies at the same time defend my home. I KNOW WE HAVE PROBLEMS but they are not commitment by all Engans. Only a few Engans do, which paint the whole picture bad and I won't buy that, as if all is bad. You may call my position about Enga as "self serving manner" but let me be clear kaim, these are my reasons of my patriotism for Enga. Enga may be bad, but be sure that you will receive reactions from many goodhearted sons and daughters of Enga, that she is not that bad at all. After all, Enga is home.

About Ipatas, Moniker, I have confronted him and his officials in different occasions. I suggested many possibilities. My suggestions fall into bad ears. What do I do next, I support those who want to dethrone him. As long as I live, I will do that. Sorry, wasn't home when the election was on last year. Was late. This time, next election, I will support someone who will take him down. Some of us are not happy with the way his current administration is functioning. Kaim, your Enga and my Enga, OUR Enga is not what is supposed to be, but the irony is THE ADMINISTRATION. That shall be our focus of discussions, not Enga in general per se.

Blessings.

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Author:
SB
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Date Posted: Sat, Jun 14 2008, 01:21:35am

Moniker

Let the true Engans worry about the current situation in Enga. You were "Once an Engan", and you aren't any more so why are you bothered. Leave Enga to the Engans to decide it's destiny.

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Author:
Robert Moniker (Leave Enga to die)
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Date Posted: Sat, Jun 14 2008, 05:45:36am

SB or is it SOB? Leave Enga to the Engans? Oh so that's the story, is it? One has to have a ticket or permission to criticise Enga or to evaluate or question what the hell went wrong with a perfectly good society? Is that the story? We who see the mess you Engans have made of MY home are not allowed to question the idiots who have made the mess? SB or is it SOB?

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[> Subject: Re: Inhuman Act


Author:
SB
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Date Posted: Sat, Jun 14 2008, 06:50:56pm

Moniker,

All your posting in this forum have been so negative about Enga without any constructive suggestion to get it back on track. It looks like you fled Enga for whatever reason but Enga has not changed much. There are few lazy people who are putting up road blocks along the roads and robbing people, and probably about 1% of the population are involved in tribal conflicts. This isn't anything new, it's an age old tradition, I doubt it will end soon anyway. So what was your point anyway.

Moniker, I belt my bottom dollar you are probably living somewhere else, not in Enga. Yu mas stap olsem "Acting Pupua" or "acting white man" tasol mi no save yu strongpela Enga tu oh??

I think you were only stage showing here. I don't see any value debating with someone with a dog's mind.

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