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Subject: Re: Departments in a mess: Bonga


Author:
Wano
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 03 2007, 01:43:39pm
In reply to: Sync 's message, "Departments in a mess: Bonga" on Mon, Dec 03 2007, 11:40:24am

Not very impressive for someone with enviable academic records....what a shame?

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Author:
Ulutainge
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 03 2007, 02:25:17pm

Listen Asshole,

In case you forgot, the Department was in charge of by Kambori in past 5 years. Did you stop to thing that maybe he was the one who discovered this crisismanagement going on in the dept. Passim hul bilon yu na toktok stret.. Yup sumatin o?

Sori ol lain. I'm sic and tird of small bois talking about 1 MP when these idiots in Aussie and PNG unis have nothing good to contribute to..

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Author:
Ulutainge
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 03 2007, 02:57:49pm

Another mistak by the newspaper yur little head has fallen for. Again, I tink PK is vice-minister of the dept. NOT director of ORD.

Don't be pinhead like your brather Enga Arsebuttsman and get your facts stret..

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Author:
Sync
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 03 2007, 03:40:00pm

Ulutainge,

I don't think it's necessary to swear in this forum, you should assess the situation and give some constructive criticism if you have anything to say.

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Author:
Ulutainge
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 03 2007, 04:02:48pm

Small boy Sync

What construct critics have yu put in here! Pasim hul blong you tuu!!

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Author:
Sync
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 03 2007, 04:20:58pm

My point in puting up the topic was to show how disgraceful the Lagaip MP was when he was the head of this DRD and running under this corrupt circumstances. I hope he will fix this up when he is a MP and vice minister for DRD.

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Author:
KLagaipT3
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 03 2007, 10:32:02pm

Sync

Are you implying that the current mess within the department is a result of PK's oversight? May I remind you that the MP has been absent from the department effective as of September 2002 and has only returned in the August of this year (2007). I find your "disgraceful" connotation distasteful as it deserves to be attached to the incumbent Secretary of 5 years, Mr. Valentine Kambori. I would be careful in labeling Engan leaders if I were you..

Peace!

KLagaipT3
03.12.3007

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Author:
Sync
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Date Posted: Tue, Dec 04 2007, 07:04:24pm

When people say corruption has been systemic and systematic, it means corruption has evolved through time and has become chronic to the people who have been involved with. I don't think corruption in these depts evolved in the last 5 years, however, if PK has have had hinted these corrupt practices during his time, it would be obvious for people to note his changes but to me it sounds like he was part and partial of it.

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Author:
KLagaipT3
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Date Posted: Tue, Dec 04 2007, 08:42:10pm

Since Sir Mekere spoke those famous words ("systematic and systemic") over a year ago, it has become an almost unanimous view of the public's perception of bureaucratic management (top, middle, bottom)-"corrupt". And boy have we take it for granted! I am sure your adopted words, though generalized and undeserved, apply to those ethical and hardworking officials within the bureaucracy. Those individuals who sweat the full working hours and take their families to church on Sundays. Corruption unfortunately has been an ongoing practice post-1975 and even since Eve was decieved by the devil into taking that apple at the Gardent of Eden. Should not the word be applied categorically to define the characters of successive department heads, politicians, and officials within the bureaucracy? Or to you and I?

Because I must remind you (and other forumers out there) that the word does not only define the actual "action", though wrongful and unethical it may be, but it also defines our tolerance and condonement of alleged crime and unethical practices at a personal level. Corruption has existed since the dawn of time. Ironically, here is another simplified definition of the word "corruption" for your education which labells ALL actors within the bureaucracy and society as "corrupt".

"THE FAILURE TO DO THE RIGHT THING WHEN WARRANTED".

Boy aren't we all "corrupt" in our own silly, little ways!! And in all due honesty, what potential is there for you or I to be better than our predecessors?! Nevertheless, at society's upper echelons of bureaucracy and politics, the least we can do right now is to rectify the situation through the empowerment of institutional "watchdogs" and support of experienced politicians who are willing revamp a defunct system which is liable to transform for the worst within a period of 5 years. [Hey! This is PNG where anything can happen to suit the incumbent secretary or department head's whims.] But secretaries come and go and so do politicians, but what about the career public servant within the department? Should not they shoulder some of the blame?

Besides your lack of evidence and capacity to hold an allegation in a court of law, you should at least give credit to Vice-Minister PK for his current efforts to restore accountability and competency in the department's handling of billions of kina. [In a democratic or "guided" democrate state of governance, corruption will continue long after you and I are gone, my friend.]

KLagaipT3
04.12.2007

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Author:
KLagaipT3
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Date Posted: Tue, Dec 04 2007, 08:57:09pm

"Corruption is endemic in society".

KLagaipT3
04.12.2007

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Author:
Sync
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 05 2007, 09:45:54am

KLagaipT3,

I agree with you that corruption has embedded and interwoven into society from Adam and Eve days, however, the PNG government departments/statutory bodies have notably and immensely indulge into this evil practice for a long time, more so after 1975.
I also agree that the MPs and bureaucratic heads come and go at political will and most importantly the public servants have been infected with this chronic disease for a long time.
Therefore, as the vice minister I wish and hope that PK would expose and change to his ability and current capacity.

I wish him all the best.

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Author:
KLagaipT3
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 05 2007, 10:39:01am

Kaim, Sync

Let me try something through Vice-Minister PK. Let's try to achieve something. Give me some time.... My mouth's dry right now....

KLagaipT3
05.12.2007

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[> [> Subject: Re: Departments in a mess: Bonga


Author:
Wano
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 03 2007, 02:35:07pm

I thought Valentine Kambori was and is still the head of DNP and PKK was head of DRD. The report by PAC condemns both depts.

Hope you don't condone inefficiency...

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Author:
Ulutainge
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 03 2007, 02:58:53pm

Another mistak by the newspaper yur little head has fallen for. Again, I tink PK is vice-minister of the dept. NOT director of ORD.

Don't be pinhead like your brather Enga Arsebuttsman and get your facts stret..

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