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Subject: Re: Now you're thinking - Ipatas!!!


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richard
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 12 2007, 11:16:34am
In reply to: Chicko 's message, "Now you're thinking - Ipatas!!!" on Tue, Dec 11 2007, 09:38:34am

Well said 61 and Engan Lenge.

However, I would like to frankly stress likely reasons, though may sound political, that I thing might add values to the cancellation of the policy. These reasoning are based on experiences and the scope of argument will be on University Scenarios.

1. The university students are the most smart arses around virtually talking 'empty dumpty bigs". Since the years I have attended university, only 30% to 45% appreciated such an effort put in by the EPG. The others saw as a windfall to have plenty beer. Hope everyone agrees on this! Most said, "em no money blo em...”well, that might literally sound substantial, but in practical it is not. Only people with guts can make things happen.

2. Graduates are sponsoring tribesman with weapons (rifles) in tribal conflicts, either directly or indirectly. And us graduates are the most critics of the government of the day, especially on its weaknesses without contributing effectively by suggesting constructive and well structured ideas and make it work through. If one cannot get through to put his ideas into reality, I guess you have contacts with the political cronies to push forward such. It will only be proper for EPG to continue funding/implementing the policy only if graduates and students don't become harsh critics.

3. Not all university students are engan students benefiting from this policy. There are some other Tom Dick and Harries names included. What do you want? Wrong blo mipla yet. The excess funds are not acquainted properly. I know, I was exchanging punches with a club president and his treasurer when juniors from my village and electorates' names were removed and replaced by ghosts names. I tell you, i lodged a complain and the following year, the amount was less.

4. 95% of the Students become lazy and roam the streets of Wabag town, hagen town, Pogera, POM and Lae literally doing nothing during there vacation. They supposed to go back and help their parents do the damn dirty jobs. They can't go home and toil the land when they know that EPG is paying for the fee!

On this note, I would suggest and have suggested on many oaccasions through my letters in the media using pen names that a Fully Subsidized Education Policy or HR policy is not needed for the betterment of enga. It should be a 50 - 50 responsibility for the gov't and the parents and kids ourself. A top 5 or 10 students full scholarship is also a great idea suggested by Engan Lenge.

I agree with Ipatas' statement the "parents are becoming Lazy". I don't need to explain, you have to go home and hear and see what is happening back home. But a correction on his wordings, it should be "OUR" children and not "YOUR" children. This contradicts his vision of the HR policy.

We know that no major/impact economical projects have been established were the people can actively participate to generate enough income earnings. If he was serious with his HR policy, he should have looked at bringing back graduates into the province through innovative brainstorming establishment of vital economic projects. Sadly, this essential catalyst to development of ENGA as been overlooked or neglected.

Anyway, thanks Governor, this will open the eyes of the critics and lazy people to think twice as hard as to look for avenues to earn their education. Now, I predict that critics rate at universities will increase to 98% without genuine reasoning and will make all kinds of assumptions and eventually will attack him on his personal life through media.

Sometimes its good to sit back and review then to jump on a running trailer!

Richard

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Enga Ombudsman
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 12 2007, 01:02:26pm

Richard made some good points but I have to make some corrections for him to think again.

1. Enga governor has only paid K1000. for all students in the tertiary insitutions around the country. HEre in UPNG, school fee for a self sponsor student is K5000 and the std pays the K4000 himself. An HECAS fee is K2255. The EPG pays K1000 and we pay the other K1255.
The AES fee is K1125 and we only pay K125. But most stds fall under HECAS and Self sponsor. you work it out.

2. On your second paoint, you have insulted the freedom to expression which is sated in the constitution. Why do you want the graduates to shut thier guts on national issues. come on..we are Engans ...Big Engans. We have to express our feelings.

And finally you must know that Some of us really comes from the very remote areas like Maramuni, paiela, HEwa, Yangis and etc where we see the EPG as our only hope.

Richard, if you have visited Enga recently, there is a clear sign of poverty....even people living below poverty level. Enga Economy is made up of Bettle Nut, Smoke, Beer Clubs, Container Stores, SecondHAnd clothes and sipsip parali market.
There was no money in our people's pockets. there was even no pigs to sell, tribal fifghts everywhere, no markets to sell our goods.
We really need EPG to pay some of our fees, not all but K1000 or K500 as usual.

thanks

Enga Ombudsman

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[> [> Subject: Next time, accept corrections, Uni Schoolboy!


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KLagaipT3
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 12 2007, 04:58:57pm

UPNG Enga Schoolboy

You have been corrected by me THRICE on this forum before blowing the matter out of proportion by resorting to the media. As the self-proclaimed uni student you are, you should have accepted that the correction and rationale coming from me was legitimate as I am bound by blood to the MP you attempted to defame in the media. I even communicate with him regularly via Parliamentary e-mails and phone. But no, you stubbornly resorted to the media to vent your frustrations. The two local newspapers have been known to unprofessionally report whole unsubstantiated stories, and wouldn't you think it would be easier to misquote or misrepresent a mere number (K5000) rather than a whole story?!!

Mature and educated people should simply try to use the God-given common sense bestowed upon them. Besides that, you do not hold a professional ombudsman license to require a response from an elected representative of Parliament. Thus being a simple schoolboy you should at least see eye to eye with me, the son of the MP. How can you ever be an ombudsman or mature citizen if you cannot accept simple and authorized corrections?!

Not surprisingly, you have portrayed yourself to be an IMBECILE, with an IQ no better than a stubborn 3 year old baby, rather than one who openly seeks justice and truth. What is the difference between me publishing the facts compared to the MP's own executive officer? Didn't you understand the plain English laid out before you?! I have been in universities longer than you and I know when to accept authentic information coming from viable sources. You unfortunately cannot discern what is authentic or not, nor maybe, right or wrong!

Well, I must say you have made a laughingstock of yourself and your peers at UPNG, before this Forum and the nation. And you have been justly rebuked might I add. I wonder what those students whom you needlessly listed in the newspaper think of you now? (I know some of them personally and I'm sure you won't be getting any moral support.) If you are so serious about combating social issues such as HIV/AIDS and tribal warfare, I would suggest you start with your own backyard. Preach to your tribes and communities and put a personally concerted effort to attract political and public attention. I'm sure your HIV/AIDS certified students hail from areas throughout the province so you can return to your respective towns and villages for the holidays to preach the message with a notebook in hand. You do not need to talk about money all the time! Engan MPs have their own policies and plans on how to curb the social issues inflicting their electorates and province, and they can simply overlook you without a care in the world. And believe me, after your unnecessary mumbling in the papers, I must say you have done more harm than good for your student body's cause. I know firsthand that Polye, Kikala, Kaeok, Pundari and Ipatas have resolved NOT to entertain you students. Neither will you be recieving school fee subsidies next year (2008) apparently so keep striving in school and for your schoolboy's campaign initiative! I commend you for that!

As for me, I will focus on the issues at an electoral level through the Office of the Lagaip-Porgera MP.

KLagaipT3
12.12.2007

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