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Subject: Don Polye's Form of macroeconomics in Kandep


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spy
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Date Posted: Wed, Jan 24 2007, 12:36:31pm

The recent media report of Don Polye's version of macroeconomics in Kandep is distributing cash handouts to his faithful supporters.
Makes you wonder the so-called leader is capable of.

spy

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[> Subject: Re: Don Polye's Form of macroeconomics in Kandep


Author:
Cool_Guy1
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Date Posted: Wed, Jan 24 2007, 01:12:06pm

Mind you, elections can make sitting members feel nervous. When election time is getting closer, they feel their blood pressure increasing and all they think about is "whether they will make it through and return to their cozy chairs and cars in Port Moresby of start polishing someone elses shoe to make a living".

It is not only Polye who is going through this. I hear Mr Little America (Yarka) is distributing cash and buying vehicles for his former supporters.

Personally, i would accept the cash handouts now for the services that they never rendered during their 5 year term and vote for someone else in the 2007 elections.

Cool_Guy1

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[> [> Subject: Re: Don Polye's Form of macroeconomics in Kandep


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By stander
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Date Posted: Wed, Jan 24 2007, 06:30:09pm

Cool guy, taking money and voting someone else isn't want honesty and transparency is about. Why accept the money if you are to vote for someone else? This is what "wolf in sheep skin" is about. Educated Engans doing this is a sign immaturity. Simply stay away from it or refuse it if you really are what you are.

bystander

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Don Polye's Form of macroeconomics in Kandep


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KLagaipT3
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Date Posted: Wed, Jan 24 2007, 09:59:05pm

No, I think Cool Guy has a point! It's better for one educated Engan to take the bribe, then for a dozen die hard primitives prepared to resort to violence and coersion. Either way, the money belongs to the people ultimately. Nevertheless, it can never be taken as an excuse for the MP's failure to perform within the allocated 5 year term.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Don Polye's Form of macroeconomics in Kandep


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bystander
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Date Posted: Wed, Jan 24 2007, 11:25:24pm

Why take the money in the name of "people's money"? Don't you think this is 'soft bribery'? You don't have to reason it out to say this is people's money. This is simple logic and decietful. Don't you think it affect the conscience of the person who takes it? If you don't have conscience then you don't have guilt. Well, you may argue saying this is not stealing, but remember, 'receiving people's money this way is participating in theft indirectly', isn't it. Best way is not to take it at all.

Why not you as an educated TELL your "die hard primitive people not to take it, even if they resolve to it? I don't see the logic here.

Bystander

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KLagaipT3
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Date Posted: Fri, Jan 26 2007, 12:25:55am

Bystander, you might never be able to comprehend what "natural" justice is to the Engan perception. [I, as a single soul in all my social limitations can never cause a change of mentality because a villager's monetary need tends to supercede all forms of opposing rationale.] Now I agree with you that a white lie should never be accepted and neither a "soft bribe" at that. But unless somebody legitimate from within the electorate accepts that token of money, than goodness knows where else the money would most likely accumulate (in a concealed IBD account perhaps). This matter raises a serious ethical question that has no valid answer because it varies depending on your perspective (i.e. educated elite, grassroot, village leader, common villager, etc.). Who is most deserving? No one, but collectly, we all deserve the lump sum in equal proportions but it is rather impossible to distribute fairly! Instead we the public should demand utilities and physical infrastructures that will benefit everyone (both users and freeriders).

Unfortunately, we can NEVER unwind the last 5 years so that the failed politician may re-attempt to prove himself! Forgive me for my bluntness (though it hurts), but its better to give to the few "selected" poor than for the MP to keep everything for himself. Isn't this what defines the politics of the undeveloped world and of the "natural flow" of resources from the haves to the have-nots?! Elected representatives at the national, provincial and local level government tend to concentrate resources in areas affilated to their base of support (i.e. votes). Last minute cash handouts are no different.

I totally detest this idea of bribery in all forms, but if that's the game Mr. Yarka is going to play, then good luck to him! BECAUSE HE'LL DEFINATELY NEED IT, IF HE'S WORTHY ENOUGH! Cool_Guy1 has exposed the realities of Kappa Yarka's decieving tactics and you can be sure those mindless "primitives" who accept his 2 Kinas will be on hand to orchestrate the elections, though futile their efforts will be. At the end of the day, it's the village leaders and their people who will decide. Regardless of how much money is circulated in the small confines of an electorate, Mr. Yarka can rest assured that his reputation is accounted for and his days numbered! The villagers know who's who and they will ultimately decide for that at the polls. All we can do is wait and pray that God grants us True Leaders who are indiscriminate in terms of providing services that will benefit the masses!

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[> Subject: Re: Don Polye's Form of macroeconomics in Kandep


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spy
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Date Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2007, 08:57:38am

If you recall the previous pre-election gimmicks, the culture of free handouts in the order of millions of kina has never been seen in public. This pathetic culture created by these two ex-American convicts (Don & Yarka), have instilled a paradigm shift in the minds of the poor innocent people from Kandep and Laiagam that the one who genuinely wants to be a leader will definitely have a uphill battle to convince what is right (hard work) from wrong (freebie) !

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[> [> Subject: Re: Don Polye's Form of macroeconomics in Kandep


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Bystander
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Date Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2007, 06:40:30pm

Cool Guy, you are too quick in judging your leaders. Maybe the accusations you have against him could be true, could not be true. What YOU SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES are genuine, thus express. Never express what Others saw and tells you. That is the point of your accusations against the little americans. My point is the wrong impression of getting free handouts (cash). Don't you thing this would create some kind of dependancy syndrome due to the fact of people having free handouts?

Besides, if cash is handed out, WHY TAKE IT. Challenge him to invest them into something COLLECTIVE rather then personal benefits. Its never too late. Teach your people about the manner of collectivity rather then personal benefits.

The little mr americans have lived a life that are contradictory to what they were mandated to do. We all know that. But that is not my point. What life they lived is of course a contradiction, if that could be. But my point is: DO NOT TAKE THE MONEY IN THE NAME OF "MY MONEY". That does not serve the purpose of logic and intelligences. Imagine just how you could promote dishonesty among your own people. Dishonesty has its own consequences in the long run.

You don't teach your people to be dishonest. Rather, teach them to be honest so that they don't have to get the free cash handouts. IT DOES NOT SERVE THE PURPOSE of who we are, be logical, be prudent and be smart cool guy. You appeared to be someone of moral stand in your previous treats on this forum, why letting people take a money in diguise? The contradicts what you stand for.

Bystander.

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[> Subject: Re: Don Polye's Form of macroeconomics in Kandep


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Cool_Guy1
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Date Posted: Thu, Jan 25 2007, 10:25:05am

Quote "Why take the money in the name of "people's money"?"(bystander). As it seems, is it truely "peoples money"? Karpa has been depositing so called "peoples money" in prostitutes and booze at Morata settlement, and Don has spent most of his "peoples money" building his wifes empire in Timbai.

Who are the people you are refering to? Are people the prostitutes and booze in Morata or the Timbai's.

The true people are the people from Lagaip-Porgera and Kandep open. So if the money is going to them in the form of cash hand-outs now, because both gentlement feel uneasy about the outcomes of the election, let the people take the cash which is meant for them. My point is take the cash, which is the "people's money" (if i may use your term), and vote someone else rather than voting this fake would-be Americans. I believe, election time brings the "peoples money" back to the right pockets rather than prostitutes, booze and other so called relatives from different electorates.

I know it is corruption too, but, dont you think the people deserve to served with their EDF for the last 5 years? They never seen any bit of that money for the last 4 years and the fifth year all of a sudden the money pops up. If you sat down and reason out the return of the money to its rightful owners, you will see my point.

At the last minute this so called wanna-be Americans are trying to buy vote using the so called "peoples money". thats why i am of the view that, they should be taught a lesson, take the cash and vote for a best candidate.

If on the other hand, the Wanna-be Americans used the EDF money to full-fill their big dreams of turning our towns into little America, when they were in parliament for the past 4 years, then i would not have such comments.

Nothings happened so far and little American towns havent been seen in reality, those were dreams of a man who lost it in the arms of prostitutes and booze.. such pathetic liers should be taught a lesson. I say, take his cash handouts and vote for someone who has small achievable dreams that will come to fruition.

cool_guy1

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[> Subject: STOP VOTE BUYING (BRIBERY)


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61
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Date Posted: Sat, Jan 27 2007, 11:01:16am

Cool_Guy1 and KLagaipT3,

From some of your threads on this forum it appears that both of you are bright and educated Engans. However, I fail to see the logic in your support for a few Laiagams and Kandepens accepting cash as bribes from these American Buffoons.

The bottom line is the monies they are using to buy votes, build their wives empires, and soliciting whores in Morata swamp belongs to the people of Enga. This does not mean that all Engans can dip their paws into the public coffers to physically extract cash from it. We all know that these monies are there for the collective (if I may use Bystanders terminology) good of Enga. It is for use on infrastructure and services etc that will benefit Engans.

You and me as educated citizens of Enga must refuse outright any involvement in the corrupt vote buying stupidity that is going on. If by refusing, we remain one kina poorer than so be it. At least we are principled and honest and can go to sleep with no worries.

However, receiving the monies as bribery for votes indicates that you are not any better than Karpa Yarka's tuks at Morata or Don Polye's tambus at Timbai land. You are part-taking in the moral decay and corruption of Enga and PNG as a whole.

We as educated Engans should vigorously discourage such trend and tell the people we can influence to refrain from such. You don't need to be a popular figure to stop this decay. We all should start by changing our own mentality and attitudes before changing that of others.

61

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[> [> Subject: Re: STOP VOTE BUYING (BRIBERY)


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Bystander
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Date Posted: Sat, Jan 27 2007, 08:37:12pm

Cool Guy, you are too quick in judging your leaders. Maybe the accusations you have against him could be true, could not be true. What YOU SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES are genuine, thus express. Never express what Others saw and tells you. That is the point of your accusations against the little americans. My point is the wrong impression of getting free handouts (cash). Don't you thing this would create some kind of dependancy syndrome due to the fact of people having free handouts?

Besides, if cash is handed out, WHY TAKE IT. Challenge him to invest them into something COLLECTIVE rather then personal benefits. Its never too late. Teach your people about the manner of collectivity rather then personal benefits.

The little mr americans have lived a life that are contradictory to what they were mandated to do. We all know that. But that is not my point. What life they lived is of course a contradiction, if that could be. But my point is: DO NOT TAKE THE MONEY IN THE NAME OF "MY MONEY". That does not serve the purpose of logic and intelligences. Imagine just how you could promote dishonesty among your own people. Dishonesty has its own consequences in the long run.

You don't teach your people to be dishonest. Rather, teach them to be honest so that they don't have to get the free cash handouts. IT DOES NOT SERVE THE PURPOSE of who we are, be logical, be prudent and be smart cool guy. You appeared to be someone of moral stand in your previous treats on this forum, why letting people take a money in diguise? The contradicts what you stand for.

Bystander.

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