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Subject: Re: Bible clearly says that Jesus is God? is this true?


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Misty
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Date Posted: 09:20:05 10/16/03 Thu
In reply to: Darsita 's message, "Bible clearly says that Jesus is God? is this true?" on 05:13:47 12/11/02 Wed

No Darsita, this is not true information. I have a wonderful report that GOD apparently led me to, because of my own confusion that HE knew I was feeling. What my church had been trying to teach me all these years just never made sense. Their teachings were just like a puzzle without all of the pieces, it just never was a complete,and therefore clear picture. Feel free to email me personally for a copy of this report,and then take your time to carefully study each scripture. I've also found incredible information over the www, on where the Trinity Doctrine originated from.
Here is just a taste of the information that I have for you.
Trinity
Definition: The central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three “Persons” are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Jehovah. Not a Bible teaching.

What is the origin of the Trinity doctrine?
The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.
In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.
According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.
John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

Even though, as Trinitarians acknowledge, neither the word “Trinity” nor a statement of the Trinitarian dogma is found in the Bible, are the concepts that are embodied in that dogma found there?

Again Darsita, feel free to email me at msc7967@hotmail.com, and I'll be more than happy to show to you why this 'Dogma' makes no sense at all.

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Matthew
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Date Posted: 13:32:45 12/16/05 Fri

Misty, By saying that Jesus is not God you make his blood of none effect. You see, If Yeshua would be just a human, he could not die because he would be a sinner. It took a spotless lamb to be slain for the remission of sins. Yeshua is called the Lamb of God. It therefore took God to pay the price for the sins of man kind. Yeshua is God. As regards to the Trinity and the Sh'ma, read My argument on that a few topics obove.

Sh'ma Yisrael, Yahweh Eohim Yahweh 'echad. Hear oh Israel, the LORD your God the LORD is one.

Baruch Hashem Adonai Yeshua. Bless the name of the Lord Jesus.

Be blessed in the name of our Savior, Yeshua HaMashiach

Blessings in the name of Yeshua.

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