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Subject: Bible clearly says that Jesus is God? is this true?


Author:
Darsita
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Date Posted: 05:13:47 12/11/02 Wed


Dear Sir,

Is that true Bible clearly says that Jesus is God? Can you tell me more about Jesus?


Thank you and have a nice day.

Darsita
Malaysia

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[> Subject: Re: Bible clearly says that Jesus is God? is this true?


Author:
Iwillgonow
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Date Posted: 10:28:47 12/13/02 Fri

Yes Darsita, it's true.

Hebrews is the first place that comes to mind where you can find it plainly stated.

Hebr:1:8: But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebr:1:9: Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Hebr:1:10: And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

The person speaking here is God the Father, and when speaking to Jesus Christ, God the Father calls him by the title "God," saying "Thy throne, O God, is for ever..."

All you need to do for yourself is confirm that God the Father is the speaker, and then there is no denial that the speaker is calling Jesus Christ "God."

If it confuses you to how there can be two "Gods," think of how many people have been called a "god," with a lower "g."

John:10:34: Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:35: If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
1Cor:8:5: For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

Please email me if you want to continue studying this. I'm running out of time and space, currently. Thanks for contributing!

Jacob (Iwillgonow)

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[> [> Subject: Re: Bible clearly says that Jesus is God? is this true?


Author:
A williams
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Date Posted: 00:16:44 05/19/03 Mon

JESUS IS NOT GOD, HE IS THE SON OF GOD
THE FATHER JEHOVAH MADE THE SON READ PROVERBS 8-22 THE SON IS SPEAKING ABOUT HIS BEING PRODUCED AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST,SO IT MEANS AT SOME POINT GOD JEHOVAH WAS ALONE BY HIMSELF.THE LORD JEHOVAH SAYS AT ISAIAH 43-11 THAT BESIDE
HIM THERE IS NO SAVIOR,THAT CANT BE JESUS TALKING HERE
BECAUSE HE WAS THE LOGOS OR THE WORD,THE SONS NAME WAS NOT JESUS THEN WHEN HE WAS IN HEAVEN. ISAIAH 44-6 HE SAYS
BESIDES HIM JEHOVAH THERE IS NO GOD,THERE IS NO 3 GODS IN
ONE. POINT:SINCE GOD IS A SPRIT AND IS HOLY THE SON IS A SPRIT AND HOLY . THE HOLY SPRIT IS HIS FORCE NOT A CO EQUAL
IN POWER, WHATS THE HOLY SPRITS NAME JUST HOLY SPRIT?
ALSO WHEN JESUS WAS ON EARTH HE DIDNT HAVE KNOWLEDGE
OF THE END OF THIS WORLD DID HE NOT HE SAID ONLY THE FATHER
KNEW,IF JESUS WAS GOD WHO RESTORED HIM TO LIFE,WHO WAS HE PRAYING TO, HE SAID OVER AND OVER HE WAS THE SON OF GOD
GODS NAME IS JEHOVAH PSALMS 83-18 HE HAS NOT CHANGED HIS NAME GOD DOES NOT CHANGE,JESUS MADE HIS NAME KNOWN
JOHN 17-6,26, 5-43 ,WHAT NAME DID HE MAKE KNOWN TO PEOPLE?
READ THE VERSE JOHN 17-6,IT HAD TO BE JEHOVAH BUT WE DONT
HEAR OR READ MUCH ABOUT THAT, THE DEVIL DONT WANT US TO KNOW ABOUT WHO GOD REALLY IS SO HE COMES OUT WITH THE
THREE IN ONE CONSEPT,1 JOHN 5-7 KING JAMES SAYS (FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR WITNESS IN HEAVEN )THAT WAS NOT THE
NU TEXT THIS WAS ADDED BY THE LATIN VULGATE TO SUPPORT THE
THREE IN ON GOD CONSEPT,IT SHOULD READ(THERE ARE THREE
WITNESS BEARERS THE SPRIT AND THE WATER AND THE BLOOD
THESE ARE IN AGREEMENT)WHER DID THE VERSE THREE THAT BEAR
RECORD OR WITNESS IN HEAVEN COME FROM??????? RESEARCH IT FOR YOURSELF I DID JEHOVAHS WITNESSESS ARE THE ONLY ONES
TEACHING THESE TRUTHS

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[> [> Subject: Re: Bible clearly says that Jesus is God? is this true?


Author:
Matthew
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Date Posted: 16:20:17 12/10/05 Sat

Jesus is God in the form of flesh. If you read the bible it is all so clear.

Read these verses.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Hebr:1:8: But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebr:1:9: Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Hebr:1:10: And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

All of these continue to point to Adonai Yeshua. If you know anything about the Old Testament, the word Adonai is not use for anyone eccept God. And now we use it for Yeshua.

To deny that Yeshua is God is to make his blood of none effect.

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[> Subject: Re: Bible clearly says that Jesus is God? is this true?


Author:
Misty
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Date Posted: 09:20:05 10/16/03 Thu

No Darsita, this is not true information. I have a wonderful report that GOD apparently led me to, because of my own confusion that HE knew I was feeling. What my church had been trying to teach me all these years just never made sense. Their teachings were just like a puzzle without all of the pieces, it just never was a complete,and therefore clear picture. Feel free to email me personally for a copy of this report,and then take your time to carefully study each scripture. I've also found incredible information over the www, on where the Trinity Doctrine originated from.
Here is just a taste of the information that I have for you.
Trinity
Definition: The central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three “Persons” are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Jehovah. Not a Bible teaching.

What is the origin of the Trinity doctrine?
The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.
In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.
According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.
John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

Even though, as Trinitarians acknowledge, neither the word “Trinity” nor a statement of the Trinitarian dogma is found in the Bible, are the concepts that are embodied in that dogma found there?

Again Darsita, feel free to email me at msc7967@hotmail.com, and I'll be more than happy to show to you why this 'Dogma' makes no sense at all.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Bible clearly says that Jesus is God? is this true?


Author:
Matthew
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Date Posted: 13:32:45 12/16/05 Fri

Misty, By saying that Jesus is not God you make his blood of none effect. You see, If Yeshua would be just a human, he could not die because he would be a sinner. It took a spotless lamb to be slain for the remission of sins. Yeshua is called the Lamb of God. It therefore took God to pay the price for the sins of man kind. Yeshua is God. As regards to the Trinity and the Sh'ma, read My argument on that a few topics obove.

Sh'ma Yisrael, Yahweh Eohim Yahweh 'echad. Hear oh Israel, the LORD your God the LORD is one.

Baruch Hashem Adonai Yeshua. Bless the name of the Lord Jesus.

Be blessed in the name of our Savior, Yeshua HaMashiach

Blessings in the name of Yeshua.

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