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Subject: Re: The bible is not the word of God. Author: Julie [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 13:43:06 07/09/05 Sat In reply to: Deborah Kuzenski 's message, "Re: The bible is not the word of God." on 20:48:22 07/08/05 Fri While I do believe that the KJV version of the Bible is the most accurate version, I do not agree that all you need is faith in Jesus to be saved. Herein lies the age-old debate on faith vs. grace vs. works. Please feel free to check out the "faith" section of this website for more information on the topic and below I will list some quotes that seem to suggest that works are still required for salvation. Math:5:17: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. * If you look at the translation of "fulfil" it means to cause to abound or to carry into effect. Roma:3:31: Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Jame:2:14: What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? Jame:2:17: Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Jame:2:18: Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Jame:2:21: Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Jame:2:22: Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? Jame:2:24: Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Jame:2:25: Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? Jame:2:26: For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. You cannot be saved by works alone, just as you cannot be saved by faith alone. Julie [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]