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Subject: Re: The bible is not the word of God. Author: Deborah Kuzenski [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 20:48:22 07/08/05 Fri In reply to: JonathanDawsonLynch 's message, "The bible is not the word of God." on 12:38:37 06/06/03 Fri The King James Bible is the most perfectly translated version of God's Infallible Word that we have in English. You find it offensive because you think like a natural human being. God's Ways are higher than our ways. And, guess what, He's in charge. So it's His Way or the highway (to Hell). God has a two-fold Purpose: one purpose for the earth; and one for the heavens. He will redeem the earth back from Satan with the nation of Israel; and the heavens with the Body He's forming during this Grace Age, the Body of Christ.God interrupted His program with Israel during the Book of Acts period and raised up Paul with a new Gospel of Grace to form the Body of Christ. If you want to be part of what God is doing, and to understand what He's saying to us through Paul, simply place your complete faith in Jesus Christ and His Death for your sins and you will be saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit. No works or human merit are required. Once you have the Holy Spirit, you will be able to begin to comprehend the Scriptures. Look for what God has for us in Paul's epistles; you'll find our doctrines there. May God richly bless you with His understanding! Debbie [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: The bible is not the word of God. Author: Julie [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:43:06 07/09/05 Sat While I do believe that the KJV version of the Bible is the most accurate version, I do not agree that all you need is faith in Jesus to be saved. Herein lies the age-old debate on faith vs. grace vs. works. Please feel free to check out the "faith" section of this website for more information on the topic and below I will list some quotes that seem to suggest that works are still required for salvation. Math:5:17: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. * If you look at the translation of "fulfil" it means to cause to abound or to carry into effect. Roma:3:31: Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Jame:2:14: What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? Jame:2:17: Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Jame:2:18: Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Jame:2:21: Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Jame:2:22: Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? Jame:2:24: Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Jame:2:25: Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? Jame:2:26: For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. You cannot be saved by works alone, just as you cannot be saved by faith alone. Julie [ Post a Reply to This Message ]