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Subject: Apie istoriją


Author:
Tango Wango
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Date Posted: 10/31/02 18:38:35

Aš galvoju, kaip pvz šių dienų žmones galima suintriguoti istorija. Šiaip, įdomu, istorija matyt yra ne tik faktų chronologija, bet ir jų interpretacija ir galvoju, kad žmones
kas labiausiai domina,-- tai nuomonių susikirtimai, dėl vienų ar kitų faktų aiškinimas. Tai mano klausimėlis būtų,-- kokie Lietuvos istorijos momentai labiausiai kelia diskusijas tarp istorikų ir visuomenėje ?

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Author:
vikingas
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Date Posted: 10/31/02 19:09:26

Manau pirmiausia reiketu issiaiskinti ka reiskia zodis istorija? Ar tai tautosakos rusis? Ar tai mokslas? Ar tai ish vis paziura i gyvenima? Man savoka - byla - artimiausia istorijos prasmei. Net ir slavai naud. baltishka zodi "byl", "bylina" - pasakojimo, legendos, tautosakos, bet su pamokymo tonais rushis. Bylojimas - liudijimas apie apie tai kas buvo ir kas gali buti. Istorija neatsiejama dabarties dalis. Gaila kad daugumai tai viso labo kaulu arba karoliuku rinkinys muziejuje. Is esmes tai ir buties dalis pasinerusi praeities sutemuose ir apgaubta ateities miglos. Laimingas kas susiduria su istorija! O dar laimingesnis kas ja kuria! Pameginkime ja kurti kartu ir rezultatas bus stulbinantis... .

Idomu kokia graikisko "historia" zodzio prasme? Gal kas sugebetu paaishkinti?

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Author:
Kernius
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Date Posted: 11/ 8/02 17:52:00

Kodel nera C.Gedgaudo ,,Musu praeities beieskant,,

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vikingas
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Date Posted: 11/ 9/02 01:54:32

Ar padetumei surinkti teksta? Skaiciau ta knyga ir noreciau kad ji cia butu. Tai kaip ar padesi?
Vikingas

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Kernius
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Date Posted: 11/21/02 21:14:00

Su malonumu jeigu tik kaip nors galeciau pagelbeti visada nes tai labai vertingas veikalas

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vikingas
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Date Posted: 11/21/02 22:36:54

Jeigu galetumei atsiusti paskutines C. Gedgaudo knygos dalies teksta word'o doc'e, lietuviskai, buciau ne tik as dekingas bet ir visi kas brangina musu palikima. Kaip ar pavyktu? Jei turi skeneri, ash tave pamokinciau kaip tai greitai padaryti.
vikingas

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Kernius
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Date Posted: 11/23/02 06:25:25

Vikingai.su malonumu prisideciau prie jusu svetaines pletojimo bet tam neturiu techniniu galimybiu,o taip tai saunu,nes istorija gvildedanciu tik viena autoritarine baranausko,kuri yra ribotu paziuriu susidaro toks ispudis kad baranauskas yra ruosiamas gudaviciui pakaitalas

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Author:
vikingas
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Date Posted: 11/26/02 20:10:54

M<ano komentaras ne apie Sv. Toma:

Apie "NeTomizma" - jei svetaines autorius nesupyks.

Citata is <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.angelfire.com/stars3/zemyna/filosofija.htm">http://www.angelfire.com/stars3/zemyna/filosofija.htm</a> : "Įjungtas į teologiję tvarką, žmogiškasis žinojimas čia tampa
tarsi teologinės doktrinos dalimi, galinčia tarnauti tikėjimui. Manau, kad, tik tarnaudama teologijai, filosofija doriniu
atžvilgiu įgyja aukščiausią prasmę". ... .
"Ijungtas i praeities testinuma, zmogiskasis zinojimas ir faktai apie istorija netampa istorines doktrinos dalimi,
galintis tarnauti ateiciai. Manau, kad tik tarnaudama asmeninei nuomonei, istorija faktiniu atzvilgiu igyja auksciausia prasme, - perfrazavus svetaines autoriaus zodziais taip turetu skambeti shis apibrezimas.

Ne visi masto ir mastys taip kaip tu (pvz. Gudavicius), ne visi interpretuos istorinius faktus taip kaip tu (pvz. vikingas).
Tu kaip istorikas (archeologas?) renki faktus, kitu isvados tau keistai nepriimtinos, o tavo baigiasi ties archologija (kasinejimaisi po daiktus).
Visgi istorija - tai interpretacija ir sugebejimas interpretuoti (nesakau ir nesakysiu, kad vykusiai interpretuoju:). Tam tikri ivykiai pvz. taikiu gyventoju
zudynes, pri’

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Author:
vikingas
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Date Posted: 11/26/02 20:14:28

M<ano komentaras ne apie Sv. Toma:

Apie "NeTomizma" - jei svetaines autorius nesupyks.

Citata is <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.angelfire.com/stars3/zemyna/filosofija.htm">http://www.angelfire.com/stars3/zemyna/filosofija.htm</a> : "Įjungtas į teologiję tvarką, zmogiskasis zinojimas čia tampa
tarsi teologinės doktrinos dalimi, galinčia tarnauti tikėjimui. Manau, kad, tik tarnaudama teologijai, filosofija doriniu
atzvilgiu įgyja auksčiausią prasmę". ... .
"Ijungtas i praeities testinuma, zmogiskasis zinojimas ir faktai apie istorija netampa istorines doktrinos dalimi,
galintis tarnauti ateiciai. Manau, kad tik tarnaudama asmeninei nuomonei, istorija faktiniu atzvilgiu igyja auksciausia prasme, - perfrazavus svetaines autoriaus zodziais taip turetu skambeti shis apibrezimas.

Ne visi masto ir mastys taip kaip tu (pvz. Gudavicius), ne visi interpretuos istorinius faktus taip kaip tu (pvz. vikingas).
Tu kaip istorikas (archeologas?) renki faktus, kitu isvados tau keistai nepriimtinos, o tavo baigiasi ties archologija (kasinejimaisi po daiktus).
Visgi istorija - tai interpretacija ir sugebejimas interpretuoti (nesakau ir nesakysiu, kad vykusiai interpretuoju:). Tam tikri ivykiai pvz. taikiu gyventoju
zudynes, prievartinis siuntimas uzsienin (pvz. Sibiras), faktai bylojantys apie tam tikrus ziaurius ivykius (genocida). Tai ka "prikalti prie kryziaus" (tavo zodziai)
naikinama tauta ar naikintojus???? Sakyciau tavo komentaras - absoliuti nesamone, paremta keistomis ambicijomis, buti vieninteliu teisingu istoriku Lietuvoje.
(Tam pvz. daugiau nei keista tavo svetaine apie "butoves slepinius", kodel vien kritika? Negi tie du zmogeliai verti tik juos?)

Apie Rusias ir Rusija: - varingiju "Rus'ia". As esu salininkas torijos, kad tie varingijai atvyko is Truso, Prusijoje (kartu su Danais). Man ten teko buti ir matyti
archeologus is Maskvos 1986 - 1987 metais istysusiais veidais, kai jie ten rado milzinishka Varingiju kapinyna, o jie buvo kaip tik atvyke irodyti priesinga teorija,
kad jie atvyko is Kijevo :). Deja, radiniai bylojo ka kita. O tuos faktus Rusijos MA naikino. Dabar dirbu kartu su vienu profesoriumi ex MA valdybos nariu, kuris pasakojo kaip naikinama istorija priesinga Maskvos teorijoms.

Zlugus teokratishkai pagonishkai santvarkai tarp Trakijos ir Baltijos, baigesi Varingiju (taip jie save vadino origanaluose IX - XI a.) epocha. Baigesi teokratine -
karine pagonishka valdymo struktura, kuri dar kuri laika laikesi Baltu zemese. Maskovija ta Rus'ios (Kijevo) termina tiesiog pavoge ivesdama Karine (Caras) -
Teokratine (pagal Sofijos svajones) valdzia, pradedami keista Mongolishkos karines ir Konstantinopolio dvasines sistemos hibrido-monstro gyvenima. Cia mes niekad
nesutarsime, nes tu atmeti religijos (pasauleziuros:) reiksme valstybes ir tautos vystymesi (evoliucijoje), sveniai apibudinus tavo poziuri - "istorinis marksizmas".

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Author:
Kernius
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Date Posted: 11/28/02 08:05:22

Vikingai,tavo paskutinis pasisakymas nesuprantamas,baranausko svetaines seimininkas dar karto sako kad tai marksistu ideologu tesejai,dedamiesi istorijos megejais,pats esi platesniu paziuru ir gana demokratisku uzmoju ir nera ko jiems pataikauti ir drasiai testi C.Gedgaudo veikala tuo tau linkiu sekmes

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Author:
vikingas
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Date Posted: 11/28/02 16:49:50

As apie T.B. poziuri i istorija, kuris visgi nera be itakos (kaip ir mano:), o rezultate pas ji visgi gaunasi "istorinis marksistinis". Skaityti: - <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://istorija.nkm.lt/tekstai/specivadas/marksizm.html">http://istorija.nkm.lt/tekstai/specivadas/marksizm.html</a>

Indo euorop. zodelis - weid (veid, vedoti, vedos) - manau geriausiai apibundina istorijos paskirti.

wit

\Wit\, v. t. & i. [inf. (To) Wit; pres. sing. Wot; pl. Wite; imp. Wist(e); p. p. Wist; p. pr. & vb. n. Wit(t)ing. See the Note below.] [OE. witen, pres. ich wot, wat, I know (wot), imp. wiste, AS. witan, pres. w[=a]t, imp. wiste, wisse; akin to OFries. wita, OS. witan, D. weten, G. wissen, OHG. wizzan, Icel. vita, Sw. veta, Dan. vide, Goth. witan to observe, wait I know, Russ. vidiete to see, L. videre, Gr. ?, Skr. vid to know, learn; cf. Skr. vid to find. ????. Cf. History, Idea, Idol, -oid, Twit, Veda, Vision, Wise, a. & n., Wot.] To know; to learn. ``I wot and wist alway.'' --Chaucer.

wit

\Wit\, n. [AS. witt, wit; akin to OFries. wit, G. witz, OHG. wizz[=i], Icel. vit, Dan. vid, Sw. vett. [root]133. See Wit, v.] 1. Mind; intellect; understanding; sense.

Who knew the wit of the Lord? or who was his counselor? --Wyclif (Rom. xi. 34).

A prince most prudent, of an excellent And unmatched wit and judgment. --Shak.

Will puts in practice what wit deviseth. --Sir J. Davies.

Ir

Gk. historia "history, record, inquiry," from historein "inquire," from histor "wise man, judge."

Tagi vedos, videti, vidmantas, vedimas, vesti, (vadzios?:) ir apibudina mano istorijos supratima - tai ismintingas bylojimas apie (nezinau, kodel slavams palikome videt'i?) praeiti dabarbyje, kaip dabarti priklausancia nuo jos ir pakeista del musu (geresnes?) buties. Tai visu pirma ismintis, nes kas valdo praeiti valdo ateiti ir jeigu sugeba dabartyje issaugoti ir itvirtinti ja - valdys ateiti. Todel istorijoje (priesingai politikai) maziausiai turi likti asmeniniu ambiciju, nes kitaip ... .

Pradziai tiek ...

vikingas

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Author:
Kernius
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Date Posted: 11/29/02 21:47:35

Sveikas,Vikingai,tavo paziuros toli siekiancios ir tai malonu skaityti.Noreciau trumpai mesti zvilgsni i Tarvydo indoeuropieciai.Pats zodis indoeuropieciai gana velivas,ankstesnis tautu skistimas buvo ugriu- finai,arijai.Todel skaitant teksta indoeuropieciai iskart gaunam tautu makalyne,jau pats pavadinimas klaidingas poziuris i praeiti.Baltu senasis klodas yra arijai.Todel cia ir butu klausimas baranauskui ar getai buvo arijai arba siu dienu terminu baltai.Stai keletas arijiskos kilmes tautu kursiai,armenai, cecenai ir is priesingos puses Tibetas.

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vikingas
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Date Posted: 12/ 6/02 10:56:35

Mh, "arijai" - termina pagadino viena valstybe ir asmenybe 1933 - 1945 metais. Po visu tu ivykiu terminas "indoeuropieciai" - ji pakeicia. Asmenishkai man jokio skirtumo, kuris zodis bus naudojamas, tegul mokslininkai raso apie tai disertacijas ir ginasi garbes laipsnius :) Man svarbiau sutelkti demesi i musu kaipo Lietuviu- Baltu (jotvingiu, heruliu, prusu, latgaliu ir t.t.) praeiti ir kiek imanoma objektyviau pateikti islikusia originalia medziaga is tu laiku ir apie tuos laikus. Mano giliu isitikinimu, mes kaip tauta nykstame ir jeigu nieko nedarysime, tai 100 - 150 metu begyje apie mus gales rasti info tik bibliotekuose. Mano meginimas yra tik medziagos pateikimas, kad niekam nebutu geda pasakyti - as Lietuvis ir mano tautos istorijai daugiau nei 2000 metu (min.), o tai pasakes jis galetu pagrysti istorine medziaga.
Ypach tai liecia lietuvius uzsienyje.
vikingas

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Author:
Kernius
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Date Posted: 12/ 6/02 10:30:13

IGAIKŠČIO VYKINTO PILIES BEIEŠKANT


Po Žemaitijos krikšto, pradėjus statyti pirmąsias bažnyčias ir kuriantis miesteliams,
pastebėtas toks reiškinys: bažnyčios kilo toliau nuo pagoniškų piliaviečių ir šventviečių.
Pavyzdžių nemažai: Luokė gerokai nutolusi nuo Šatrijos kalno, Viešvėnai - nuo Getautės,
piliakalnio, Žarėnai - nuo Plinijos, Telšiai - nuo Džiugo, Seda - nuo Rimulių, Plungė - nuo
Gondingos ir kt. Išnyko gyvenvietės ir nebuvo pastatytos bažnyčios prie tokių reikšmingų
piliakalnių kaip Medvėgalis, Burbiškiai ir kitų. "Švarioje" vietoje įsikūrė .ir Žemaičių
vyskupijos centras Vaniai. Tverai taip pat atsirado toliau nuo žymiosios pagoniškosios
piliavietės.

1251-aisiais metais vykęs istoriniuose šaltiniuose minias Tverų mūšis galėjo vykti kažkur
netoli Vembutų pilies, tai yra dabartinių Tverų apylinkėse. Miestelis, nutoldamas nuo
žymiosios pilies, nusinešė senąjį jos pavadinimą - Tverai. Tviremet arba Tverement - tai
vertimai į kitas kalbas, kuriomis rašė senovės metraštininkai.

Dabartinis piliakalnio pavadimmas siejamas su Vembutų ir Vydmantų kaimų pavadinimais.
Vembutų, Vydmantų kaimai, Domanto pelkė - tai vietovardžiai, kurie gali turėti ryšį su
Žemaičių kunigaikščių vardais.

Vydmantų gyvenvietė yra netoli Palangos miesto. Vembutų kaimas - Viešvienų seniūnijoje,
šalia Getautės piliakalnio, kur galėjo būti 1219 metų Haličo-Volynės sutartyje minimos
žemaičių kimigaikščio Vambuto valdos.

Stasys Kasparavičius, Žemaičių muziejaus "AIka"direktorius
2000 m. lapkričio 2 d.


Stai istrauka is teksto kur paminetas Getautes piliakalnis net du kartus,o tiksliau tai du skirtingi piliakalniai tuo paciu pavadinimu.Klausimas Getautes piliakalnis pavadinimas sudarytas ne is getu? Cia baranauskui apsisviesti.

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Author:
vikingas
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Date Posted: 12/ 8/02 22:22:31

Sveikas, Kerniau

klausimai yra viena is keisciausiu gyvenimo daliu - viena - jie kyla is nezinios, antra - is zinojimo, trecia - pazininimo (isminites) raidos (procesas) pasekoje. Vienu atvejus tu randi atsakyma, kitu - kitas, treciu - abu. Manau TB yra vienas is tu zmoniu kurie turi paruoshe atsakymus (bent jau giliai "dushioje") i visus klausimus lieciancius istorija (toks jo likimas ir darbas;). Jis jau turi susiklosciusi omeni (samone, pagrindas) lieciancia ja ir jie "Tomiskai" tikslus, bet ne daugiau (kaip ir "vikingiski", "kerniski" ir t.t.). Tai interpretacijos. Tavo nuosirdus domejimasis istorija - daugiau negu sveikintinas ir girtinas. O teisingas atsakymas - kas ji zino? Tik tas kas ji priima kaip teisinga!
Aciu, Kerniau uz tavo ieskojimus, manau jie kaip ir visu musu ieshkojimai slepia - atradimus.
Vikingas

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Author:
Kernius
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/02 06:54:55

Vikingai,tavo asmenvardis isvestas is zodzio vikingai,bet vyriskame amenvardyje negali buti priebalse -g-,nes jos reiksme yra,kad asmenvardis priklauso moteriskai giminei,priebalse -g- gali buti vyr. asmenvardyje tik zodzio pradzioje t.y.pirmoji raide.-k- reiskia vyr.gimine asmenvardyje,o -g-mot.gimine.O kad Gedgaudas gali isvirsti i getauta t.y. priebalse -d- i -t- tokios taisykles nera,cia baranausko ismislas Ir dar nekiekvienas istorikas save gali vadinti istoriku jeigu jisai pirmoje dalyje ar skiriuje savo pagrindinime istoriniame veikale nenagrineja mitologijos tai toks istorikas gali vadintis geriausiu atveju kronikininku arba lietuviskai rastiniku tokio vardo nusipelno tiek gudavicius tik baranauskas,o patys silciausi ir didziausi nuopelnai cia atitenka Narbutui.

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Author:
vikingas
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Date Posted: 12/11/02 14:02:50

Kalbinius dalykus paliksiu nuosalyje.
Apie tautosaka (mitologija) - visiskai sutinku. Ji butina, kad pazintumei tautos sielos gelmes ir testumei seka... .
Kai turesiu daugiau laiko :(( nauja skyreli "TautoSe(a)ka" atidarysiu.
Klausyk, gal tu galetumei parupinti medziagos jam? Ash vis taip ikyriai klausiu, nes nebespeju tvarkyti sitos svetaines. O pagalba verkianciai reikalinga. Jeigu turi galimybe surinkti legendu, padavimu, pasaku, patarliu, misliu, dainu tekstus gal ....? Mhhh?
Arba tiesiog atsiusti nuorodas su linkais i tautosakines svetaines?

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Kernius
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Date Posted: 12/14/02 10:27:34

Sveiki,Vikingai,pora zodziu del mitologijos internetines versijos tai neturiu ka pasiuliti,bet man paciam pavyko isskaityti vadinama magini kvadrata SATOR,kas idomu cia
AREPO
TENET
OPERA
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Date Posted: 12/14/02 13:05:40

Vikingai,noreciau galutinaui padeti taska del getu zvilterk i lietuvos Statutu svetaine ten tituliniame lape paminetos tautos siulau idemiau zvigtereti i irasa Sama:gitie,zodije gitie antroji raide t.y. balse i istikruju yra runa e ant jos nera taskelio ir virsutinieje daly yra nezymus bruksnys i kaire o apatineje daly yra bruksnelis i desine taip yra rasoma runa-e-ir gittie skaitoma getie t.y. zemaiciai ir yra getai.

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Date Posted: 12/14/02 23:47:55

As dar nueisiui i British Library paziuresiu mikrofilmus, o gal net ir pati originala. Tada ir nuimsime taska (arba padesime).

Is mano naujo archyvo nr. 2 1600 metu medziaga:

In SAMOGITIA (which in their language means Low-land) the people are tall and of excellent stature, but rude and barbarous in their manner and behaviour, using modest and homely food. The Russians call this province Samotz-kasembla. There are no fair buildings here at all, but their houses are like sheds or poor cottages only, made of wood, and covered with straw or reed. From the bottom upwards, their buildings gradually become smaller and smaller, like the keel of a ship, {not in 1598D{or a great helmet}not in 1598D}. In the top it has one window, letting light in from above, under which there is the hearth or chimney where they cook their food. In that house they hide themselves, their wives, children, servants, maids, sheep, cattle, corn and furniture altogether.


10. Sichardus {not in 1598D{in his history of Germany}not in 1598D} writes that the people of Samogitia have descended from the Saxons, and therefore ought to be subject to the kingdom of Polonia, yet, {not in 1598D{although the Saxons deny it to be a part of their jurisdiction, they confirm it to}not in 1598D} belong to the precinct of Saxony.

Ir tau turetu buti idomu :

VIVIVUTO or, as it is called by some, VIDINITUS, king of Borussia, in the year of Christ 573, when he was 116 years old, before he cast himself into a fire together with his brother as a sacrifice to his Gods, divided his possessions to his sons as follows. He had, as is reported, 12 sons. The first was LITHPO, or as others called him LITALAN, to whom he gave Lithuania the Lower, and made him king and sovereign of the rest, but he was rejected by his brothers because of his murder of CRIBE, a Bishop of them by that name.


11. Among the other eleven he divided the country of Spruse. Of these the first <son>, called ZAMO, obtained that region which after him to this day is called Zambia (Samland) which has on its West and North the salt sea, on the East lake Curisch-haff (Curonensis lacus) and the river Deme, and on the South the river Pregel. It is an accepted view among them that he lived on mount GALTAGARB. The second <son> SUDO got as his portion that part of the country where you now find Oletzo, Stradaun, Lick, part of the precincts or liberties of Iohanisburg, Letzen, Angerburg and Insterburg.


Taig Sambiai (Prusijos) ir Zemaiciai ta pati tauta! Visada tokie ir buvo. Jeigu paziuresi tu laiku zemelapius nustebsi
rades panasius vietovardzius abiejuose krastuose.
Mane labiausiai nustebino Kurse Nerunga prie Rugijos (Riugeno).
Ta medziaga archyve nr. 3 paskelbsiu.

O zemaiciai >< sarmatai - getai > derinys gana tiketinas.

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Date Posted: 12/15/02 18:47:59

Vikingai,kad zemaiciai buvo sarmatai sito irodineti tikriausiai nereikia nes apie tai visi senieji istorijos autoriai raso,o sarmatai tai ugriu-finai,sarmatai tai sar+matai tai zmogus ziurintis primerktom akim.

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man reikia istorines medziagos apie "Apuoles gynyba" ir "Apuoles pilies uzpuolima" arba apie vikingus.

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Date Posted: 11/21/02 21:10:01

Neradau dar vienos tautos tai trakai as jau nekalbu apie alanus,bet nera blogas zodis ir butove byla taipogi neblogas.Lokeras

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Date Posted: 11/21/02 21:31:40

Dar norejau pridurti gal reiketu ismesti Tarvydo rasliava nes ten nieko vertingo nera.Kernius

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Date Posted: 11/21/02 22:32:27

Kodel ismesti? Kai kas jau siule ismesti C. Gedgauda. Manau negalima taip - ismesti. Viskas yra dalis paveldo, o kas teisinga laikas ir musu vaikai pasakys. Mes turime kiek imanoma daugiau padaryti, nes 300 metu viskas kas surista su Lietuva ir baltais buvo draudziama ir iskraipoma.

Pats dar pamenu, kai 1986-7 metais Karaliauciaus rajone shalia vieno miesto (dabar vadina Zelinogradsku, ex Cranz'as), sutikau archeologu ekspedicija atsiusta is Maskvos irodyti, kad Prusai tai - Rusai, nors jie patys juokesi, bet viskas buvo vykdoma is rimtuju. Jie rado milziniskas vikingu laivu kapines (galiu pirstu durti ir parodyti kur, nes pats maciau:), tai va ir Russ - Prusijoje - Pries jiems atvykstant i Kijeva:))), mazdaug 800 - 900 metu kapinynas. Prie strategines tuo meto gyvenvietes ir gintaro klodu. Kurie veliau atvyko su Peruno (nuo Pereti, pagal Daukanta) kultu ir ikure Kijevo russ'ija, kaip ne keista visi vikingai i ikapes dedavo - gintara (British Muziejuje pilna ju kapu ir visuose! gintaras!), kaip nekeista, Krieviai ir Kijevonys siusdavo duokle - i ... atspek kur? - i Prusija! Uzteks.
Bet tu nekritikuok geriau padek kaip nors.

vikingas

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Date Posted: 11/23/02 06:42:33

Vikingai,visos tos issakytos tavim teorijos yra teisingos ir kad rusai yra kildinami is prusu taip pat teisinga tik visa tai toliau pletoti labai sudetingat.y. is mano puses issakyti nesugebu arba kitaip tai ne ta vieta.

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Date Posted: 08/19/05 20:52:03

Siūlyti išmesti Gedgaudą gali tik arba visiškas profanas, arba visiškas arogantas (koks yra Gudavičius, kurį kai kas kažkodėl laiko žymiausiu dabartiniu Lietuvos istoriku. Nors ir gerbiu kaip istoriką jį, bet toli gražu nėra jis geriausias).

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Date Posted: 11/21/02 22:14:21

Trakai, sakai? Nagi kodel juos prie baltu priskirti? Viena versija anglu k.(gal turi kitu versiju?). Vikingas:

Thracians: Ancestors of the Swedes (Sueivi- originale, keistai lietuviskai skamba - sueiviai?:)

The origins of the Thracians, and thus the Swedes, can be traced back to secular and biblical history. Chapters 9 and 10 of Genesis describe how the nations developed from Noah's three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Recorded history continually verifies the biblical account of the spread of nations.

The Genesis account, as a historical document, is fully corroborated by an overwhelming richness of documentary and other historical evidence so vast that it is unique in recorded history. No other document enjoys such a wealth of detailed corroboration from such a wide-ranging variety of sources. The Indo-European peoples were all too aware of their historic and ethnic descent from the line of Japheth, Noah's 3rd son. These peoples, through carefully preserved records, could trace their lineage and race back to the time of Babel and the dispersal of the nations from the plain of Shinar. The evidence is striking from those early post-Flood nations of the Mesopotamian valley, who had direct contact with one another, and who preserved in written records those names that are explicitly mentioned in the Genesis record.
The records that have come down to us lend their weight to the already vast body of documentary evidence that can only convince us that the Genesis record is a true and faithful historical account of the early history of mankind. What is remarkable about these records is that they mostly come from ancient historians and writers of various nationalities who had not the least intention, either consciously or otherwise, of lending support to the Genesis record. Most of them were nurtured within pagan systems that were openly antagonistic to the knowledge of God, and who had laboured over many centuries to darken, if not totally erase that knowledge altogether. Their verification is therefore all the more valuable.

Japheth is considered the father of Indo-European people groups (several royal European genealogies confirm this). Japheth's 7th son, Tiras, was the progenator of the Tiracians. Historians note they probably first settled in the area of Asia Minor (present day Turkey) about 2,000 BC. The transfer of words through nations and languages is prevelent in every people group. Merenptah of Egypt, who reigned during the 13th century BC, provides us with what is so far our earliest reference to the people of Tiras, recording their name as the Tursha (or Tarusha), and referring to them as invaders from the north. Josephus (1st century Jewish & Roman historian) identifies them as the tribes who were known to the Romans as Thirasians, and to the Greeks as Thracians, whom they feared as marauding pirates. History attests that they were indeed a most savage race, given over to a perpetual state of "tipsy excess". They are also described as a "ruddy and blue-eyed, people", fighting with their own tribal factions. Herodotus, the ancient Greek historian in the 5th millennia BC, described the Thracians as "the most numerous people of all, and that only their chronic disunity prevented them from being the most powerful of all nations." In the 3rd century BC, the Thracians were noted as having numerous tribes that rarely united, most having their own kings. Thracian dress was well known. Several descriptions were given, including illustrations on Greek vase-paintings. Basic dress was tunic, cloak, cap and boots.
Tiras himself was worshipped by his descendants as Thuras (Thor), the god of war. The river Athyras was also named after him, and the ancient city of Troas (Troi, Troy - the Trojans) perpetuates his name, as also does the Taunrus mountain range. The historical Thracian genealogical tree counts over 200 tribes which have several names, according to their specific regions. Some of their tribal names were Trajans, Etruscans, Dacians, Ramantes, Besins, and others. The Trajans (Trojans) founded the city of Troy which existed over 3,000 years, after being destroyed and rebuilt several times. Tribes of Trojan warriors left the city of Troy during the 11th century BC. They came north and captured land along the banks of the river Don (southwestern Russia), a major trade route. The locals named the Trojan conquerors the "Aes", meaning "Iron People", for their superior weaponry. The tribes of Trojan Aes would eventually move north, settling in present-day Scandinavia. The Aes became known as the Aesar, and subsequently the Svear, and then Swedes. Historians refer to the Aes people as "Thraco-Cimmerians" due to their Trojan ancestry. Other tribes of Thracians remained a culture in Asia-Minor and southern Europe until the 5th century AD.

The name Tiras perpetuated through different languages, as in this list of names from Noah to the present-day Swedes.

1. Noah
2. Japheth
3. Tiras
4. Tarusha
5. Thirasian
6. Thracian
7. Troi
8. Trojan
9. Aes
10. Aesar
11. Svear
12. Svenonian
13. Sverige
14. Swede
<---------------------4,000 years--------------------->

Japheth's first born son was Gomer. Gomer is also known Gamir, Gimmer, Gomeria, Gotarna and Goth. The tribes of Gomer are mentioned by the Jews in the 7th century BC as the tribes that dwelt in the "uppermost parts of the north". The Assyrians in the 7th century referred to them as the Gimirraya. Other names used throughout history include Gimmerai, Crimea, Chomari, Cimmer, Cimmerian. Cimmerians populated areas of the north of the Caucasus & Black Sea in southern Russia. Linguistically they are usually regarded as Thracian, which suggests a close relationship. "Thraco-Cimmerian" remains of the 8th-7th century BC found in the southwestern Ukraine and in central Europe are associated with the Aes people.

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Date Posted: 11/23/02 07:44:51

malonu bendrauti tokiom temom ir del traku gal mano piziuris bus toks,jug buvo traku kunigaikstytste ir Vytauto rezidencija Trakai as noriu pasakyti eik tuo keliu ir rasi juos ar ir tuoliau abejuosi pasiruoses teikti ir kitus duomenis

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Date Posted: 11/23/02 07:52:13

Butu gerai kad tas tekstas butu verstas

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Date Posted: 11/23/02 09:58:13

Gal galetumei isversti si teksta i Lietuviu k.? Pas mane ziaurus laiko trukumas.
vikingas

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Date Posted: 12/18/05 10:48:11

kas apie sausio 13 man reikia i sule atrasykit ka man reikia

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Date Posted: 12/ 9/02 00:40:18

Paskutiniu metu Pasaulio lietuviu bendruomenes valdyba diskutuojame tarpukario ir sovietmecio istorijos problema.
Pasigendame jos pristatymo anglu kalba. Net Amerikos kariuomenes bibliotekose randama Lietuvos istorija yra daugmaz sovietu ar sovietmecio propaganda. Gal turite ideju kaip ta istaisyti?

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Date Posted: 12/10/02 00:17:52

Stai naujas projektas, nezinau ar jis pasiseks ar ne, bet minciu yra: <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.vikingas.btinternet.co.uk/istorija/bm/index.htm">http://www.vikingas.btinternet.co.uk/istorija/bm/index.htm</a>
reikes dvasinio palaikymo (gal net ir finansavimo:)

Antra, reiketu sukurti fonda (tikra, ne pinigams plauti, giminaiciams i darba priimti, arba savo ir tik savo idejoms prakishti) besirupinanciu Lietuvos paveldo pateikimu uzsienyje (pradziai uztektu anglu k.). Jo tikslas galetu buti bendradarbiavimas su muziejais (ekspoziciju ir parodu ruosimas), bibliotekomis (tuo paciu parupinant lietuvisku knygu joms), ivairus kulturiniai projektai (festivaliai, seminarai ir t.t.).

Trecia - mums patiems jausti atsakomybe uz musu praeiti ir ateiti (sunkiausia dalis).

Ketvirta - suparatimo ir palaikymo is Lietuvoje gyvenanciu lietuviu, kad uzsienyje gyvenantys lietuviai tai ne tik valkatos, perejunai, nusikalteliai, milionieriai siekiantys supirkti Lietuva, "depukai" ir pan. - bet vienos nedalomos tautos (praeityje ir ateityje) dalis.

Penkta - laiko, nuosirdziu ir patyrusiu zmoniu.

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Date Posted: 01/ 7/03 09:28:54

Vikingai,linkejimai 2003 metais,geru metu ir kurybingu metu varant gilia istorijos vaga o tiksliau musu praeities ivykiu nusvietima ir pateikima internetinei visuomenei paties darbai t,y, medziaga stulbinanti,kad paties svajones greiciau issipilditu linkejimai ir ja isleisti medziaga spausdinio pavidalu kad siais metais tektu tavo leidini isigyti,greiciau atsirastu remejai.Dar karta geru,vaisingu metu ir remeju ,mecenatu ar kaip kitaip juos vadinti sekmes Tau.Kernius

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Date Posted: 01/ 7/03 10:59:39

Aciu Kerniau, uz tokius puikius linkejimus!!!
Kaip sakoma Lietuvos kaime, padek Dieve ir tau! Darbuose ir gyvenime. O isleisiu knygele(viliuosiu) apie vasario - kovo men. - bet tik 100 egz. nes tik tiek pajegus tesu.
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Date Posted: 01/ 8/03 23:11:47

Vikingai,duok zinia kada knyga isvis dienos sviesa ir kur ja galima bus rasti,butu malonu kad patarpininkautum ir dar pora zodziu tavo svetaine tampa vis solisdesne o tai dziugina- malonu,dar karta sekmes.Kernius

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Date Posted: 01/ 9/03 09:15:25

Buitinai. Tiesiog vienas zodis - aciu.
vikingas
p.s. sekmes ir tau

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Date Posted: 12/16/05 09:52:06

Sveiki,
Siandiem man darbe prireike informacijos apie Lietuva iki 1991m. (energetika, valdymo organai,santykiai su Rusija) (butent LTSR) tai net nustebau ir siek tiek pasibaisejau. Neimanoma gauti internete jokios informacijos. Tik nepriklausomybe arba senieji laikai iki 1940 m. Kokiais laikais mes gyvenam,nejaugi niekas nepasikeite ir neimanoma gauti objektyvios informacijos? O gal vis dar tebegeda kad gyvenom tais laikais ar ka?
p.s. o gal kas zino kokia nuoroda i tarybu lietuvos istorija ar koki straipsni,sekmes

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