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Date Posted: 21:43:03 09/21/04 Tue
Author: Rabbi Stanley
Subject: Re: The Rapture
In reply to: Daniel 's message, "Re: The Rapture" on 06:20:22 09/21/04 Tue

Shalom Daniel,
I'm glad to hear that you are open to other ideas other then pre-trib.
Yes there are some who believe that all Israel will be Saved after the rapture. But where does that put the Jews in that scenario? 1. They don't get their glorified bodies. 2. They don't get to enter heaven, as we know it. 3. They are confined to this world eternally. Still not a good ending for the Jews! UUUUGGG. That's just concerning the Jews.
Let's now look at the Wrath of G-d. We know that we don't go through His wrath (1 Thessalonians 5 vs9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ). If you look up the word "wrath" it means "unmitigated anger". In other words, G-d aint gonna hold back. But we are never told that we will escape tribulation, we're told the opposite. De 4:30 "When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice" etc.
This whole idea that we are going to miss the trib is for those Christians who think that following Jesus is a bed of roses. "Name it and Claim it" love this false belief, all is just gravy for them. Well, if you look at the early Disciples, it wasn't all gravy. They all were killed in a variety of brutal ways. Only one died of old age, the rest were beaten and murdered. You want to know if you're close to G-d? See if you're living the life of the Disciples. If it's all gravy, you're doing something wrong. I'm not saying you have to go out and get yourself beaten up or killed, but if you aren't finding some difficult turns in your walk... it's time to ask G-d what's wrong in your life.
Also, there are 3 End Time battles of the L-rd, the last being Armageddon. The first 2 take place while we are all here. Right before Armageddon (Har Megiddon means "Mount of rendezvous) we are changed in the twinkling of an eye... not raptured in the twinkling of an eye... changed. Then we are caught up and we come with Yeshua in the clouds to destroy His enemies. It's hard to get into too much here. I will be posting a prophecy series... I think there's a lot of need for that. We'll go step by step then it'll make more sense.
Rabbi Stanley

>>Concerning the Rapture:
>>
>>First, let me state that I am a NON hardcore Pre
>>Tribber....HOWEVER, after discussing with Rabbi
>>Chester, and his sharing with me the Anti Jewish
>>threads in this view, I must say it has caused me to
>>take a second glance....
>>
>>Now, though most who hold to the pre trib view, as I
>>now understand it, teach that only a remnant(of
>>Israel) will be saved during the tribulation, I have
>>never maintained that doctrine; I have always
>>believed, as a pre tribber, that ALL of Israel would
>>be saved, as Scripture so states.
>>
>>Also, I have always believed that during the
>>tribulation, not only would ALL of Israel be saved but
>>that God would SPECIFICLLY be TURNING back to Israel
>>in the sense that He was involved with them during the
>>OT...not that He isn't NOW, but in the SAME way that
>>He dealt with them in the Ancient Days....
>>
>>Now, I DO NOT have verses in the Word to "prove" my
>>points of a pre trib rapture... yes, I have some
>>verses here and there but nothing solid, and thus this
>>is why I amnot "hardcore" on the Rapture issue...
>>
>>At one time, as a 5 year Word of Faith follower, I was
>>SOOOOOOOOOOOO hardcore that I wouldn't FELLOWSHIP with
>>those who didn't believe in a pre trib rapture... John
>>"I'm actually a Jew hater" Hagee gave me the
>>inspiration to act as such towards my Brethren....
>>(note: As a WOF proponent I DID NOT believe that
>>Christ burned in hell etc etc...I was more of the "I'm
>>a god", I like money" kinda guy....)
>>
>>Now, Jacob Prasch gave me some different views, one
>>being that it will be mid trib... and now Rabbi
>>Chester gives even deeper thoughts.....
>>
>>I have never been very much of a student of End Time
>>Events, so I am quite open.... I'm not one or the
>>other anylonger, and haven't been for a long time...
>>
>>I am not one who is ignorant in the Fundamentals of
>>the Word nor in the Discipleship portions of
>>Scripture, yet as it pertains, as stated, to End Time
>>Events, I must confess that I am ignorant....
>>
>>I am willing to learn if you are willing to help me.
>>
>>Daniel

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Re: The Rapture -- Daniel, 05:51:32 09/22/04 Wed
- Re: The Rapture -- Rabbi Stanley, 20:12:01 09/25/04 Sat