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Date Posted: 22:42:07 12/16/04 Thu
Author: Amar Dev Pawar
Subject: Re: The Passion of the Christ
In reply to: VIVIAN 's message, "Re: The Passion of the Christ" on 06:05:58 12/16/04 Thu

Hi Vivian,

Yes Hindus think deeply of the divine because they are given the freedom to think and accept and reject even the Hindu holy books as such books are written by scholars and is not Gods word.Same as saying the hindu holy books are inspired and not revealed like the New Testament.

Hinduism is NOT a religion but a philosophy which evolves with time.Thats why I say Jesus was a Hindu God is because there is nothing jewish in His teachings.Buddha too was a Hindu God and so was Guru Nanak.

You say that the OT is still ligit because Jesus had said that He came to fufill and not to destroy.Exactly.He came to fulfill the law of God as against the law of Rabbis and prophets.There is no proof that Moses was inspired by Jesus.Infact it makes no sence.If Jesus inspired Moses then why would He then abolish those same laws.The NT has NO law in it.why?If the OT was what Jesus came to complete,then we would still have Judaism today and Christianity would not be a religion.You see my point.Paul went to Rome not because he wanted too but beause he was exiled.The Rabbis did not want him preaching the true word of Jesus.This word was a complete 360 to the Rabbis word.

The fact that Jesus was crucified says that He was against the Rabbis.Remember,the Jew Rabbis to this day do NOT believe in God incarnates.they like the muslims only go to the lenght of prophets.The Rabbis were shocked and horrified that a Jew would claim to be an incarnate God.To you this may seem absurd but to the Jews this was the biggest insult to God.This same phenomena works the muslim and amazingly the sikh mind too.

Guru Nanak was a God incarnate but Sikhs say He was a prophet.This is the eason why Hindu scholars never made Nanak an incarnate of Lord Vishnu which He was.If you read Nanaks OWN teachings as apposed to the inspired word to his disiples,you can see the same Hindu philosophy.Nanak like Buddha and opther Hindu Gods came to abolish the written words or inspired words because they never wroter it in the first place.Hindu priests made a religion out of a philosophy.This is why Buddha and Nanak were refuted by Hindu Brahmins.

This is what happened with Jesus.Infact Jesus had double the problem of Buddha and Nanak.Jesus not only came to abolish the laws like Buddha and Nanak but His main problem was that He claimed to be God.The Jews to this day are waiting for the messiah.If Jesus had said he was the messiah,then His word would have been accepted.The fact that Jesus said He was God proves that there is no such thing as prophethood.Why was Jesus the first Jew to say He was God.Because He was not Jew.

Anyways I do not wish to hurt anyones beliefs.Just want to set the recpord straight.The crucification happened over 2000 years ago and only the Rabbis of that time are responsible.Jewish people of then and now are free of this.Infact Jews have been persecuted for centuries for this very reason which is not fair.Thats why nI feel very strongly for Jews.They have endured the most brutal persecution in human history and for something they never did.

As far as your statement that not all jewish rabbis were against Jesus,then this statement of yours does not make sence.In the days of Jesus ALL the rabbis were waiting for the messiah,their final PROPHET and NOT a God.

Jesus shocked ALL the Rabbis of His day.those few that may have believed Him were obviously NOT real rabbis.

I mean go to any synanogue today and ask any Rabbi anywhere if Gods incarnate or if They ever did.Ask them if Jesus was God.see for yourself the answere that not only was Jesus NOT a God but He ws NOT even a prophet but infact a phoney.Why do you trhink the Rabbis will say this.Because the Jewish Rabbis of everyage and todays age too do NOT believe in God incarnates.

Rabbi stanley is the exception to the rule but then he is not a Jewish Rabbi but just a Rabbi.Even today Christianity will never find a home in Israel.The romans accepted them because they accepted God incarnates.

Now taking all this in prespective,how can the OT,the work of prophets(priests) be fulfilled by God.this is ridiculous.God will never come to fufill mans laws.The wqhole point in God incarnating Himseld is to set the recoed straight.If the OT was Gods word,then NO need for God to incarnate.why does God now incarnate in Israel.Beause the NT IS Gods word,even though inspuired,yet it is what God deems fit for mankind.

If the OT laws are still to be followed,then no need for the NT.

Another reason that the OT was abolished by Jesus is the fact that the trinity of God is a new thing.this is NT stuff.The God of the OT is ONE in the heavens.The God of the NT is three in one.you see the difference.NOP Jew can even think of accepting Jesus and what to talk about Rabbis.Paul was inspired by Jesus.The trinity is from Jesus.For someone like me,it makes perfect sence but for a jewish or muslim or Sikh,this is blasphemy at the highest level.

You see the OT and NT are completely different philosophy.The OT is full of hate.the NT is full of Love,now how in the world can you say that Jesus came to fulfill the OT laws.its impossible for pure love(Jesus) to even accept let alone complete pure evil(OT).

The Quotes of Jesus that you mentioned as proof that He came to fulfill the law of the OT is again your understanding of it.Jesus is actually telling the Jews that He has come not to destroy but to fulfill.THis has nothing to do with the OT.This has to do with beliefs and customs and traditions.Jesus is telling people that He will give them the LAW that they have been waiting for and that this LAW will not destroy them but fufill them or complete them.

Thanks for inviting me to Israel.I will go there one day.And speaking of Israel,90 % of Israelis are secular or christians.why?they are following the NT and not the OT.I dont mean literally but subconsciously.The NT does not need to be read to know it wheras the OT does.The NT is inbulit in our system whereas the OT is not.Israel was made for the Jews and Judaism yet 90 % of them are actually Christians or secular or humanists.why?

I accepted Jesus when I rejected religion and accepted love.Only when I rejected religions(Hate) did I recieve God(Love) and became free.Jesus freed me.from all religions and all followings.I follow the message of Jesus which was Love.Love comes from freedom.Hate comes from enslavement and religions enslave peole.

The holy ghost DID strangle me.I know now.I did not believe it when Rabbi Stanley told me that.Now I do.I was blessed.Rabbi Stanley had told me that Jesus WANTS me.Infact the Holy Ghost had informed him about that It was going to strangle me.

Remember Vivian,Gods free people by teaching LOVE.Love frees people and make them successful.all followings are from the satan himself because they enslave people and fills therm with hate that destroys them.

This what the holy ghost taught me.This is what Jesus said to me.jesus told me to tell all to give up religions and hate and to free themselves with love and ethics.Jesus told me that the holy ghost will teach every single human on how to live.The holy ghost is our guide.the NT is now only for inspiration and not a guide.Jesus guides us Himself without the need for any written document.We must not find Jesus in Books no matter how divine they may claim to be.Jesus is in our hearts,We must search for Him there.Once we begin the search,the Holy Ghost then guides us to Jesus.I know because I have met Jesus.

Love

Amar Dev Pawar( I separated Dev from Amar to literally make it mean "to fight for Jesus forever"

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Re: The Passion of the Christ -- Vivian, 06:14:24 12/21/04 Tue
- Re: The Passion of the Christ -- Rabbi Stanley, 22:02:23 12/22/04 Wed