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Subject: Re: You guys win >_<


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Jake
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Date Posted: 09:49:49 06/17/03 Tue
In reply to: Pasha 's message, "Re: You guys win >_<" on 16:34:18 06/16/03 Mon

>>be stealing; you'd be stealing his design. Without
>>protection of IP, there is no incentive to innovate or
>>create art because anyone can take it and start
>>selling it or giving it away.
>
>In some respects I disagree. No matter, there will
>always be people who create art simply for the sake of
>creating it.

Yes. But read Dena's post and my reply to it.

>>And your merchandise-driven model of anime production
>>doesn't solve this problem because it's not profitable
>>enough in most cases, it emphasizes the wrong aspects
>>of anime, and it rewards the wrong people. You give
>
>Define the "wrong aspects" and the "wrong people" in
>regards to anime ^^. I think that a majority (if not
>all) anime companies would be agast if you suggested
>that making boatloads of money off of merchandising is
>a "wrong aspect" ^^.

wrong aspects = cute animals, hot girls, and cool action heroes

wrong people = people who have nothing to do with the title's production/distribution and start selling the merchandise for it

>>So with every anime title competing in the merchandise
>>market, there would be room for only a few to make a
>>profit, and companies would only be willing to fund
>>the production of those that were most merchandisable.
>
>Well, first off, I think that most companies want to
>fund titles that are merchandisable (is that even a
>real word??). Either through toys, video games,
>books, ect.

Yes it's a word. =P

>> To series like Hana Yori Dango, companies would say
>>"No cute stuffed animals? No action figures? No
>>thanks." And we'd be stuck with nothing but anime
>>like Pokemon and Tekken.
>
>Up to a certain point. There cannot be too many
>Pokemons, YuGiOhs, ect, just because people don't have
>enough money to buy everything ^^.

Exactly my point when I say "there would be room for only a few to make a profit."

>>But even if every anime title could make a good profit
>>on just merchandise, it wouldn't matter without IP
>>protection. Fred Gallager may be doing well now, but
>>only because his IP rights are protected. If I were a
>>big company who could afford to produce and sell my
>>own Megatokyo merchandise that was superior to Fred's,
>>he'd be screwed without IP protection. Maybe in his
>>case, he could appeal to his fans' loyalty and get
>>them to only buy his merchandise, but that
>>wouldn't work for most people. So again, you're left
>>with no incentive to innovate or create art.
>
>A question is whether in the "merchandise" model,
>other companies are actually allowed to make the
>merchandise. If we are merely discussing digital
>copying, then merchandise might be right out of the
>window. Otherwise, I want my digital tee shirt ^^ ...

We're discussing intellectual property (IP). Digital copying is just one kind of IP theft. Unauthorized merchandising is another. If you think one is ok but not the other, you're gonna have to explain why.

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