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Date Posted: 14:44:30 03/28/03 Fri
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Jung!
's message, "Re: Women's Movement column" on 13:45:04 03/28/03 Fri
"But I see plenty of societal trends toward emasculation of American men and it disturbs me." I think this is a separate issue, and only somewhat related to the feminisim movement. Things are changing, that's for sure. I know what you are talking about, and it is interesting to me. On one hand, it is like cultural growing pains. I say, let's grow, baby, grow. On the other hand, isn't that just like a man, making it all about himself?
"...now perfers that boys be quiet and sit still, like the girls do." Here you've touched on a more-related issue. Why is it so much more acceptable to socialize girls to sit quietly and "be nice?" Again, a separate but related topic -- the socialization of our gender identities at a young age.
"...have seen the movie "Chocolat?""
I have. I loved that movie. I thought its outwardly harsh and judgemental portrayal of Christians was actually compassionate, in an ironic and indirect way. It says "we are all humans, we are all in this mess, we all have the choice to direct our destinies" the mayor or whatever he was, as everyman. This was after watching the movie roughly 15 times. Before you get too angry about emasculation, please understand, this is actually how a lot of women, deep down, view men, at least for a phase of their lives. Also please understand this is based on one or more real-life experience(s.) We can go further into my own personal can of worms offline sometime, if you like.
"One last thign I'd like to note is that you didn't address some of the points I made directly in the column"
You're right. I stayed away from that. Partly because the different issues go in different directions so quickly, that answering them would take too much time and effort at work. Partly because I didn't want to be furious at work on my conference call. Mostly because I think you could use some challenging on each different issue you raised, but I don't have the time or patience to do so here. And lastly, partially because I had to skim a few paragraphs so as to not chuck my computer out a window, they made me that angry.
The best way I can illustrate this last point is to ask two people if they think racial discrimination is a problem in America -- one white and one black. You'll most likely get vastly different answers, and only one of them is based on an insider's view.
"would you agreethat the feminist movement is behind a popular notion that stay at home motherhood is a second class position?"
There are a variety of reasons, I think they are mostly rooted in the remaining influence of, as well as the modern scorn for values from the Victorian era. Furthermore, I think it is easier for a man to blame the women, in this case feminist, for this.
"Would you agree that the feminist movement embraced and helped create the overt oversexuality embraced by women today?"
No, I think men helped much more on that than the feminist movement. Who do you think is benefitting most? I think certain portions of the women's movement have made it easy to mask the origins of this trend. Smoke and mirrors. Where the WM comes into play is that a wider variety of behaviors are acceptable than ever before. A lot of people (mostly women) have worked very hard to make this so, and in and of itself, that is not a bad thing. Anything with humans involved is corruptible.
"Why are so many women, including those with a high public profile in professions as well as celebrities single-issue voters?"
I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean why do so many women place a high priority on one issue above the rest? A lot of people are straight-ticket, but place their priority elsewhere, ie voting along party lines. A lot of women think that women's issues, finally now that they're on the ballet, so to speak, are important. Why wouldn't a person focus on what's important to them? Frankly, I think you are ignoring a lot of people who are single-issue who are not women, so that point doesn't seem valid.
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