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Date Posted: Sat, 11/23/02 10:36am
Author: skin
Subject: Re: OK. chicken or the egg?
In reply to: Steve Russell 's message, "Re: OK. chicken or the egg?" on Fri, 11/22/02 8:16pm

>I agree that you can get a first rate education at
>pretty crummy colleges, but I, for one, could not have
>done so because I did not know the lay of the land. I
>didn't know how to pick courses to accomplish that AND
>NEITHER DID THE ADVISORS.

That is part of the retention that I push so hard - gotta have an Indian advisor/counselor/mentor/whatever helping them after they are recruited.

>Would I have avoided the challenging stuff if I could
>have? Sure. I was scared to death. I was just
>trying to survive without any survival skills.

again, part of the retention that most schools do not offer.

>Let's say you beat all those odds and do get a first
>rate education at a crummy college. How do you prove
>to the graduate admissions committee that you have
>done so?

I went to North Texas - not a crummy school, but no powerhouse. The GRE and LSAT did it for me.

>
>I'm not saying give up on them if they don't have ivy
>coming out of their ears, but I am saying send them
>down the most reliable path, the best marked one.

sure - I have students at some of the top colleges around the country - and since many do want to get too far from home, I push UT, A&M, Rice a lot. But if community college is the best I can get them try, that is still a small victory that may lead them onward from there. Better than flipping burgers.

you and I agree on more than we disagree on - same goals, different methods mainly??

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Replies:

Re: OK. chicken or the egg? -- Steve Russell, Sat, 11/23/02 10:54am
- Re: OK. chicken or the egg? -- skin, Sat, 11/23/02 11:08am
  - Re: OK. chicken or the egg? -- Steve Russell, Sat, 11/23/02 11:29am