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Did not exist Democracy, Justice and Solidarity..... -- VMRO-MNM (VMRO-MNM (MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS)!), 09:28:07 05/12/07 Sat

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A hell of a life for immigrants in the Western World.

Did not exist Democracy, Justice and Solidarity.....

Letter to the European Court of Human Rights Council of Europe Strasbourg-Cedex FRANCE, etc!

Regarding the Swedish and the West European anti democratic, violating, Nazi, Fascist, injustice and criminal mafia authorities, institutions and organizations and the deceitful violations against human rights, serious discrimination, oppression, physical and psychic maltreatment and torture, extortion, threats and incitement to racial hatred that are being executed by above-mentioned groups! This is inhumane and gross fraud against immigrants!

The letters below are not original but transcription of the originals.


Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxxx
XXXXXX-XXXX
Xxxxxxxx X
S - XXX XX XXXXXXXXXX

+XXXXXXXXXXX

September 16th,2004

International Court of Justice
President Shi Jiuyong
Peace Palace
2517 KJ The Hague
The Netherlands

To the International Court of Justice

I am writing to you about the gross discrimination, violation, criminal conduct and incitement to racial hatred that has been done to me by different Swedish authorities, institutes and organizations. For a long time I have been discriminated and violated, robbed and even maltreated. My health has been destroyed by 95%.

I do not know if I have reached the right instance when I contact you. If it is wrong, I ask you to send this letter with enclosed copies to the right instance and then inform me about this.

Unfortunately I cannot send you all my material about the discrimination and violation that I have been exposed of since the material is extensive and I cannot afford to send you everything because of my bad financial position. Only one copy costs 3 Swedish krona. Furthermore, some of the original documents cannot be copied since they are in bad condition. The documents are in Swedish.

I have previously sued the Swedish authorities to the antidemocratic, anti loyal and unjust West European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, France. The report was made April 2nd, 2003. I had to sue the Swedish criminal Mafia authorities to this so-called European Court since all doors are closed to us immigrants here in Sweden. There is no just court, judge, prosecutor or lawyer. They only work for their own authorities and destroy our lives. My understanding is that they are true Fascists and Nazis.

I not only feel that I am discriminated, violated and robbed. I also feel that I live in a society that is oppressing and where we immigrants are treated as the Germans treated the Jews during the time of Hitler. That is why I had to turn to the "European Court of Human Rights" in Strasbourg. I sent them all my material, facts and evidence. They have shut their eyes and kept quiet for 1 year and 4 months and they have not lifted a finger to help me. Instead they are supporting/co-operating with the Swedish authorities. I feel discriminated and violated. I have lost more than one year and it has cost me dearly, financially, mentally and physically. That is why I am also suing the "European Court of Human Rights" in Strasbourg for collaboration with Swedish authorities.

I have sued the enforcement service (kronofogdemyndigheten), the social insurance office (försäkringskassan), the tax authorities (skattemyndigheten), the public dental service (folktandvården), the dentist Ingemar Vighagen (Citytandläkarna) and the medical service (sjukvården).


August 17th, 2004, I received an offending and criminal letter from the Kronofogdemyndigheten in Landskrona where it said that they were going to deduct 3300 Swedish Krona/month of my pension. These violations, criminal acts and discriminations are hard to describe with words. I have lived in poverty during my whole time here in Sweden because of such Mafia bandits, Fascists and Nazis.

It is not enough with the hundreds-of-thousands of Swedish Krona that they already have robbed me of. They will not stop until the day I die. What they want is to make a profit on me, just as vampires who suck the blood out of people. If it would be possible they would gladly have drained me of 1 kilo blood per month. They will do everything to make more money.

I have a very small disablement pension. It is very difficult to survive with this pension. I live in poverty. If the Kronofogdemyndigheten starts to make deductions on my pension I will be even poorer.

What can I give my children, now and for their future? What can I buy for my children when I only have 3100 Swedish Krona/month (after the Kronofogdemyndigheten's deduction) to live for (then I have not counted variable costs as electricity, telephone and TV)?

I have a 20-year-old daughter. She studies medicine in Xxxxxx. She needs my support but I cannot give her a penny. Before this I had difficulties supporting her financially. With 3300 Swedish Krona less per month my chances of helping her are even smaller.

What can I give to my 13-year-old daughter who lives in Landskrona, here in Sweden? I cannot longer buy her a school bag because of the Swedish Fascists, racists and Mafia bandits who make me poor, sad and disappointed.

This is both physical and mental abuse, this is inhuman. These people have no human feelings. They are egoists and materialists. Anyone can understand that this is gross discrimination, violations and incitement to racial hatred, to steal from a disabled immigrant with a pension of 11300 Swedish Krona. With this pension I have to pay 3700 Swedish Krona/month in rent and 1200 Swedish Krona/month in child support. In addition to that I have to pay electricity, telephone and TV. How can I survive with what is left? It is hard to explain with words.

I need money to physiotherapy, medical treatment etc. Only massage costs 300 Swedish Krona and I need to go three times per month. A chiropractor costs even more. Even before the Kronofogdemyndigheten's last letter it was difficult for me to pay these sums because of my poor economy. How will I be able to afford it now?

After the insulting letter from the Kronofogdemyndigheten I had to cancel my dentist appointment. I have severe problems with my teeth and terrible pains but I cannot longer afford going to the dentist because of the Kronofogdemyndigheten. I have only 12 teeth left in my mouth and they are all loose. The whole mouth cavity is inflamed and therefore I have to see the dentist regularly.

In November 2003 I separated from my family. During following 6 months I managed some way to scrape together money to buy a used sofa and a used TV. I have no bed, kitchen table, chairs or bookcase. The first 6 months I slept on an old mattress on the floor. Now I sleep on the sofa but I can assure you that this is also hell for a disabled person. Now because of the Kronofogdemyndigheten I can only dream of a bed, when I am able to sleep.

It is not only the Kronofogdebandits who are involved but also the Försäkringskassan (the social insurance office) and the Skattemyndigheten (the tax authorities).

At the Försäkringskassan they know how much money during the last 15 years, hundreds-of-thousands of Swedish Krona that has been paid to the Kronofogdemyndigheten. My debt was at the beginning not more that 90000 Swedish Krona but the Swedish bandits know how to manage. I guarantee that they have useful contacts with the "West European" court and you can see in black and white that there are only West Europeans sitting there.

This is why I am forced to turn to the International Court of Justice. This is my last chance. If the International Court does not punish the Swedish Mafia bandits then there is no justice any longer in this world. Great criminal Mafia bandits will become greater and greater and millions of good people will suffer, starve and die because of the Western World's bureaucrats, Fascists and Nazis.

As I have mentioned earlier, my income is very poor, but nevertheless I have been compelled to acquire a bigger flat because of my daughter. She should not have to suffer and be embarrassed because her father is poor and cannot give her anything. When she is here she wants to bring home her friends. And because of my illness I also need to have a room of my own where I can be alone when I am in great pain. I know that my pension does not allow me to have a bigger flat but my plan was that if I do not indulge myself anything and if I exclude physiotherapy etc (except my frequent dentist appointments although, after the letter from the Kronofogdemyndigheten, I have to exclude this too) and if cut down even more on my meals then I should be able to manage this rent. Now I do not how I will survive. My rent will be 5700 Swedish Krona/month. I will probably receive some accommodation allowance although it will not be much, perhaps 500 - 700 Swedish Krona/month. If I had had a proper pension as I should have had I would have managed but my pension has not increased. I have complained to the Försäkringskassan but they think that I should manage with a minimum pension. If I had been Swedish I would have received a larger income but we foreigners receive the lowest. When I have moved in to my new flat (that will be October 1st) and the Kronofogdemyndigheten starts to make reductions on my pension, I will only have 1100 Swedish Krona/month left to live for. A joke that is what it is (although I am not laughing). I do not know what to do about furniture. It was difficult beforehand. Now it will be impossible. It is strange; nothing can go right whatever I do. No matter how much I try to save (I eat cheap, I do not make any visits to the doctor etc), still I never have any money. The Kronofogdemyndigheten takes everything. I do not owe them anything but they owe me plenty!!

Since I do not have any lawyer who can defend me in this country I ask you to arrange this - lawyer or prosecutor. I will also ask you to see to that this lawyer/prosecutor will contact me as soon as possible so that I can complete the material I have and to send to him/her. Unfortunately there is material that I lack because the Swedish authorities have not bothered to send it to me. There are also documents that cannot be copied because of poor quality as I have mentioned earlier.

I demand damages for my health that has been destroyed by 95% by the medical service (sjukvården), the dentist Ingemar Vighagen (Citytandläkarna) and the public dental service (folktandvården), damages for the discriminations and violations that I have suffered by the social insurance office (försäkringskassan), both concerning my pension that has not been raised for 15 years, and for their collaboration with the enforcement service (kronofogdemyndigheten). I also claim damages from the Kronofogdemyndigheten who have stolen hundreds-of-thousands of Swedish Krona from me. Although I have paid everything the debts are still growing and the Kronofogdemyndigheten craves for more. I also claim damages from the tax authorities (skattemyndigheten) for their collaboration with the Kronofogdemyndigheten. I demand that my money will be paid back with damages and interest. My claim for damages including interest is 3,5 million Swedish Krona. Other matters (as for example a raise of my pension) can be discussed at a later time when you have appointed a lawyer/prosecutor. Some documents cannot be completed since the Försäkringskassan does not give me any information about what deductions that have been made to the Kronofogdemyndigheten. That is why the Försäkringskassan must attend the trial and show how much money that has been paid to the Kronofogdemyndigheten.

There is one thing I want to mention. I do not accept any lawyer/prosecutor or at all any person from Scandinavia. I want the lawyer/prosecutor to come from without the Western borders: Asia, Africa or South America - an impartial, just person who is against the discriminators, the violators and criminals. If it will go to trial I wish to attend it and that the Swedish Mafia bandits will be summoned.

I apologize for my harsh words but I cannot express myself in any other way, the Swedish authorities have not earned it.

Thank you for having read my letter.

Yours faithfully,

Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx



COUR INTERNATIONALE DE JUSTICE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE

PALAIS DE LA PAIX 2517 KJ LA HAYE PAYS-BAS PEACE PALACE 2517 KJ THE HAGUE NETHERLANDS

Mr. Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx
XXXXXX-XXXX
Xxxxxxxx XXX X
S - XXX XX Xxxxxxxxx
Sweden

21 October 2004

Dear Sir,

I acknowledge recept of your letter of 16 September 2004 addressed to the President.

I regret to inform you that, virtue of Article 34 of the Statute of the international Court of Justice, ''only States may be parties in cases before the Court'', and that only international organizations authorized within the meaning of Article 65 of the Statute may reguest advisory opinions of the Court.

It follows that neither the Court nor ist Members may consider applications from private individuals or groups, provide them with legal advice, or assist them in their relations with the authorities of any country.

That being so, you will, I am sure, understand that no action can be taken on your letter.

Yours faithfully,


The Deputy-Registrar


Ett helvetes liv för invandrare i västvärlden.

Brev till Europeiska domstolen för de mänskliga rättigheterna i Strasbourg-Cedex Frankrike, etc!

Angående de svenska och de västeuropeiska anti demokratiska, kränkande, nazistiska, fascistiska, orättvisa och kriminella, maffiamyndigheter, institutioner och organisationer och de bedrägliga brott mot mänskliga rättigheter, grov diskriminering, förtryck, fysisk och psykisk misshandel och tortyr, utpressning, hot och hets mot folkgrupp som utförs av ovannämda grupper! Detta är omänskligt och grovt bedrägeri mot invandrare!

De nedanstående breven är inte original utan avskrifter av originalen.



C O U R E U R O P E E N N E E

D E S

D R O I T S D E L ´ H O M M E

CONSEIL DE L´EUROPÉ
STRASBOURG

E U R O P E A N C O U R T

OF

H U M A N R I G H T S

COUNCIL OF EUROPÉ
STRASBOURG

Xxxxxxx XXXXXXXXX
Xxxxxxxx XXX X
SE - XXX XX XXXXXXXXX

17 DEC 2004

ECHR-Lswe11.0R(CD1)
MBS/za

Mål nr 13585/03
XXXXXXXX mot Sverige

Härmed vill jag upplysa Er att Europadomstolen för de mänskliga rättigheterna, bestående av en kommitté om tre domare (A.B. Baka, Ordförande, R. Turmen och D. Jociene) enligt artikel 27 i konventionen, den 7 december 2004 har beslutat, i enlighet med artikel 28 i konventionen, att avvisa ovan nämnda klagomål då det inte uppfyllde kraven som anges i artiklarna 34 och 35 i konventionen.

Domstolen fann, efter att den hade beaktat allt tillgängligt material, att, i den mån klagomålet föll under dess tilläggsprotokoll hade kränkts.

Detta beslut är slutligt och kan inte överklagas till domstolen (ej heller dess ''Grand Chamber'') eller något annat organ. Domstolens kansli kan inte bistå med ytterligare detaljer om kommitténs överläggningar eller svara på korrespondens fån Er angående domstolens beslut i detta mål. Ni kommer inte att erhålla några ytterligare skrivelser från domstolen rörande detta mål. I enlighet med domstolens instruktioner, kommer akten i målet att förstöras ett år efter expedieringen av detta brev.

Denna underrättelse är gjord i enlighet med Regel 53 § 2 i Domstolens arbetsordning.

Med väldig hälsning
På kanslichefens vägnar


T.L. Early
Vice kanslichef


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[> Re: Tina Nilsson Legal Officer - Office of the European Ombudsman -- VMRO-MNM (VMRO-MNM MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS), 11:24:09 05/31/07 Thu

Från: Euro-Ombudsman EO@ombudsman.europa.eu
Skickat: den 30 maj 2007 10:29:14
Till: Macedonian for the Macedonians vmro_mnm@hotmail.com
RE: Did not exist Democracy, Justice, Solidarity and Human Rights.....?

Dear Sir or Madam,

I am writing in reply to your e-mail of 24 May 2007, from which it can be concluded that you consider the Swedish authorities to be undemocratic. You appear to have referred the matter to the European Court of Human Rights and to the International Court of Justice.

You have written to the European Ombudsman, whose task is to investigate complaints about maladministration by EU institutions and bodies. This means that you can complain to the Ombudsman if you consider that, for instance, the European Commission, the European Parliament or the Council of the European Union has done something wrong. However, the European Ombudsman is not entitled to deal with complaints against national authorities. Nor is the European Ombudsman entitled to deal with complaints against the European Court of Human Rights or the International Court of Justice, which are not EU institutions or bodies. The European Ombudsman would therefore not be in a position to assist you regarding the matter of your concern.

Yours sincerely,

Tina Nilsson

Legal Officer

Office of the European Ombudsman

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A hell of a life for immigrants in the Western World.

Did not exist Democracy, Justice and Solidarity.....

Letter to the European Court of Human Rights Council of Europe Strasbourg-Cedex FRANCE, etc!

Regarding the Swedish and the West European anti democratic, violating, Nazi, Fascist, injustice and criminal mafia authorities, institutions and organizations and the deceitful violations against human rights, serious discrimination, oppression, physical and psychic maltreatment and torture, extortion, threats and incitement to racial hatred that are being executed by above-mentioned groups! This is inhumane and gross fraud against immigrants!

The letters below are not original but transcription of the originals.


Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxxx
XXXXXX-XXXX
Xxxxxxxx X
S - XXX XX XXXXXXXXXX

+XXXXXXXXXXX

September 16th,2004

International Court of Justice
President Shi Jiuyong
Peace Palace
2517 KJ The Hague
The Netherlands

To the International Court of Justice

I am writing to you about the gross discrimination, violation, criminal conduct and incitement to racial hatred that has been done to me by different Swedish authorities, institutes and organizations. For a long time I have been discriminated and violated, robbed and even maltreated. My health has been destroyed by 95%.

I do not know if I have reached the right instance when I contact you. If it is wrong, I ask you to send this letter with enclosed copies to the right instance and then inform me about this.

Unfortunately I cannot send you all my material about the discrimination and violation that I have been exposed of since the material is extensive and I cannot afford to send you everything because of my bad financial position. Only one copy costs 3 Swedish krona. Furthermore, some of the original documents cannot be copied since they are in bad condition. The documents are in Swedish.

I have previously sued the Swedish authorities to the antidemocratic, anti loyal and unjust West European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, France. The report was made April 2nd, 2003. I had to sue the Swedish criminal Mafia authorities to this so-called European Court since all doors are closed to us immigrants here in Sweden. There is no just court, judge, prosecutor or lawyer. They only work for their own authorities and destroy our lives. My understanding is that they are true Fascists and Nazis.

I not only feel that I am discriminated, violated and robbed. I also feel that I live in a society that is oppressing and where we immigrants are treated as the Germans treated the Jews during the time of Hitler. That is why I had to turn to the 'European Court of Human Rights' in Strasbourg. I sent them all my material, facts and evidence. They have shut their eyes and kept quiet for 1 year and 4 months and they have not lifted a finger to help me. Instead they are supporting/co-operating with the Swedish authorities. I feel discriminated and violated. I have lost more than one year and it has cost me dearly, financially, mentally and physically. That is why I am also suing the 'European Court of Human Rights' in Strasbourg for collaboration with Swedish authorities.

I have sued the enforcement service (kronofogdemyndigheten), the social insurance office (försäkringskassan), the tax authorities (skattemyndigheten), the public dental service (folktandvården), the dentist Ingemar Vighagen (Citytandläkarna) and the medical service (sjukvården).

August 17th, 2004, I received an offending and criminal letter from the Kronofogdemyndigheten in Landskrona where it said that they were going to deduct 3300 Swedish Krona/month of my pension. These violations, criminal acts and discriminations are hard to describe with words. I have lived in poverty during my whole time here in Sweden because of such Mafia bandits, Fascists and Nazis.

It is not enough with the hundreds-of-thousands of Swedish Krona that they already have robbed me of. They will not stop until the day I die. What they want is to make a profit on me, just as vampires who suck the blood out of people. If it would be possible they would gladly have drained me of 1 kilo blood per month. They will do everything to make more money.

I have a very small disablement pension. It is very difficult to survive with this pension. I live in poverty. If the Kronofogdemyndigheten starts to make deductions on my pension I will be even poorer.

What can I give my children, now and for their future? What can I buy for my children when I only have 3100 Swedish Krona/month (after the Kronofogdemyndigheten's deduction) to live for (then I have not counted variable costs as electricity, telephone and TV)?

I have a 20-year-old daughter. She studies medicine in Xxxxxx. She needs my support but I cannot give her a penny. Before this I had difficulties supporting her financially. With 3300 Swedish Krona less per month my chances of helping her are even smaller.

What can I give to my 13-year-old daughter who lives in Landskrona, here in Sweden? I cannot longer buy her a school bag because of the Swedish Fascists, racists and Mafia bandits who make me poor, sad and disappointed.

This is both physical and mental abuse, this is inhuman. These people have no human feelings. They are egoists and materialists. Anyone can understand that this is gross discrimination, violations and incitement to racial hatred, to steal from a disabled immigrant with a pension of 11300 Swedish Krona. With this pension I have to pay 3700 Swedish Krona/month in rent and 1200 Swedish Krona/month in child support. In addition to that I have to pay electricity, telephone and TV. How can I survive with what is left? It is hard to explain with words.

I need money to physiotherapy, medical treatment etc. Only massage costs 300 Swedish Krona and I need to go three times per month. A chiropractor costs even more. Even before the Kronofogdemyndigheten's last letter it was difficult for me to pay these sums because of my poor economy. How will I be able to afford it now?

After the insulting letter from the Kronofogdemyndigheten I had to cancel my dentist appointment. I have severe problems with my teeth and terrible pains but I cannot longer afford going to the dentist because of the Kronofogdemyndigheten. I have only 12 teeth left in my mouth and they are all loose. The whole mouth cavity is inflamed and therefore I have to see the dentist regularly.

In November 2003 I separated from my family. During following 6 months I managed some way to scrape together money to buy a used sofa and a used TV. I have no bed, kitchen table, chairs or bookcase. The first 6 months I slept on an old mattress on the floor. Now I sleep on the sofa but I can assure you that this is also hell for a disabled person. Now because of the Kronofogdemyndigheten I can only dream of a bed, when I am able to sleep.

It is not only the Kronofogdebandits who are involved but also the Försäkringskassan (the social insurance office) and the Skattemyndigheten (the tax authorities).

At the Försäkringskassan they know how much money during the last 15 years, hundreds-of-thousands of Swedish Krona that has been paid to the Kronofogdemyndigheten. My debt was at the beginning not more that 90000 Swedish Krona but the Swedish bandits know how to manage. I guarantee that they have useful contacts with the 'West European' court and you can see in black and white that there are only West Europeans sitting there.

This is why I am forced to turn to the International Court of Justice. This is my last chance. If the International Court does not punish the Swedish Mafia bandits then there is no justice any longer in this world. Great criminal Mafia bandits will become greater and greater and millions of good people will suffer, starve and die because of the Western World's bureaucrats, Fascists and Nazis.

As I have mentioned earlier, my income is very poor, but nevertheless I have been compelled to acquire a bigger flat because of my daughter. She should not have to suffer and be embarrassed because her father is poor and cannot give her anything. When she is here she wants to bring home her friends. And because of my illness I also need to have a room of my own where I can be alone when I am in great pain. I know that my pension does not allow me to have a bigger flat but my plan was that if I do not indulge myself anything and if I exclude physiotherapy etc (except my frequent dentist appointments although, after the letter from the Kronofogdemyndigheten, I have to exclude this too) and if cut down even more on my meals then I should be able to manage this rent. Now I do not how I will survive. My rent will be 5700 Swedish Krona/month. I will probably receive some accommodation allowance although it will not be much, perhaps 500 - 700 Swedish Krona/month. If I had had a proper pension as I should have had I would have managed but my pension has not increased. I have complained to the Försäkringskassan but they think that I should manage with a minimum pension. If I had been Swedish I would have received a larger income but we foreigners receive the lowest. When I have moved in to my new flat (that will be October 1st) and the Kronofogdemyndigheten starts to make reductions on my pension, I will only have 1100 Swedish Krona/month left to live for. A joke that is what it is (although I am not laughing). I do not know what to do about furniture. It was difficult beforehand. Now it will be impossible. It is strange; nothing can go right whatever I do. No matter how much I try to save (I eat cheap, I do not make any visits to the doctor etc), still I never have any money. The Kronofogdemyndigheten takes everything. I do not owe them anything but they owe me plenty!!

Since I do not have any lawyer who can defend me in this country I ask you to arrange this - lawyer or prosecutor. I will also ask you to see to that this lawyer/prosecutor will contact me as soon as possible so that I can complete the material I have and to send to him/her. Unfortunately there is material that I lack because the Swedish authorities have not bothered to send it to me. There are also documents that cannot be copied because of poor quality as I have mentioned earlier.

I demand damages for my health that has been destroyed by 95% by the medical service (sjukvården), the dentist Ingemar Vighagen (Citytandläkarna) and the public dental service (folktandvården), damages for the discriminations and violations that I have suffered by the social insurance office (försäkringskassan), both concerning my pension that has not been raised for 15 years, and for their collaboration with the enforcement service (kronofogdemyndigheten). I also claim damages from the Kronofogdemyndigheten who have stolen hundreds-of-thousands of Swedish Krona from me. Although I have paid everything the debts are still growing and the Kronofogdemyndigheten craves for more. I also claim damages from the tax authorities (skattemyndigheten) for their collaboration with the Kronofogdemyndigheten. I demand that my money will be paid back with damages and interest. My claim for damages including interest is 3,5 million Swedish Krona. Other matters (as for example a raise of my pension) can be discussed at a later time when you have appointed a lawyer/prosecutor. Some documents cannot be completed since the Försäkringskassan does not give me any information about what deductions that have been made to the Kronofogdemyndigheten. That is why the Försäkringskassan must attend the trial and show how much money that has been paid to the Kronofogdemyndigheten.

There is one thing I want to mention. I do not accept any lawyer/prosecutor or at all any person from Scandinavia. I want the lawyer/prosecutor to come from without the Western borders: Asia, Africa or South America - an impartial, just person who is against the discriminators, the violators and criminals. If it will go to trial I wish to attend it and that the Swedish Mafia bandits will be summoned.

I apologize for my harsh words but I cannot express myself in any other way, the Swedish authorities have not earned it.

Thank you for having read my letter.

Yours faithfully,

Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx



COUR INTERNATIONALE DE JUSTICE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE

PALAIS DE LA PAIX 2517 KJ LA HAYE PAYS-BAS PEACE PALACE 2517 KJ THE HAGUE NETHERLANDS

Mr. Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx
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Sweden

21 October 2004

Dear Sir,

I acknowledge recept of your letter of 16 September 2004 addressed to the President.

I regret to inform you that, virtue of Article 34 of the Statute of the international Court of Justice, ''only States may be parties in cases before the Court'', and that only international organizations authorized within the meaning of Article 65 of the Statute may reguest advisory opinions of the Court.

It follows that neither the Court nor ist Members may consider applications from private individuals or groups, provide them with legal advice, or assist them in their relations with the authorities of any country.

That being so, you will, I am sure, understand that no action can be taken on your letter.

Yours faithfully,


The Deputy-Registrar


Ett helvetes liv för invandrare i västvärlden.

Brev till Europeiska domstolen för de mänskliga rättigheterna i Strasbourg-Cedex Frankrike, etc!

Angående de svenska och de västeuropeiska anti demokratiska, kränkande, nazistiska, fascistiska, orättvisa och kriminella, maffiamyndigheter, institutioner och organisationer och de bedrägliga brott mot mänskliga rättigheter, grov diskriminering, förtryck, fysisk och psykisk misshandel och tortyr, utpressning, hot och hets mot folkgrupp som utförs av ovannämda grupper! Detta är omänskligt och grovt bedrägeri mot invandrare!

De nedanstående breven är inte original utan avskrifter av originalen.



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Härmed vill jag upplysa Er att Europadomstolen för de mänskliga rättigheterna, bestående av en kommitté om tre domare (A.B. Baka, Ordförande, R. Turmen och D. Jociene) enligt artikel 27 i konventionen, den 7 december 2004 har beslutat, i enlighet med artikel 28 i konventionen, att avvisa ovan nämnda klagomål då det inte uppfyllde kraven som anges i artiklarna 34 och 35 i konventionen.

Domstolen fann, efter att den hade beaktat allt tillgängligt material, att, i den mån klagomålet föll under dess tilläggsprotokoll hade kränkts.

Detta beslut är slutligt och kan inte överklagas till domstolen (ej heller dess ''Grand Chamber'') eller något annat organ. Domstolens kansli kan inte bistå med ytterligare detaljer om kommitténs överläggningar eller svara på korrespondens fån Er angående domstolens beslut i detta mål. Ni kommer inte att erhålla några ytterligare skrivelser från domstolen rörande detta mål. I enlighet med domstolens instruktioner, kommer akten i målet att förstöras ett år efter expedieringen av detta brev.

Denna underrättelse är gjord i enlighet med Regel 53 § 2 i Domstolens arbetsordning.

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Read and see the truth about Macedonia and the Macedonian nation. -- VMRO-MNM (VMRO-MNM (MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS)!), 09:27:07 05/12/07 Sat

MACEDONIAN BOOK 2006 - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS!

Read about Communism and Democracy, Justice and Solidarity, War and Peace, Discriminations and Violations and so on.

Read and see the truth about Macedonia and the Macedonian nation.

My name is Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet and I am a Macedonian, born in Macedonia.
For many years I have fought against the violations and discriminations of the Macedonian people executed by different countries in the world, especially the Western World and the Asian occupants.

This is a CD-book about the Macedonian question and the Macedonian nation. The CD-book contains part 1 (430 pages) and part 2 (502 pages).
This is a voluminous collection of material containing protest letters to different international organisations, institutes, governments and so on, answers and reactions from some them, pictures and maps and much more. The main part of the material is written in English (95%) but there are also texts in Macedonian, German and Scandinavian.

Macedonia is a nation that has suffered oppression during decades, genocide and ethnic cleansing. Macedonia is a nation the world has forgotten about.

Western authors, historians, experts, archaeologists teachers, professors and politicians have deprived the Macedonian nation of its history, traditions, culture, identity, literature, symbols and land, and falsified our Macedonian antiquity.

In schools, children are deceived and indoctrinated with "Greek" history, mythology, Gods and literature instead of being taught the truth.

Before 1860, "Greece" ("Hellas") did not exist. Neither did any "Greek" ("Hellenism") nationality. Before 1913, no Serbian "Albanian" or "Bulgarian" nationality or country existed. Before the Second World War, no Montenegrin, Croatian, Bosnian or Slovenian nationality or country existed. All of this is old Macedonian territory. As evidence, there are ancient historian maps presented in book 1.

The media of the western world has never revealed the truth about Macedonia, only presented fabricated, anti-Macedonian propaganda.

During the 20th century we have heard and seen the Western world's propaganda, discrimination and violations against Macedonia and the Macedonian nation. Now it is time for us to make our voices heard and to inform the world about the truth. We want to show the world our struggle for justice and reveal to the world the truth about Macedonia and the Macedonian nation.

I want to warn the readers about the shocking pictures in the book, of young Macedonians, some tortured, others massacred in the spring of 2001 by "Albanian" Nazi fascist extremists and terrorists and with the help of corrupt Macedonian traitors, who call themselves politicians and the Western World's Governments, and the Western World's organizations the NATO, the UN and the EU.

This is an echo of the Second World War when Hitler's nazis and Mussolini's fascists occupied Macedonia and gave the "Albanian" terrorists and fascists permission to massacre, murder and slaughter hundreds of thousands of Macedonians. Now the NATO, the UN and the EU are the barbarian, performing the same task as Hitler and Mussolini did. We Macedonians will never forget nor forgive this.

Many people have asked why the CD-book is named Macedonia for the Macedonians. The answer to this question will be revealed when you read the CD-book.

The price of the CD-book is 16 Euro including shipping. Would you like to be a distributor? The price is then 10 Euro per CD-book including shipping, if you order 20 CD-books or more.

To order the CD-book send an e-mail to: Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet Ljupco_Mircevski_Trepet@hotmail.com, TREPET_1@hotmail.com

Please visit my web site: http://trepet.ds4a.com ; http://trepet.1colony.com

I guarantee you that you will not be disappointed when buying this book. I can promise you an interesting and exciting reading.

Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet



MACEDONIAN BOOK 2006 - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS!

Read about Communism and Democracy, Justice and Solidarity, War and Peace, Discriminations and Violations and so on.

Read and see the truth about Macedonia and the Macedonian nation.

My name is Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet and I am a Macedonian, born in Macedonia.
For many years I have fought against the violations and discriminations of the Macedonian people executed by different countries in the world, especially the Western World and the Asian occupants of Macedonian territory.

I have written several protest letters to all the great organisations that claim to be democratic, loyal and fair. In these letters I have written and demanded from the anti-democratic organisations and governments in the West that they should not meddle in Macedonia or violate and discriminate the Macedonian people and falsify our history.

Macedonia is a nation that has suffered oppression during decades, genocide and ethnic cleansing. Macedonia is a nation that has been shattered and that the world has forgotten about.

Western authors, historians, experts, archaeologists teachers, professors and politicians have deprived the Macedonian nation of its history, traditions, culture, identity, literature, symbols and land, and falsified our Macedonian antiquity.

The media of the Western World has never revealed the truth about Macedonia, only presented fabricated, anti-Macedonian propaganda. During the 20th century we have heard and seen the Western World's propaganda, discrimination and violations against Macedonia and the Macedonian nation. Now it is time for us to make our voices heard and to inform the world about the truth. We want to show the world our struggle for justice and reveal to the world the truth about Macedonia and the Macedonian nation.

I have put together all of the letters that I have written into a CD-book. However, the CD-book is not only about the Macedonian question and the Macedonian nation but also about how the Western World treats immigrants; the discriminations and violations against immigrants (A hell of a life for immigrants in the Western World). It is also about the Western World's crime and the provocations and the promotion of war outside its borders.

The CD-book contains part 1 (430 pages) and part 2 (502) pages. This is a voluminous collection of material containing protest letters to different international organisations, institutes, governments and so on, answers and reactions from some of them, pictures and maps and much more. The main part of the material is written in English (95%) but there are also texts in Macedonian, German and Scandinavian.

My struggle for Macedonia has had many positive reactions. In this CD-book you will find the truth and not fabricated stories as you will find many journalists and authors to write. When reading this book, many of you will change your opinion regarding history and about the Western World's democracy, justice and solidarity.

Many people have asked why the CD-book is named Macedonia for the Macedonians. The answer to this question will be revealed when you read the CD-book.

The price of the CD-book is 16 Euro including shipping. For distributors, the price is 10 Euro per CD-book including shipping, when ordering 20 CD-books or more.

To order the CD-book send an e-mail to: Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet Ljupco_Mircevski_Trepet@hotmail.com, TREPET_1@hotmail.com

Please visit my web site: http://trepet.ds4a.com ; http://trepet.1colony.com

I guarantee you that you will not be disappointed when buying this book. I can promise you an interesting and exciting reading.

Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet


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Do Gospodin Trepet Velikanot i Carot Makedonski od eden Makedonski revolucioner -- VMRO-MNM (VMRO-MNM (MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE)!), 09:25:54 05/12/07 Sat

BEZ MAKEDONSKO VOSTANIE (MEZ MAKEDONSKA REVOLUCIJA) I BEZ MAKEDONSKATA NACIONALNA ORGANIZACIJA VMRO-MNM I SE RAZBIRA NA CELO SO MAKEDONSKIOT VELIKAN I CAR G-DINOT VOJVODATA TREPET NEMA SPAS I SLOBODA ZA MAKEDONIJA I ZA MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD!


Från: Xxxxxx Xxxxxxxx xx-xxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com
Skickat: den 11 april 2007 01:14:26
Till: Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet trepet_1@hotmail.com
Ämne: Do Gospodin Trepet Velikanot i Carot Makedonski od eden Makedonski revolucioner

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Zdravo Vojvodo prvo sakam da ti go cestitam praznikot Veligden, Hristos Voskrese, do tebe i do site do VMRO-MNM. Evo nekoi sliki i gif animacii sto gi napraviv jas, ovie se gif animacii od znamencinja sto se vejat. Do sega nigde nemase vakvi evo jas se izboriv i uspeav samiot da napravam naj ubavi znamenicinja i gif animacii, nigde nemase vakvi. Imam tuka so zvezdata na Kutlesh, ima i gif animacija od znamence za tebe. Ke pravam uste mnogu drugi sega za sega ovie ke bidat za start. Inace sto ima novo kako organizacijata. Dobro Vojvodo bidi od mene mnogu pozdraven, bratski komitski, i patriotski pozdravi i do slusanje.

Da Zivee Svetata Pravoslavna zemja Makedonija i da se vee zvezdata na Kutlesh za sekogash

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Från: Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet trepet_1@hotmail.com
Skickat: den 12 april 2007 18:35:14
Till: Xxxxxx Xxxxxxxx xx-xxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com
Kopia: TREPET_1@hotmail.com, Ljupco_Mircevski_Trepet@hotmail.com, trepet_vmro_mnm@hotmail.com, vmro_mnm_trepet@hotmail.com, VMRO_1893_MNM_1997@HOTMAIL.COM, MAKEDONSKI_KOMITA_1@hotmail.com
Ämne: RE: Xxxxxx neka ti e sreken Makedonskiot pravoslaven praznik Veligden.

Vnatresna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija - Makedonija Na Makedoncite (VMRO-MNM)!

Kontakti na E-mail posti: Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet , Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet , Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet , VMRO-MNM TREPET , VMRO 1893 MNM 1997

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Zdravo zivo Makeodnski komita i patriot Xxxxxx,

Xxxxxx i od mene i od site Makedonski revolucioneri, komiti i patrioti od Makedonskata nacionala organizacija VMRO-MNM (Makedonija Na Makedoncite) i tebe neka ti e sreken Makedonskiot pravoslaven praznik Veligden. Hristos Voskrese! Navistina voskrese! i ti posakuvame so mogo dobro zdravje, ces i ljubov kon Makedonskata pravoslavna vera i kon nasata ni mila i sakana majka i tatkovina Makedonija i ti posakuvame od sesrce dobar, uspesen i ploden napredok vo idninata.

Od se srce i so golema gordost i na vistina se gordeam so tebe i so tvoite golemi komitski i patriotski aktivnosti i so zastita na Makedonskite nacionalni, drzavni i istoriski simboli, kralevi i vojvodi idr. Toa sto si go napravil e navistina relna i vistinska Makedonska komitska, patriotska i revolucionerna REVOLUCIJA. Bravo, bravo i bravo Xxxxxx. So takvi dobri, realni, cesni, hrabri i gordi Makedonci kako sto si ti, nie site dobri, realni, cesni, hrabri i gordi Makedonci ke gi zastituvame nasite nacionalni i drzavni Makedonski interesi i ke se borime za Makedonskata kauza i ke se borime za da ja oslobidime nasata ni porobena mila Majka Makedonija i da go oslobodime i spasime nasiot poroben dobar i nastradan Makedonski narod prokletite neprijateli i okupatori od azijatskite divi i karpetinski gnasni i smrdlivi pleminja koj sto se golemi nacisti, fasisti, fanatici, varvari, lazgovci, agresori, provokatori, ekstremisti, ubici, teroristi, razbojnici, banditi, zverovi, krvo pici, gjavoli, vampiri, pedofili, psihopati i sizofrenicari i se razbira i golmi krvni imperialisti koj sto im se mnogo krvavi racete i telata od Makedonska krv......
Tesko mi e sto site Makedonci ne sme obedineti i edinstveni kao sto se nasite prokleti neprijateli i okupatori (krvnite imperialisti koj sto im se mnogo krvavi racete i telata od Makedonska krv). Od sto nasiot Makedonski narod ne e obedinet i edinstven, poslednite 15 godini pocna Makedonskiot narpod eden sprema dug da se mrazi i da si zaboduvat nozevi v grb. Jas krajno sum razocaran i revoltiran od nasiot neobedinet i ne edinstven Makedonski narod, no sepak ne se predavam i ne otkazuvam za da rabotam i da se boram za zastita na Makedonskite nacionalni i drzavni interesi. Jas ne samo da sum krajno razocarn i revoltiran od nasiot neobedinet i ne edinstven Makedonski narod, nego pogolem broj od toj nas narod ostro go osuduvam za sorabotka so nasite dusmanski i zveski neprijateli i okupatori i so sorabotka i so podrska kon nasite golemi izrodi (predavnicki zverovi zverski) koruptirani i prodadeni dusi, razbojnici i mafijaski banditi taka nareceni "politicari", koj sto osnovaa-formiraa desetina taka nareceni Makedonski politicki partii i organizacii za da ja unistat nasata ni mila i sakana Majka Makeodnija i da ni ja unistat nasat Makedonska pravoslavna vera. Jas site tie Makedonci sto se clenovi, sipatizeri i sto gi podrzavaat i pomagat razbojnickite, mafijaskite i banditskite taka narecenite Makedonski politicki partii i organizacii tie Makedonci ne gi smatram za dobri Makedonci, nego gi smatram za losi Makedonci i gi dekrairam kako golemi drzavni i nacionalni predavnici nad svojata rodna Majka i tatkovina Makedonija i kon svojot sopstven i nastradan Makedonski narod.

Xxxxxx prasuvas sto ima novo i kako organizacijata. Naj iskreno da ti kazam deka Makedonskata nacionala organizacija VMRO-MNM (Makedonija Na Makedoncite) uspesno napreduva i sekoj dnevno dobivame dobri, cesni, realni, gordi i hrabri Makedonski revolucioneri, komiti i patrioti. Organizacijata VMRO-MNM so redovnite i sekoj dnevnite aktivnosti napreduva sirom celiot svet koj sto clenovite i sipatizerite na nasata organizacija VMRO-MNM preko E-ail posti i internet forumi i knigi za gosti i drugi web stranici se isprakjat i se postavuvat nasi materiali i cvrsto sum ubeden deka so nasite matriali imame napraveno golemi uspesi i se ima golem vrden plod za Makedonskata kauza i za zastita na nasite Makedonski nacionalni i drzavni intersi. Jas veruvam i ubeden sum deka so golemite aktivnosti i borbi od site nas od Makedonskata nacionala organizacija VMRO-MNM (Makedonija Na Makedoncite) go imame zacuvano celiot Vardarski del na Makedonija (barem de sega), no za vo idnina ke vidime, no sepak jas veruvam i sum ubeden deka se dodeka postoi Makedonskata nacionala organizacija VMRO-MNM (Makedonija Na Makedoncite) i Vardarskiot del na Makedonija ke postoi, za zal so prokletoto ni nametnato ime fyrom i so prokletiot satanski ventilator. Ako vo slucaj Makedonskata organizacija VMRO-MNM se rasformira tokas jas veruvam i sum ubeden deka celiot Vardarski del na Makedonija ke se spoi so taka narecenata "albanija" koj sto od 1913 godina dobija del od Makedonsakta zemja tie gnasnite i smrdlivite siptari (prokleti anrnauti i balisti) azijatski-kafkaski albanski koj sto se golemi nacisti, fasisti, fanatici, varvari, lazgovci, agresori, provokatori, ekstremisti, ubici, teroristi, razbojnici, banditi, zverovi, krvo pici, gjavoli, vampiri, pedofili, psihopati i sizofrenicari. Ili pak tie gnasni i smrdlivi sipatri ke napravat treta taka narecena albnska drzava ("albanija i kosova" a kako kje ja imenuvat tretata nivna "drzava" (Vardarskiot del na Makedonija) za toa kje vidime i ke cueme, se razbira sve od Makeodnskata istoriska zemja.
No jas veruva i sum ubeden deka vo idnina (odnosno za vo rok od 4-5 godini) so i vo nasata Makedonska nacionala organizacija VMRO-MNM, ke se obedinat i zaclenat site dobri, cesni, realni, gordi i hrabri Makedonski revolucioneri, komiti i patrioti i ke se krene MAKEDONSKO NACIONALNO VOSTANIE (MAKEDONSKA KOMITSKA I PATRIOTSKA REVOLUCIJA), koj sto gordo ke se peat komitski i patriotski pesni (SLOBODA ILI SMRT ZA MAKEDONIJA I ZA MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD, SMRT ZA NASITE DUSMANSKI I ZVERSKI NERIJATELI I OKUPATORI I SMR ZA KLETITE MAKEDONSKI IZRODI-PREDAVNICKI ZVEROVI-ZVERSKI), i visoko ke se krenat Makedonskite nacionalni znaminja (visoko krenato Makedonskoto nacionalno i drzavno zname sesnaesetzracnoto sonce-zvezdata od Makedonskiot istoriski i kralevinski grad KUTLES) i visoko krenato znameto so Makedonskiot grb so Makedonskiot istoriskot lav i se razbira so novoto zname-simbolot na Makedonskata nacionala organizacija VMRO-MNM (Makedonija Na Makedoncite) SO KNIGATA SO REVOLVEROT I KAMATA OD NASATA SVETA I ISTORISKA REVOLUCIONERNA ORGANIZACIJA VMRO.

XXXXXX MAKEDONSKI KOMITA I PATRIOT, ZA SEGA TOLKU OD MENE I PRIMI GOLEMI MAKEODNSKI BRATSKI, KOMITSKI I PATRIOTSKI POZDRAVI I DO CITANJE!

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April 3 2006 at 3:30 AM Danilo (no login)

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Pozdrav vojvodo,
se poretko i poretko slusame od tebe i za tebe. Vo posledno vreme pocna da se siri vesta deka vladata go kupila Trepet. Pa zatoa resiv vaka javno da te prasam dali e ova vistina. Dali e vistina deka Bucko i Branko te imat kupeno za da prestanes so tvojata borba za Makedonija? Mnogu cesni Makedonci se razocarani od ova. Kazi iskreno za kolku pari te kupija? Mnogumina Makedonci bea reseni da te sledat no tvojot predavncki poteg site ne razocara. Vamu se vrti suma od nekolku miljoni evra, i sakam da znam, ine samo jas ami i stotici drugi patrioti sakaat da znaat kolku e taa suma so te kupile i dali vredese da se prodavas i da ja prodades Makedonija za grst pari.

Pozdrav od Danilo i grupa komiti od Prilep.

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April 29 2006, 6:03 AM

Vnatresna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija - Makedonija Na Makedoncite (VMRO-MNM)!

Kontakti na E-mail posti: Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet TREPET_1@hotmail.com, Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet trepet_vmro_mnm@hotmail.com, VMRO-MNM TREPET vmro_mnm_trepet@hotmail.com, VMRO 1893 MNM 1997 VMRO_1893_MNM_1997@HOTMAIL.COM

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Zdravo zivo Makedonski patriot Danilo,

Danilo kako prvo ti blagodaram za informaciite a kako vtoro ti se izvinuvam sto ne ti odgovoriv porano na tvojata patriotska reakcija. Imav mnogo rabota i ne mozev da ti ogovoram (a i voedno so zdravjeto nesum dobar i zatoa bev ocuten so mioite aktivnosti), za da ti ja kazam vistinata (od edna strana na slicno prasanje imav odgovoreno i na drug Makedonec na drug forum), se razbira dokolku mi veruvas mene ili na tie sto gi izmisluvat tie spekulacii, anti Trepet propagandi i lagi protiv mene.
Brat Danilo edno ke ti kazam tebe i na site drugi Makedonci i patrioti sto me podrzavat i sto imaat doverba kon mene, deka nikoj na ovaj svet niti pak Makedonskite izrodi (predavnicki zverovi-zverski) ne moze i ne mozat da go kumpat Makedonecot Trepet so pari, ne da se zboruva za nekolku miljoni evra, ne mozat da me kupat niti so miljardi evra. Probaa da me kupat no ne im uspea, a ednite od tie sto sakaa da me kupat so nekolku miljoni dolari bea ednite od naj golemite dusmanski neprijateli na Makeodnskiot narod taka narecenite "grci". Danilo, ja nema taa suma na pari sto moze mene da me kupi i da postana Makedonski drzavni i nacionalni predavnik, jas rabotam seriozno i cesno se boram i toa protiv site dusmanski neprijateli na Makeodnskiot narod i nikoj ne moze da me spreci i da prestanam za da se boram za Makeodnskata kauza i za da gi zastiruvam Makedoksite drzavni i nacionalni interesi. Za da me sprecat i da prestanam so mojata aktivna rabota i borba za Makeodnskata kauza, mozat da me sprecat samo pod eden nacin, a toa ako imat smelost i hrabrost da me ubijat, e togas mozat da me sprecat za da ne mozam povise da rabotam i da se boram za obedineta Makeodnija i za spas na Makeodnskiot narod, za zastita na nacionalnite interesi i za Makeodnskata kauza.
Sekoj Makedonec sto znae za mene i procital del od moite materiali, znae i znaat deka jas realno i vistinski kazuvam, deka javno se izjasniv za site golemi nadvoresni dusmanski i krvnicki neprijateli na Makedonskiot narod pa i za site dusmanskite i krvnickite Makedonski izrodi (predavnicki zverovi-zverski).

Danilo za takvi spekulacii, anti Trepet propagandi i lagi, bi trebalo da se objavat, da kazat i pokazat vo Makedonskata javnost (vo taka narecenite Makeodnski mediumi), jas veruvam deka ne moze nikoj da objavi, da kaze i da pokaze deka dusmanskite i krvnickite Makedonski isrodi (predavnicki zverovi-zverski) go kupile Trepet so nekolku miljoni evra za da prestane so negovata borba za Makeodnija. A za toa mozam iskreno da kazam i garantiram 100 posto deka anti makeodnskite mediumi ne smeat da objavuvat, da kazuvat i pisuvat za mene, a toa se znae zosto, zatoa sto nivnite bosovi od brisel, washington i bosovite sto sedat vo anti makeodnskata "vlada"-ventilator ne im dozvoluvat da se spomnuva moeto ime vo vesnicite, na radiata i na televiziiski kanali, niti pak na nivnite internet Web stranici.

Danilo ima mnogo da se pisuva no za sega tolku od mene i se nadevam deka na tebe i na site Makeodnci i Makeodnski komiti i patrioti mojot ogovor ke ve raspoloze i ke vi bide vo dobro raspolozenie i edna realna i vistinska slika.

DANILO I SITE DOBRI, CESNI I REALNI BRAKJA I SESTRI MAKEODNKI I MAKEODNCI I MAKEDONSKI KOMITI I PATRIOTI PRIMITE ISKRENI MAKEDONSKI BRATSKI, KOMITISKI I PATRIOTSKI POZDRAVI OD MENE I OD SITE KOMITI I PATRIOTI OD VMRO-MNM!

SLOBODA ILI SMRT ZA OBEDINETA MAKEDONSKA DRZAVA I ZA MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD!

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Islam is the Enemy -- Pahu, 17:10:01 12/09/06 Sat

ISLAM IS THE ENEMY
A Letter From An American Airlines Pilot


This well-spoken man, who is a pilot with American Airlines, says what is in his heart beautifully Read, absorb and pass on. It's time to get answers from those who claim their terrorist members do not represent them. Why are their leaders not LOUDLY AND FIERCELY AND CONTINUOUSLY condemning their visible murderous brethren?

YOU WORRY ME! By American Airlines Pilot Captain John Maniscalco:

I've been trying to say this since 9-11 but you worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I love, that your color and culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me. I notice you because I can't help it anymore. People from your homelands, professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully understand their grievances and hate but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.

On September 11, nineteen ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and crashed them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons, wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches, fearless public servants, and children's mothers. The Palestinians Celebrated. The Iraqis were overjoyed as was most of the Arab world.

So I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has destroyed the soul of these terrorists. But I need your help. As a rational American, trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know how to tell the difference between you, and the Arab/Muslim terrorist. How do I differentiate between the true Arab/Muslim-Americans and the Arab/Muslims in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter these same good neighbors and children?

The events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my responsibility to determine which of you embraces our great country, with ALL of its religions, with ALL of its different citizens, with all of its faults. It is time for every Arab/Muslim in this country to determine it for me. I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know whether or not you love America. Do you pledge allegiance to its flag? Do you proudly display it in front of your house, or on your car? Do you pray in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation, that He will protect and prosper it? Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in one of your "Jihads"?

Are you thankful for the freedom that only this nation affords, a freedom that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of patriots who gave their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve this freedom by paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America? If this is your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it.

Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United States of America Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of the innocent because I worry about who you regard as innocent. No more benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I worry about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in any more sympathy. I am only interested in action.

What will you do for America—our great country—at this time of crisis, at this time of war? I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets. I want to hear you chanting "Allah Bless America " I want to see young Arab/Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to this nation as a whole.

The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to regarding the WTC attack. Many of these people live and socialize in Muslim communities. You know them. You know where they are. Hand them over to us, now! But I have seen little even approaching this sort of action. Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community close even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted armed security guards at your facilities. You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from reprisals.

The very few Arab/Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that the United States proves who was responsible before taking action. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with supporting our country and denouncing "leaders" like Khadafi, Hussein, Farrakhan, and Arafat.

If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for all people then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in the Koran are good and pure and true when your "leaders" are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance?

It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if large numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a degenerative form of the religion.

A form that has been demonstrated to us over and over again.

A form whose structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death, and suicide.

A form whose members are recruited from the prisons around the world.

A form whose members (some as young as five years old) are seen day after day, week in and week out, year after year, marching in the streets around the world, burning effigies of our presidents, burning the American flag, shooting weapons into the air.

A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up arms against the great United States of America, the country of their birth.

A form whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling members refuse to show their faces at airport security checkpoints, in the name of Islam.

Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because our women proudly show their faces in public rather than cover up like a shameful whore? Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because we drink wine with dinner, or celebrate Christmas? Do you and you fellow Muslims hate us because we have befriended Israel, the ONLY FRIENDLY CIVILIZED SOCIETY in the Muslim/Arab area, that thinks and acts like most Americans? And if you and your fellow Muslims hate us, then why in the world are you even here? Are you here to take our money? Are you here to undermine our peace and stability? Are you here to destroy us?

If so, I want you to leave. I want you to go back to your desert sandpit where women are treated like rats and dogs. I want you to take your religion, your friends, and your family back to your Islamic extremists, and STAY THERE! We will NEVER give in to your influence, your retarded mentality, and your twisted, violent, intolerant religion. We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest constitution in the world.

I want to know where every Arab/ Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of this country to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very constitution that is protecting you and your family. I am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow American. But there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance and it is up to YOU to show ME where YOU stand. Until then, you worry me!


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David Duke is a malignant narcissist -- Don Black, 23:33:29 06/28/06 Wed

David Duke is a malignant narcissist

He invents and then projects a false, fictitious, self for the world to fear, or to admire. He maintains a tenuous grasp on reality to start with and the trappings of power further exacerbate this. Real life authority and David Duke’s predilection to surround him with obsequious sycophants support David Duke’s grandiose self-delusions and fantasies of omnipotence and omniscience.

David Duke's personality is so precariously balanced that he cannot tolerate even a hint of criticism and disagreement. Most narcissists are paranoid and suffer from ideas of reference (the delusion that they are being mocked or discussed when they are not). Thus, narcissists often regard themselves as "victims of persecution".

Duke fosters and encourages a personality cult with all the hallmarks of an institutional religion: priesthood, rites, rituals, temples, worship, catechism, and mythology. The leader is this religion's ascetic saint. He monastically denies himself earthly pleasures (or so he claims) in order to be able to dedicate himself fully to his calling.
Duke is a monstrously inverted Jesus, sacrificing his life and denying himself so that his people - or humanity at large - should benefit. By surpassing and suppressing his humanity, Duke became a distorted version of Nietzsche's "superman". But being a-human or super-human also means being a-sexual and a-moral.

In this restricted sense, narcissistic leaders are post-modernist and moral relativists. They project to the masses an androgynous figure and enhance it by engendering the adoration of nudity and all things "natural" - or by strongly repressing these feelings. But what they refer to, as "nature" is not natural at all.

Duke invariably proffers an aesthetic of decadence and evil carefully orchestrated and artificial - though it is not perceived this way by him or by his followers. Narcissistic leadership is about reproduced copies, not about originals. It is about the manipulation of symbols - not about veritable atavism or true conservatism.

In short: narcissistic leadership is about theatre, not about life. To enjoy the spectacle (and be subsumed by it), the leader demands the suspension of judgment, depersonalization, and de-realization. Catharsis is tantamount, in this narcissistic dramaturgy, to self-annulment.

Narcissism is nihilistic not only operationally, or ideologically. Its very language and narratives are nihilistic. Narcissism is conspicuous nihilism - and the cult's leader serves as a role model, annihilating the Man, only to re-appear as a pre-ordained and irresistible force of nature.

Narcissistic leadership often poses as a rebellion against the "old ways" - against the hegemonic culture, the upper classes, the established religions, the superpowers, the corrupt order. Narcissistic movements are puerile, a reaction to narcissistic injuries inflicted upon David Duke like (and rather psychopathic) toddler nation-state, or group, or upon the leader.

Minorities or "others" - often arbitrarily selected - constitute a perfect, easily identifiable, embodiment of all that is "wrong". They are accused of being old, they are eerily disembodied, they are cosmopolitan, they are part of the establishment, they are "decadent", they are hated on religious and socio-economic grounds, or because of their race, sexual orientation, origin ... They are different, they are narcissistic (feel and act as morally superior), they are everywhere, they are defenseless, they are credulous, they are adaptable (and thus can be co-opted to collaborate in their own destruction). They are the perfect hate figure. Narcissists thrive on hatred and pathological envy.

This is precisely the source of the fascination with Hitler, diagnosed by Erich Fromm - together with Stalin - as a malignant narcissist. He was an inverted human. His unconscious was his conscious. He acted out our most repressed drives, fantasies, and wishes. He provides us with a glimpse of the horrors that lie beneath the veneer, the barbarians at our personal gates, and what it was like before we invented civilization. Hitler forced us all through a time warp and many did not emerge. He was not the devil. He was one of us. He was what Arendt aptly called the banality of evil. Just an ordinary, mentally disturbed, failure, a member of a mentally disturbed and failing nation, who lived through disturbed and failing times. He was the perfect mirror, a channel, a voice, and the very depth of our souls.

Duke prefers the sparkle and glamour of well-orchestrated illusions to the tedium and method of real accomplishments. His reign is all smoke and mirrors, devoid of substances, consisting of mere appearances and mass delusions. In the aftermath of his regime - Duke having died, been deposed, or voted out of office - it all unravels. The tireless and constant prestidigitation ceases and the entire edifice crumbles. What looked like an economic miracle turns out to have been a fraud-laced bubble. Loosely held empires disintegrate. Laboriously assembled business conglomerates go to pieces. "Earth shattering" and "revolutionary" scientific discoveries and theories are discredited. Social experiments end in mayhem.

It is important to understand that the use of violence must be ego-syntonic. It must accord with the self-image of David Duke. It must abet and sustain his grandiose fantasies and feed his sense of entitlement. It must conform David Duke like narrative. Thus, David Duke who regards himself as the benefactor of the poor, a member of the common folk, the representative of the disenfranchised, the champion of the dispossessed against the corrupt elite - is highly unlikely to use violence at first. The pacific mask crumbles when David Duke has become convinced that the very people he purported to speak for, his constituency, his grassroots fans, and the prime sources of his narcissistic supply - have turned against him. At first, in a desperate effort to maintain the fiction underlying his chaotic personality, David Duke strives to explain away the sudden reversal of sentiment. "The people are being duped by (the media, big industry, the military, the elite, etc.)", "they don't really know what they are doing", "following a rude awakening, they will revert to form", etc. When these flimsy attempts to patch a tattered personal mythology fail, David Duke becomes injured. Narcissistic injury inevitably leads to narcissistic rage and to a terrifying display of unbridled aggression. The pent-up frustration and hurt translate into devaluation. That which was previously idealized - is now discarded with contempt and hatred. This primitive defense mechanism is called "splitting". To David Duke, things and people are either entirely bad (evil) or entirely good. He projects onto others his own shortcomings and negative emotions, thus becoming a totally good object. Duke is likely to justify the butchering of his own people by claiming that they intended to kill him, undo the revolution, devastate the economy, or the country, etc. The "small people", the "rank and file", and the "loyal soldiers" of David Duke - his flock, his nation, and his employees - they pay the price. The disillusionment and disenchantment are agonizing. The process of reconstruction, of rising from the ashes, of overcoming the trauma of having been deceived, exploited and manipulated - is drawn-out. It is difficult to trust again, to have faith, to love, to be led, to collaborate. Feelings of shame and guilt engulf the erstwhile followers of David Duke. This is his sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder.



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The news media and political protests - Question -- Wise One, 15:13:55 01/12/01 Fri

Brilliant Article-

My question is what was it that convinced the media to show people the truth in the 1960's?


"Lipstadt also mentions that in January, 1944, Arthur Koestler cited U. S. public opinion polls showing that nine out of ten Americans believed that reports of a Nazi threat were propaganda lies."

This closely mirrors how Many Americans, regardless of political orientation, view what is reported today by the media. Because much of what is reported today IS propaganda, it seems American can no longer recognize what actually is the truth.

I wonder if it was that lack of trust that forced the media to start showing the truth. If so, I wonder if it is possible for that to happen again.

I was not alive during the 60's, but I feel that whatever changed the minds of the media to start showing the truth is a crucial key to getting them to start doing the same today.


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[> Re: The news media and political protests - Question -- S. Todd, 16:02:25 01/12/01 Fri

Regarding the willingness of the News Media to cover the civil rights story in the 1960's: It is critical to remember how important this issue was in the context of the cold war. The US legal Jim Crow structure was a profound problem and embarrassment in establishing relationships with Asian and African countries emerging from Colonial Status, and it was very much in the National Interest to eliminate Jim Crow laws as part of the larger confrontation with the Soviet Union and general Marxist Ideology. Without question National Media understood this connection, and the coverage served to convince mainstream Americans of the need for change, thus creating popular support for much legislation, the court decisions, and the popular movements such as King's SCLC and the work of the NAACP. Ironically in much of the south, Network Coverage was censored with few of the special programs such as CBS Reports or NBC's White Papers available there, thus much persuasion material was only directed toward the North and West. This did not really change till the mid-60's when FCC challenges to licenses were mounted.


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[> Re: The news media and political protests - Question -- vikki farrell, 10:30:13 05/28/04 Fri

I am writting a paper on the media and how it influenced the protests during the 1960 era. I am searching for sources to support the fact that the media attention to these causes made the general population of America aware and compassionate.
Can anyone help? My paper is due Tuesday.
Thanks-
Vikki


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[> Re: Welcome -- god god, 17:49:20 04/03/04 Sat

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The Truth About NLP -- Ex-NLP Person, 16:18:54 12/23/03 Tue

I wanted to write a piece on what I have gleaned from the study of "Neurolinguistic Programming," hereafter refered to as "NLP." My first encounter with it was when I went to a Tony Robbins "Firewalk Seminar" in 1984. After going through the seminar and walking over the hot coals, I thought that my life would be totally transformed, and that the hundreds of dollars I spent would be worth it; even though I could not really afford the money I had just blown on the seminar. Needless to say, when everything wore off and nothing changed, I really felt ripped-off. At first I attributed it to my own ignorance, in not being sufficiently knowledgeable on the subject of NLP. So I spent some time reading Tony Robbins' book: "Unlimited Power," as well as studying the works of Bandler and Grinder, such as "Trance-Formations" and "Frogs Into Princes." I will say at the outset, that NLP is a very complicated subject, the mastery of which is well outside the range of average intelligence. I have studied it off-and-on since 1984, and I cannot say that I have mastered it by any means. However, I have studied it long enough to know what NLP is, and what it can and cannot do. I am disgusted by the claims made by NLP practitioners as to its "theraputic" and "transformational power," to "get all you want out of life," and all this, these claims are absolute bunk. NLP has no value as a form of therapy whatsoever, in that it was not designed for that purpose. NLP on the other hand, is a "Persuasion Psychology" based on neuro-scientific, behavioral, and hypnotic models, and in this sense it is very powerful. With NLP you can manipulate anyone into anything, and its use of neurosensory models combined with hypnotic techniques can create very powerful; yet temporary effects. But since NLP uses transformational grammer in relation to sensory feedback (Visual, Auditory, Kinesthetic) to elicit both influence and trance-states, its effects are incredibly powerful from the standpoint of inducing powerful short-term experiences, as well as gaining undue influence. And this is what its for. Bandler and Grinder rant and rave about having invented NLP, and it is possible that Bandler at least may have had a hand in its development. Its real origins begin with Col. John Alexander of the US Defense Department. NLP was developed as a tool of PSYOPs, or psychological warfare, designed to gain influence over people, (even enemies) rapidly and effectively. It could even be considered a form of short-term "brainwashing," for quick logistical purposes. The most powerful aspects of NLP come from the hypnotic models of Milton Erickson that it uses. Erickson was probably the greatest clinical hypnotist in the world. It would not be possible to get into all of the models of NLP here, because it is a complex subject. But some of the ones that are most powerful, are taken from Erickson's hypnotic systems based on an illusion of choice, that effects the unconscious mind, no matter what the conscious mind decides. e.g. "Would you like to read this whole article as you continue to do whatever it is you are doing?" This implies that whether you continue whatever it is you are doing, that you will read the whole article either way. Since I do not know what you are doing, I cannot incorporate it, if I did I would. e.g. "Did you know that you can find this article to be interesting?" This implies that you will find this article to be interesting on an unconscious level, whether you know it consciously or not. These are called "Pre-suppositions," and NLP uses these Ericksonian modes, along with many others. You have "Binds:" "Forget to remember to forget to try in vain to find this article interesting." If you try in vain to find this article interesting, that means you will find it to be boring, yet you won't, because I told you to forget the whole sentence. You have VAK's where people define their sensory models that you can use to influence them. e.g. I ask: "What makes you feel generous today?" He answers: "Well I picture an idea, *visual internal,* and say to myself, *auditory digital* that seeing you, *visual external* makes me want to help you out." I say: "Great, well imagine this scenario: *visual internal* when you hear what I have to say you will tell yourself, *auditory digital* that you can see obviously right in front of you, *visual external* that loaning me money is a good idea right now." This is called "eliciting a strategy." This person's neuro-associations for being generous were modeled and then used against him. This is one example about how NLP can be abused. But don't get tempted to misuse it, because people get temporarily "faked-out," but then they wise up later and get very mad. You have other things like "Submodalities:" e.g. Do people match or mis-match data? Do they move toward things or away from things?" Do they "sort by self?" i.e. understand the world on their own, or "sort by others?" i.e. understand the world based on how society tells them that it is. Are they Visual, Auditory, or Kinesthetic in their orientation? Do they feel what they express, or do they talk fast like they are seeing everything they are saying." You also have ambiguities: "They sure are feeling people!" This could mean that they are empathetic people, or literally touching people. Ambiguous terms that imply both nouns and adjectives are taken as commands at the unconscious level. NLP modes are exhaustive, I cannot get into too many of them here. But the idea is that NLP is actually a science of coercion, for the short term. It does this by using the neuro-sensory analogs of language to produce trance or effect persuasion in some form. From the standpoint of therapy in the long term it is useless, in that it deals only with "mental process", and not with "mental content". Only by effecting the contents and the qualitative aspects of the psyche can any change be produced, and doing this is very difficult, if not impossible in many cases. NLP is too nominalized in a "one-size-fits-all," kind of way. "Process therapy" deals only with externals; and even if it produces profound states of trance or influence, it only brushes the surface and does not change what needs to be changed deep inside the psyche. That is why NLP has been likened to chinese food; It is a great meal, but you get hungry again in a few hours. Tony Robbin's offshoot systems, along with Bandler and Grinder's variations are all pretty much the same stuff. NLP could not keep Bandler from having a substance abuse problem in the 1980's. NLP could not save Tony Robbins' marriage. "Physican heal thyself!" If your goal is to ruthlessly manipulate people and deal with the bad karma and enemies, then NLP is worth every dime. If your goal is to heal yourself and change your life, then take a walk on the beach, or engage in some introspection on your own. With NLP, you will just be pissing away your money that could be better spent elsewhere.
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[> Re: The Truth About NLP -- Goran, 21:28:05 03/13/04 Sat

It is true that NLP can be used for causing harm but it is also capable of producing some real powerful and wonderful results. So it depends which side you focus on; the good or the bad. The person who has written the above article obviosly his/her focus has switched from the good to the bad. Anyone who places enough effort in using NLP MUST get positive and excellent results. I am a living proof of that. The person who has written the negative view on NLP probabaly has not. He/she is right about wasting his money since he/she hasn't done enough to produce results. We can't expect results by sitting in our armchairs and expecting things to fall in our laps. We must place effort in order to "see" results.


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Declaration of the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization - VMRO-MNM! -- MACEDONIAN REVOLUTIONARY, 11:24:21 05/31/03 Sat

Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization - Macedonia For The Macedonians (VMRO-MNM)

February 13, 2001

Declaration

The Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization VMRO-MNM (Macedonia for the Macedonians) is writing in its declaration about the violations and political discrimination of the Macedonian people and the Macedonian country.

Concerning the violations and the political discrimination executed by the organization of human rights – the UN. The organization VMRO-MNM has written and protested, and demanded an acknowledgement of Macedonia under its historical name, that the name FYROM and the non-Macedonian flag, the "fan", should be removed. This has not been done and our country is still, incorrectly, named FYROM.

At the Millennium conference, in the beginning of Sept. 2000, the UN wrote the "Millennium" declaration, a declaration of justice, solidarity and the rights of all people in the world. A very important issue they neglected to bring up and to do something Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet about, was the rights of people, living in exile and oppressed by the powers of the Western World and of the occupants. We, the Macedonian people, are still harassed in our own country, by the neighbouring occupants, the Western World and by corrupt Macedonians, anti Macedonians. Many Macedonians and Macedonian Organizations, from the Aegean part of Macedonia, the Pirin part of Macedonia, the Vardar Part of Macedonia and from all over the world, have written and told about Macedonia, about our nationality, culture, history and so on.

At this conference we did not retrieve our true Macedonian name, the name of our ancestors, the name of our country - Macedonia but still the false creation FYROM is used. Nor was our Macedonian flag, the symbol of Kutles returned, but instead the Macedonian people are supposed to be content with this discrimination and violation of our nation and to accept the non-Macedonian flag, the "fan". Our nation is the oldest in the world, still we Macedonians are being violated and offended. This is criminal, undemocratically, political discrimination by the United Nations.

The United Nations is supposed to be the world's greatest organization for Human Rights, not an organization, supporting "Albanian" terrorists and bandits on the Balkans. At the very beginning, when the terror organization, the UCK was formed in Tirana, the UN supported the organization and paid the terror soldiers their wages, equal to what a labourer makes in the Western World. The UN is a murder organization that organizes terror groups all over the world, and not only the UN but also other human rights organizations are devoted to the same actions.

What has been written in the declaration is the same as it was 50 years ago. Nothing has been done for the people living on this planet. People all over the world are suffering, people live in poverty and people are being murdered every other second because of the injustice of organizations that are supposed to help people. The people in power and responsible for this, live their lives in luxury. Children are being used as slave workers by rich bandits.

We, the Macedonian people, do not accept this and the UN do not exist to us since there is corruption, Mafia and bandits inside this organization and the things the UN is doing to Macedonia is criminal. We demand, for the last time, that the name FYROM be removed, together with the "fan", the non-Macedonian flag, that is hanging in New York.

I hope the UN will listen to the Macedonian nation this time.The European Union is also corrupt. This is a Mafia organization, containing bandits and criminals. The Macedonian organization has also written to them about the situation and told them to stop the violations and the political discrimination against the Macedonian people. We demand that the name FYROM be removed and that the true historical name, Macedonia, will be applied. The EU must also stop interfering in the internal affairs of Macedonia.
Visa requirement for Macedonians with Macedonian passports.
Macedonians with Macedonian citizenship are forced to have visas to the whole Western World and to many Eastern countries.

The Western World speaks about free movement for people, open borders and so on.This is not reality.The Macedonian people are harassed and discriminated politically. For us being able to visit relatives or friends, some Western countries demand both money and uncountable documents.

There are some countries that do not demand any money for the visa but the number of documents one has to produce are innumerable. Besides this, one must also be able to prove that one has a considerable sum of money in ones account.

If perhaps an old Macedonian couple would like to go to France to visit their children it is requested of them, besides the 100 DM mark each of them have to pay for the visas, that they have between 10,000 and 12,000 Francs in their saving accounts if they are to retain a visa. And then they also have to produce a number of papers just so they can visit their children.

Younger Macedonians must also produce a certificate of employment to prove that they are regularly employed in another country and not trying to sneak into France or any other Western Country for that matter!

I would like to ask the French Government about what kind of rules these are and why a person who seek visa must have such large amounts in his/her account. Most people in Macedonia do not have that kind of money in their accounts. Nor have the majority in the Western World such sums.

This way France stops Macedonians from visiting their relatives. Most western countries have similar systems to shut out the people they do not want. This system is undemocratic and dictatorial.

Another issue I want to bring up is about why the Macedonians that live in an EU country must have visa to visit another EU country. If one for example lives in Sweden and wants to go to Germany for perhaps a weekend trip one must have a visa.

I think that the EU countries ought to have the same rules for all the citizens in a country irrespective of their national belongings. If we have a residence permit in a country why do we then have to have a visa? The borders are "open" between the EU countries but not for us, for us they are closed, we are second-rate citizens. But the EU countries are making money on us, this is criminal.

I want to mention a non EU country where no visa is needed if one has a residence permit in a western country. This country is Switzerland. It is to some extent some kind of justice, however, Macedonian citizens living in Macedonia have no right to visit Switzerland without a visa; but it is more justice than what the EU countries are showing us.

The Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM demand from all Western and East countries that the visa restraint for all Macedonian citizens immediately is removed.

Unfortunately there are other issues, more discriminating than the above mentioned. Macedonians who live in Macedonia and try to obtain permission to enter other countries, experiences great difficulty because of the "Albanians" that the foreign embassies in Macedonia have employed. One man, for example, has tried to obtain a visa to Switzerland, to visit his relatives, for several months. He is regularly employed and has provided all the documents and guaranties needed. These papers have then been sent as a registered letter to the Swiss Embassy in Macedonia but he has not even received an answer. He has visited the Swiss Embassy several times to hand in his application, since papers coming into "Albanian" hands disappear, but he has still not received a reply. The "Albanians" are complaining about violations and that they have no rights when it is the Macedonian people that are without rights. "Albanians" work at the hospitals, the authorities, airports, in large companies - often in top positions etc while the Macedonians experience unemployment. And since Macedonians encounter problems when they seek a visa permit the people you see travelling abroad are mostly "Albanians", who never seem to have any problems with any visa restraints. We know what nation that is oppressed and it is not the "Albanian" but the Macedonian nation. It is not surprising that people in Macedonia are afraid and do not trust the anti-Macedonian authorities.
An Organization
One strange thing is that the EU countries have different regulations different principles. Since they are members of the same union they ought to have one program, one statute, the same law in all EU countries, but this is not the case. In the Former Scandinavian Province of Sweden for example, you have to pay tax on books, which is a very big income source for the state. No other EU country has this rule. I feel that this tax ought to be removed immediately if there are to be the same EU rules.

It is also time to stop the discrimination and harassment against the immigrants in the Western World. An immigrant have no longer any rights. Their children are being persecuted in school. Immigrants are violated and discriminated, at the employment office, the unions, the labour market, the banks. Immigrants can no longer borrow money to start their own business because of their origin.

In Denmark they want to forbid home-language instructions in the schools. Immigrants are being discriminated and violated. As many as 40% of the immigrants want to leave the country too seek a better, more normal life. This concerns not only Denmark but whole of the Western World. In my opinion 95% of the Western World is Racist, Fascist and Nazi. Their politicians write beautiful speeches and talk much but do not fulfil their promises. Secretly and in silence they are doing the opposite. And if an immigrant is to complain he is met with negative answers.Nato, this nazi fascist and barbaric terror organization has occupied the country of Macedonia since the end of 1998 with its army troops of criminals and drug addicts. We have previously demanded that Nato must leave Macedonia and also pay compensation for everything that has been destroyed by Nato, for example roads, land and nature. For some time the soldiers have provoked and conducted criminal actions in Macedonia. They have armed the balisti, the "Albanians" from Caucasus so they can commence war and build their "Great-Albania". Macedonian soldiers have been kidnapped by the "Albanian" balisti to be used as trade for "Albanian" terrorists and Mafia bandits imprisoned in Macedonia. Numerous of Macedonian soldiers have been murdered by the "Albanian" fascists and Macedonian officers have been exposed to attacks and murdered.

In our country we do not accept drug addicts and alcoholics who takes advantage of our little girls, our little children. The Nazis and Fascists did the same under the Second World War as the Nato soldiers are doing now.

Nato has not come to Macedonia to keep the peace, but, as occupant, to steal the riches of Macedonia. Nato act as archaeologist and with its soldiers digging day and night to find and steal ancient Macedonian artefacts, gold and silver. And when they find the riches of Macedonia they have not time to dig them up but instead they use explosives. Then they arrive to the crime scene with their large machines, camouflaging the place, believing that no one will see them. This exploitation of a country is criminal.

How much the Western World has stolen from Macedonia we do not know yet, but I would guess that the sum exceeds hundreds of thousands billion dollars. The Macedonian people are living in poverty in their own country while the Western Worlds fascists and nazis are exploiting Macedonia. It is like taking the bread out of the child's mouth, Macedonia is a small country compared to "mighty" Europe.

I, as president of the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM, am optimistic, than one day you will return everything that you have stolen from us. The organization VMRO-MNM is giving Nato its last ultimatum, to leave Macedonian territory within thirty days.
In my previous letters to the Nato barbarians I wrote about the lethal weapons they have used in Serbia and other parts of the world. These criminal elements have poisoned the entire nature of the Balkans. Also Macedonia was hit under this so called "war" by hundreds of projectiles. Projectiles, that "missed" their aims in Serbia and in the province of Serbia, Kosovo-Metohija, and instead hit Macedonian territory. And Nato aircraft that could not land in the Adriatic Sea with their bombs emptied their deadly cargo over Macedonia. And the tracks were swiftly covered up by the Nato terrorists. The bombs were removed, the ground was covered with soil and grass. No Macedonian police, soldiers or journalists were allowed to pass on to the places of impact. But the poison that was spread in nature could not be covered up.
Eventually it has been revealed in the Media, what we already previously knew about the Western World's interference in other countries and their bombings with toxic material. The war in Iraq and the bomb attacks against Serbia, now finally the world reacts and criticise the Nato barbarians and terrorists, now when several people have died in diseases related to these attacks.
One should not only think about the soldiers. On the Balkans there are over 50 million people. How many of them who have become sick because of these chemical weapons no one knows yet.
The people involved in these bombings must be convicted of war crimes in The Hague:
Bill Clinton (Hitler II)
Madeline Albright
General Wesley K Clark
Richard Holbrooke
Tony Blair
Robin Cooke
Marti Ahtisaari
Javier Solana
Nato member states' governments
The government of Tirana

Gerhard Schröder
Joseph Fischer
Jacques Chirac
Göran Persson
Anna Lindh
Carl Bildt
United Nation Secretary
General Koffi Annan
The government of "Bulgaria"
The anti Macedonian government

The Governments of the Western World.
the Western World's authorities help the "Albanian" balists from Caucasus by letting them demonstrate and protest in the west about demands of Human Rights in Macedonia. Rights they already have but the Macedonian people lack.

So the "Albanians" demonstrations and protests are not about obtaining Human Rights but about provoking and frightening the Macedonian Nation. This has been going on for a very long time and the Macedonian people in the Western World feel provoked and threatened.

Several Macedonians have written to the anti-Macedonian Government to acquire an end to this. They have asked the government to urge the governments of the Western World to end and forbid such demonstrations.

But the anti-Macedonian Government is not on the side of the Macedonian people. It is a Mafia organization, consisting of terrorists, bandits, agents and spies. They who sit in the "government" and "parliament and also in political organizations are corrupt and sell themselves for western currency. Of course there are honourable Macedonian politicians but they have no power. They are tortured, imprisoned, murdered or forced to leave their native country.

It is therefore impossible that such a Government would demand that the Western World should stop and forbid these provocations that the "Albanian" balists carry out, organized by the Western World's Mafia organizations.

The groups that demonstrates are terrorists and bandits. Therefore I do not believe that the west will stop such demonstrations.

I, as president of the Organization VMRO-MNM have promised the Macedonian people that I will demand from all countries where there is "Albanian" balists, terrorists and Mafia that they immediately stop these demonstrations.

This declaration will be sent out to all the countries in the world and with this I demand that these provocative demonstrations, carried out by "Albanian" balists, immediately are stopped.
The Human Rights Organizations and Institutes in the world.
All those organizations that are called Human Rights Organizations have been created by the Western World, for the criminal bureaucrats and bandits, for the Rich that want more and are never satisfied.

The most dangerous of these are the UN, EU, NATO, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Helsinki Committee, UNICEF, USSC and the Red Cross. They are like Mafia Organizations, there to make money and to provoke outside the borders of the Western World. Bandits who sell weapons and create disturbances and war, who murder people.

My demand from these organizations is that they stop their blackmail, threats and murders on people around the world. People, who are truly intelligent, who will do good for the people in the world, whose first and only concern is not about money and who do not want to have anything to do with the corruption of the Western World.

The rich Capitalists of the Western World, with their money, behave as the "leaders" of the world. They believe they can do what they desire, bribe people or pay assassins to harass and terrorize good, honest people, people who want to work as good politicians, as good leaders in their own countries. But they are not given any chance by the bureaucrats and the Rich of the Western World who threaten their families or, eventually, murder them.

The politicians of the Western World criticise other countries outside the borders of the west about there being many corrupt politicians and so on. The truth is, that the corruption in the Western World is a gigantic Industry. The rich west bureaucrats and bandits ought to give the poor people the opportunity to prosper. Instead they take advantage of them, build hazardous fabrics in their countries and use their children as slave workers. These poor families, whose clever and intelligent children could do a lot of good in the world, are denied the right to adequate education.

Little girls and boys are kidnapped and brought to the brothels of the Western World. These little children are abused by paedophiles. Who are they? They are the ones sitting in Brussels, Strasbourg, the EU bureaucrats, the NATO barbarians. It is they who organize such organizations paid by the EU parliament. Stop the kidnappings executed by your Mafia organizations

Such bandits, who drains the blood out of children, are vampires. Large Western World companies, for example McDonalds and many other companies, ought to be ashamed using little children to make a profit. But they can not be ashamed since they have no feelings, they are murderers, vampires. And regarding the large medical companies. Inferior medicine are sent to poor countries while medicine of good quality are sent to the rich bureaucrats. Poor people can not pay for expensive medicine, only for the cheap, inferior ones, but such medicine is ineffective.This destructive system must change. This is murder!

There are innumerable of funds in the world that are supposed to look to the best for man kind. But the only obligation they seam to have is to make the rich richer so they can continue with their lives in luxury. For example the children's cancer fund and the lung fund receive large contributions from the public but only 2% of it is used to help the sick

Who is it then, who contributes to these funds? Well, ordinary people, adults but also children who ask their parents for money to certain collections that are being done in the schools.The only thing they are being, is cheated while the rich "democratic" bandits and politicians with their high salaries do not give away a single penny.

Speaking of crime and fraud I want to mention the human rights organization Amnesty International. Last year it came out that their criminal chairman in Stockholm had made a fortune on various funds. This man, Jesus Alcalá, lives in a luxurious house and drives around in a car worth around 100 000 DM. And his son has nothing to complain of.

Such criminal people and "human rights organizations" who are guilty of the death of millions of people, are not to be trusted, they are to be removed.They are not to be respected by the society of the world. This is not what the people should trust and invest in.
The neighbouring occupants of Macedonian territory:The Athenians – the Asian race that since 1830 is named "Greeks", (under Aleksandar Makedonski the Great’s empire Athens was known as the Asian province) occupying the Aegean part of Macedonia.The former Turkish gypsies that today are known as Bulgarians, occupying the Pirin part of Macedonia
The balisti, "Albanians" from Caucasus, occupying the Western part of Macedonia, Mala Prespa.
The Serbian vrhovisti, occupying a part of Northern Macedonia.
They are given by the Macedonian National organization VMRO-MNM a last chance to return Macedonian occupied territory.
The Vatican, the Egyptian government and Turkey has received demands from the Macedonian organization VMRO-MNM to return everything that once was stolen from the Macedonian people and the country of Macedonia.The Western World must accept the truth about the Macedonian history and the Macedonian nation. It is time for all museums, galleries, historical institutes’ etc., to return everything that has been stolen from us and to let the truth be revealed. The stolen Macedonian paintings, archaeological findings, statues of great Macedonian men and women, the stolen names of our kings and ancestors, our goods, the Macedonian classical antiquity and the truth about Macedonian literature, history, philosophy, poetry etc. This must be returned to the Macedonian people and the country of Macedonia. What belongs to us must be returned to us, immediately.The organization VMRO-MNM is again asking the students of the world to stop reading false history, literature and poetry and instead accept the truth. Do not let so called professors, historians, scientists and politicians, writers and journalists plunder the Macedonian people and the country of Macedonia and give it to the Athenians and the Bulgarians.
Message for the Macedonian Nation

I urge all Macedonians, wherever they live in the world, to boycott the trade of goods from Athens (Made in "Greece"), from the Asian Tatari (Made in "Bulgaria"), the Former Yugoslavian Republic of Slovenia (Made in "Slovenia") and the Former Yugoslavian Republic of Croatia (Made in "Croatia").

The boycott against Athens and the Asian Tatari do not need any presentation since their conducts are widely known. But regarding the other two, FYROS and FYROC, these states buys goods from Macedonia, from the Macedonian bandits, the Mafia, and then put their own labels on these goods. This is something we cannot accept, this is criminal!

Neither wine, as Vranac for example (a Macedonian wine that has been produced for thousands of years), nor preserved vegetables, as for example ajvar, pindjur, strong pepper (feferoni), mixed salad, are manufactured in Slovenia but is brought directly from Macedonia. The only thing the Slovenians do is to put their own labels on the cans. The Croats uses the same pranks on for example red paprika from Macedonia.

The Macedonian Nation must also boycott all diplomatic relations with FYROC since their Government co-operates with the Asian tatari's Government in Sofija in order to forge Macedonian history. Both Governments have made a deal about building a big statue in the town of Gjakovo in FYROC, representing two Macedonian patriots who fought for the Macedonian culture, two brothers, Dimitar and Konstantin Miladinovci. The Zagreb and the Sofija Government tries to take this legends from the Macedonian people and turn them into "Bulgarians". This is both humiliating and criminal by these Governments to continue to forge the history of other nationalities. The Macedonian nation do not accept this.

The family of Dimitar and Konstantin Miladinovci have protested and they have tried to stop these Governments attempts. The Macedonian Revolutionary Organization VMRO-MNM support their claims and we demand from the Zagreb Government that they stop meddling in other people's history and that they keep their hands from the Macedonian nation and the Macedonian history. This declaration will be sent to the Zagreb Government and with it the Macedonian organization demand a written answer that the claims from the family of Dimitrija and Konstantin Miladonovci and VMRO-MNM will be accepted.

FYROS and FYROC, who have acknowledged Macedonia under its true, accurate name, still uses the name FYROM in international connections, as for example the Eurovision Song Contest. The Macedonian nation do not concede to this

Catastrophically events continues in Macedonia. In the western parts of Macedonia the Macedonian children do not longer dare to go to school because of the "Albanian" terrorists. The terror leaders from the Serbian province of Kosovo-Metohija, Arben Dzaferi and Hashim Thaci (Tachi) have organized and armed "Albanian" youths. Many Macedonian children have been severely maltreated. This has made the Macedonian children afraid of going to school in their own country. Other children have been kidnapped and brought out of the country to the brothels of the Western World and to the luxury hotels and clubs of paedophiles. We do not accept these deeds.

And the "Albanian" terrorist leader Arben Dzaferi who is a member in the anti Macedonian Government in Skopje and terrorist leader no 2, Hashim Thaci (Tachi), in the Serbian province of Kosovo-Metohija, have organized a new terror organization together with Nato, in our country Macedonia. On Jan 22, 2000, they performed a terror attack on a police station in the village of Tearce in the Macedonian region of Tetovo. One policeman was murdered and three others were severely injured. We can not accept this. These terrorists, both "Albanians" and Nato must leave our country immediately. The Macedonian people in Macedonia must boycott "Albanian" stores and both adults as children must stop speaking to "Albanians", at work, in the streets, in the schools etc.

A boycott against the country "Albania" where the "Albanian" balists from Caucasus resides is however not necessary since there are no goods "Made in Albania". These unintelligent people have neither industries nor any products. They have terror organizations and Mafia bandits and their trade is in drugs from different countries and Mafia groups and in the Western World's weapons and drugs. They do not know anything else but crime, to murder and rape and provoke war.An Appeal from the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM

The Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM appeal for help and support, for acknowledgement of our country and for our independence. We thank the countries that have acknowledged Macedonia under its true, historical name and wait for remaining countries to follow their example as soon as possible.

We ask for support in the struggle against inequitable organizations and institutions for human rights. And by protesting, make these acknowledge Macedonia under its true, historical name and that the name FYROM vanishes for ever.

The Macedonian people are living, in all of the occupied territories, a terrible life in poverty with violations, torture and imprisonment. The Macedonian people have no human rights what so ever. Some months ago VMRO-MNM received a tape from a Macedonian group in Germany. The tape showed people, living in extreme poverty in the Aegean part of Macedonia, occupied by the Athenians.

Old people were interviewed and what they told us on the tape was unforgettable. They appealed to Macedonian patriots to save them from the penury they are living in because of the Athenian fascistic occupants. This tape reveals many villages that have been forgotten by the rest of the world. Water and electricity is missing, the houses are old, worn down and not fit to be inhabited. Nor is 80-90 year old people allowed to speak Macedonian but are forced to learn Athenian. Why these old people are alone in these forgotten villages without any children is because of their children being forced to leave the Aegean part of Macedonia by the Athenian fascists. These old people have never seen their children again and they have never meet their grand children since they are not let in to the Aegean part of Macedonia by the occupants

Genocide has been performed in the Aegean part of Macedonia by the Athenian occupants. The most known are the one after 1913 and during the Second World War and after. This tape is proof of what the Macedonian people, in the year 2001, are experiencing in their own country. One can wonder how a country, the so called "Greece" can be a member of the EU, a "democratic" organization. The bureaucratic bandits in Brussels, Strasbourg and Luxembourg should be ashamed.

If this tape was to be copied and sent to the press and the media of the world we can guarantee that no one would show it. The Western World would stop it so the truth about the Macedonian people will not come out. But the future will show the truth about the Macedonian nation.

This appeal will be sent by e-mail to all the governments of the world. We ask you to answer as soon as possible, by registered letter, sign by the country's head of State, on the address:

Web Site: http://www.vmro-mnm.com
Contact: macedonia_for_the_macedonians@vmro-mnm.com, info@vmro-mnm.com, trepet@vmro-mnm.com, vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com

We thank the countries that have supported us since before and they who in the future will support us.

United Macedonia

United Macedonians


Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
President of the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM


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VMRO-MNM (MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS)! -- MACEDONIAN REVOLUTIONARY, 07:23:50 04/18/03 Fri

From: "Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet" ljupco_mircevski_trepet@hotmail.com
To: macedonian_revolutionary@hotmail.com
CC: ljupco_mircevski_trepet@hotmail.com
Subject: Web sajtot na VMRO-MNM e zatvoren citajte ja mojta izjava.
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:15:52 +0000

Makedonski komito eve ja mojata izjava i sega mozes da ja preprakjas na Makedonski narod i postavi ja vo Makedonskite forumi.

Vnatresna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija - Makedonija Na Makedoncite (VMRO-MNM)!
Pretsedatel: Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet

Privremen kontakt na E-mail adresata Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
ljupco_mircevski_trepet@hotmail.com

11 April 2003 g.

Pocituvani braka i sestri Makedonki i Makedonci!

Deneska na den 11 April 2003 g. Na Vnatresna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija - Makedonija Na Makedoncite (VMRO-MNM). Web stranicata www.vmro-mnm.com se zatvori. Povodot i faktot za zatvaranjeto na Web stranicata www.vmro-mnm.com bese sto siptarskite, ekstremisti, nacisti, fasisti, pedofili, psihopati, sizofrenicari, teroristi i mafijaski banditi, aktivno se aktiviraa zaedno so Makeodnskite izrodi, predavnicki zverovi-zverski koj sto zaedno ja imat vlasta sobranieto i site drugi Makedonski institucii i asosijacii. Ke povtoram, povodot i faktot bese za ispratenite E-mail poraki od siptarskite zverski, zlocinski dusmani na Makedonskiot narod, so nivni zakani i provokacii. Nie od Organizacijata VMRO-MNM tie nivni agresorski, provokatorski, zakanuvacki i lazna propaganda E-mail poraki gi objavivme vo naj Makedonskiot nacionalen, komitski i patriotski Web sajt. Poslednite dve nedeli imavme konflikt so gazdite na kompanijata Mette Martinsen mette@isphuset.se i Tom Martinsen tom@isphuset.se, ISPHuset Nordic AB info@isphuset.se Webb: http://isphuset.se/.
Taka da gazdite, odnosno direktorite na kopanijata imale domieno E-mail poraki od siptarskite gadovi so zalbi sto nie sme objavuvale nivni E-mail poraki so nivni iminja i preziminja i sto sme gi narekle siptaraskite gnasotii za vistinski nasisti, fasisti i teroristi (E-MAIL FROM ALBANIAN NAZIS, FASCISTS AND TERRORISTS!). Taka da na direktorite ne im se dopadnalo dek nasite golemi agresori, zlocinci i dusmani sme gi narekle ALBANIAN NAZIS, FASCISTS AND TERRORISTS.
Pa neli zapadniot svet e demokratski, solidarni i realni. Sekoj covek ima pravo da si go iskaze svoeto mislenje. Ne samo nie Makedoncite nemame pravo da si go kazeme naseto mislenje. Da si ja kazuvame nasata vistina. Da gi kazime ogromnite zagrozuvanja i stradanja na dobriot, vernio, cesniot, realniot, zagrozeniot, napateniot i porobeniot Makedonski narod.

Pocituvani braka i sestri Makedonki i Makedonci. Jas vo prilog ke vi gi dostavam E-mail porakite od Direktorkata Mette Martinsen na kompanijata i mio odgovori. Analizite na E-mail porakite se napisani na Svedski-FSPOS jazik. Da jas ne vi gi preveduvam analizite na Makedonski jazik, moze nema da mi veruvate, pa zatoa mozete vie samite da se snajdete so preveduvanje na Makedonski jazik.
Citajte me posle E-mail porakite:

FROM: "ISPHuset / Mette Martinsen" info@isphuset.se
DATE: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:56:25 0200
TO: vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com
SUBJECT: SV: SV: Hemsidan och mailen igen!

Hej igen Ljupco

Mängden av klagar på din hemdia har ökt här, och styrelsen har beslutat att sidan brytar mot våra almänna vilkor. Du har till på fredag att hitta ett nytt webbhotell - härifrån kommer dina konton att stängas ner på nästa fredag. Vi beklagar, men det är inget annat vi kan göra.

Med vänlig hälsning
Mette Martinsen

Mette Martinsen / ISPHuset Nordic AB

Tlf: 46 (0)46 854 29, Fax: 46 (0)46 854 21
Email: mette@isphuset.se Webb: http://isphuset.se/

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: vmro-mnm mailto:vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com
Skickat: den 31 mars 2003 21:53
Till: ISPHuset / Mette Martinsen
Kopia: Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
Ämne: Re: SV: Hemsidan och mailen igen!


FROM: Alban halili shiptari195@yahoo.com.au
DATE: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 01:01:46 1000 (EST)
TO: "VMRO-MNM" info@vmro-mnm.com
SUBJECT: Mamu ti cigansku

HAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Macedonia is a heart of Albania!!!!!!!!!
and Shkupi will be the Capital of Greater Albania??
We "Kosovar black eagles" r able to take macedonia
within 2 hours???????
Kosovar black eagles" A special army unit mainly consisted of kOSOVARS aMERICANS and English paramilitary special troops???

Alla bless U.S.A kosova, England, Germany

we gonna kill all uz mother fuckers??????

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From: "Ferik Ferizaj" feriku2000@hotmail.com
To: vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com
Subject: Macedonia is Ours
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:52:32 -0600

Albanians will take over Macedonia within 10 years (remember this)!!!.
And Albanians are not terrorists but you and all Serbians are. The world knows who terrorists are.
There is no Macedonian Nation-those who call themselves Macedonian are either Serbian or Bulgarian-everybody knows it.
I'm not from Macedonia but I Will fight for our land (Macedonia is our Land) and we will take over Macedonia.
In fact Albanian Army in Macedonia is fighting already (as you may well know).
So remember Mr. whoever you are Macedonian is Albanian Land.

Write me at feriku2000@hotmail.com
or visit me at
ferik.intranet
I'll tell you more!
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http://www.vmro-mnm.com/Massacre_of_young_Macedonians_by_Albanian_terrorists.htm

http://www.vmro-mnm.com/E-mail_from_the_albanians_terrorists.htm

From: Rahim Hiseni kosovar_brad@hotmail.com
To: vmro-mnm@bredband.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 5:17 PM
Subject:

FUCK YOU ALL MACEDONIEN WHE WILL KILL YOU ALL...........


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From: "ISPHuset / Mette Martinsen" info@isphuset.se
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:17:56 0200

>Hej igen Ljupco
>
>Jag vet att jag har att göra med en förening och att du är bra att tala för dig, men jag har tyvärr inte tid att kommentera ditt mail ytterligare eller hålla på att mäkla. Jag ser på din hemsida följande rubrik:
>
>E-MAIL FROM ALBANIAN NAZIS, FASCISTS AND TERRORISTS!
>
>Vi har faktisk regler om att vi inte accepterar någon form av rasism på våra sidor, och även om det är så att du tycker du bara visar fram vad andra skriver, så får du modifiera det du själv skriver i alla fall.
>Personen som har kontaktat mig önskar vara anonym och inte kontakta dig direkt. Vi har som sagt inte tid att hålla på med detta, så du får alltså nu en chans att göra din hemsida så att den kan ligga på vår server och följa våra regler. (Se punkt 11)
>
>Med vänlig hälsning
>Mette Martinsen
>
>
>Mette Martinsen / ISPHuset Nordic AB
>
> Tlf: 46 (0)46 854 29, Fax: 46 (0)46 854 21
>Email: mette@isphuset.se Webb: http://isphuset.se/
>
>
>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>Från: vmro-mnm mailto:vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com
>Skickat: den 28 mars 2003 17:11
>Till: ISPHuset / Mette Martinsen; ljupco@vmro-mnm.com
>Kopia: vmro-mnm
>Ämne: Re: Hemsidan och mailen igen!
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>Hej Mette!
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>Jag har tidigare bett dig att du skall e-maila personen/personerna ifråga och be denne/dem att kontakta mig så att jag kan ta bort dens/deras e-mail adress/er. Detta har inte skett. Jag kan omöjligt veta vilken/vilka denna/dessa personen/personerna är då vi har tusentals e-mails på organisationens hemsida. De flesta av dem är dock stolta över att få vara delaktiga i hemsidan. Däremot kan jag tänka mig att de som har skrivit hotelser och vulgariteter till organisationen inte uppskattar att finnas här.
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>Du skriver att det inte är första gången jag är i blåsväder. Då frågar jag vilket blåsväder det skulle vara? Jag har aldrig varit i något blåsväder. Däremot har vissa personer (eller person) kontaktat dig för att denne/de vill att organisationen skall plocka bort dens/deras e-mail adresser. Naturligtvis plockar vi bort e-mail adresserna för de som inte vill stå för sina åsikter.
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>Antingen får vi göra så att du ber dem att kontakta organisationen eller så får du själv kopiera deras klagomål och maila oss detta inklusive e-mail adresserna och vilken länk det gäller (detta är ytterst viktigt, annars kan jag omöjligen hitta brevet/breven). Det bästa är dock att du själv skickar oss detta då det inte fungerade förra gången jag sade till. Och jag vill inte hamna i "något blåsväder", som du uttrycker det, för att de inte mailar mig.
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>När det gäller e-mails, du har skrivit att "se till att sluta maila fok som inte önskar få dina e-mails", så skickar vi dessa till: folk som har kontaktat organisationen, Politiska forum och gästböcker och politiska, historiska hemsidor på nätet.
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>Vad jag vet så är politiska forum till för diskussion. Sålunda så läser jag ett inlägg som någon annan skrivit och sedan svarar på detta. Vad jag förstår med ditt e-mail så är det således så att organisationen inte är "välkommen" hos vissa diskussionsforum. I så fall behöver vi veta vilka de är så att vi inte "stör" dem igen. Jag vill dock säga att har man ett diskussionsforum på nätet så får man också vara beredd på att det blir diskussioner. Annars vad är det för mening med att ha det?

>Organisationen skickar alltså inte till några "vanliga" företag eller "stör" någon som inte är politisk engagerad.
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>Om något av detta skulle upprepas, vilket vi inte får hoppas men som en politisk organisation aldrig kan vara säker på, så vill jag att ni kontaktar organisationen och skickar e-mail adresserna direkt, utan kommentarer, så att vi kan plocka bort dem direkt. Detta underlättar både för er och för organisationen och jag slipper sådana här e-mails som jag absolut inte uppskattar.
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>M.v.h Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
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>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: "ISPHuset / Mette Martinsen" info@isphuset.se
>Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:18:05 0100
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>>Hej Ljupco
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>>Vi har åter mottagit en anmälan pga din hemsida och dina mailutskick.
>>Du lägger ut emails på hemsidan och igen är det personer som inte önskar detta. Du får också se till att sluta maila folk som inte önskar få dina emails. Om inte vi kan få orden på detta har vi inget annat val än att stänga ner din hemsida. Då mycket av texten är på macedonsk (?) kan vi av goda grunnar inte få med oss allt, men detta är inte första gången du är i blåsväder. Kan du inom en vecka dokumetera att du har ändrat på hemsidan, får du ligga kvar, annars får vi stänga ner.
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>>Mvh. Mette Martinsen
>>ISPHuset Nordic AB
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Predhodnite E-mail adresi na Organizacijata VMRO-MNM: VMRO-MNM info@vmro-mnm.com, Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet trepet@vmro-mnm.com, VMRO-MNM vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com, VMRO-MNM macedonia_for_the_macedonians@vmro-mnm.com (Tie E-mail adresi ne postojat povise).

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Letter to the European Court of Human Rights Council of Europe Strasbourg-Cedex France -- MACEDONIAN REVOLUTIONARY, 07:22:45 04/18/03 Fri

Letter to the European Court of Human Rights Council of Europe Strasbourg-Cedex!

Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxxx
Pers nr. XXXXXX-XXXX
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SVERIGE

Tel: + 46 XXXXXXX
Mobitel: + 46 XXXXXXX

2003-04-02

Till Europadomstolen i Strasbourg

Jag skriver till er angående mina problem i detta nazistiska, fascistiska och kriminella, svenska samhälle. I detta land har jag utsatts för bedrägliga och kränkande handlingar av svenska kriminella myndigheter som stulit hundratusentals kronor av mig.

1987 öppnade jag ett företag. Jag lånade då 45 000 skr på SE-banken. Jag tog också lån på Nordbanken (+checkräkningskredit). Därutöver köpte jag kontorsmöbler på IKEA och kontorsmaterial på Gleerups, allt på faktura, mm.

Tyvärr gick inte företaget bra och för att kunna överleva var jag tvungen att avregistrera mitt företag. Hade jag bara hållit ut en månad till, då jag blev erbjuden ett arbete av ett stort byggnadsföretag i Sverige, hade min lycka varit gjord.

1988 började jag arbeta på ett slakteri. Jag började då också betala av på min skuld med 1 250 kr som automatiskt drogs från min lön varannan vecka.

Lite mer än ett år senare var min skuld på 45 000 skr till SE-banken betald - endast räntan återstod. Jag fortsatte då att betala 1 000 skr/mån till detta. Tyvärr skadades jag allvarligt på mitt arbete vilket betydde att jag blev långtidssjukskriven. Jag fortsatte ändå att betala av på räntan till SE-banken. Problemet var att även kronofogdemyndigheten gjorde avdrag på min sjukinkomst med mellan 1 000 - 1 500 skr/mån. Till slut med min dåliga (och fortsatt dåliga) inkomst kändes detta ohållbart och jag slutade betala till SE-banken. Kronofogdemyndigheten tog då över alla skulder.

Kronofogdemyndigheten har alltså dragit pengar från mig under hela tiden. Både under min sjukskrivning och sedan när jag blev förtidspensionär. Summan har varit ca 2 500 skr/mån (någon gång 2 800 skr). De har också lagt beslag på min överskjutande skatt. Denna summa har varierat beroende på hur mycket skatt jag betalat in men den har legat på mellan 6 000 kr - 9 000 kr. Allt som allt har kronofogdemyndigheten dragit ca 30 000 - 40 000 skr av mig varje år.

Som nämnts tidigare så började jag betala av på min skuld till SE-banken 1988 och lite mer än ett år senare var skulden betald. Det skrämmande är att år 2000 betalade jag 18 805,34 skr i ränta till SE-banken. Detta är alltså ca 10 år senare! Både skulden och räntan har alltså betalats tillbaka med åtminstone ett fyrdubbelt belopp. Men det som är mer skrämmande är att år 2002 fick jag papper om att jag fortfarande inte var kvitt skulden till SE-banken utan var skyldig dem 54 739 skr! När jag kontaktade SE-banken angående detta sade de att jag inte var skyldig dem något, att skulden var betald. Men enligt ett papper från kronofogdemyndigheten daterat 2003-03-12 är nu skulden till SE-banken 57 556 skr. Detta är en höjning på skulden på 2 817 skr på ett år. Då kan man börja undra var de ca 2 500 skr tar vägen som de drar av mig varje månad. De har i alla fall inte använt dem till att betala skulder.

Min dåliga hälsa och mitt handikapp har inneburit otaliga läkarbesök och dyra mediciner. Detta och min redan dåliga ekonomi på grund av mycket låg inkomst tillsammans med kronofogdens avdrag gjorde att jag 1996 fick problem med att betala min hyra. Min hyresskuld var då 8 848 kr inklusive ränta. I 1997, då kronofogdemyndigheten tog över skulden, var den på 10 679 skr exklusive ränta! Inklusive ränta skulle jag då betala 12 896 skr. Vad jag inte kan förstå är hur kapitalskulden kan förändras. Att det tillkommer ränta är inget egendomligt (den skall dock vara rimlig) men att själva kapitalskulden växer osar lurendrejeri! En annan sak angående den skulden är att den i dag, 2003, är på 5 300 skr + ränta 729,28 skr = 6 029,28 skr.

Detta betyder att av de ca 2 500 skr kronofogdemyndigheten drar av mig varje månad så har, på 5,5 år, 6 866,72 skr gått till denna skuld (skulden skulle egentligen idag vara på 8 848 - 6 866,72 = 1 981,28 skr och inte 6 029,28).

Det blir alltså 104 kr i månaden! Då kan man naturligtvis fråga sig var de andra pengarna tagit vägen för som vi kan se så har de inte gått till mina skulder. Alla de skulder jag har finns på kronofogdemyndigheten. Deras skyldighet, med alla de pengar de drar av mig, är att se till att alla skulder betalas (och att det sker med en gnutta förstånd, hyresskulden skulle ha kunnat vara betald för flera år sedan). Men som det ser ut verkar de har stoppat dessa pengar i sina egna fickor. Min orsak till att komma med

detta påstående kommer jag att ta upp senare i detta brev.

Jag har under alla dessa år betalat mellan 400 000 - 500 000 skr. Kvar är skulder på ca 250 000 skr. En sådan hög summa hade jag inte 1989.

En annan räkning som jag har och som också finns hos kronofogdemyndigheten är från telefonbolaget Telia. Detta är en katastrofräkning på 30456.00 skr (Datum, 2003-02-26).

I Sverige är det känt att folk har fått mycket höga telefonräkningar trots att de inte har använt telefonen. Den summan på 30456.00 skr jag har fått kan jag inte acceptera. Tyvärr kan ingen vinna över Telia - maffian - då de stöds av svenska myndigheter.

Som jag har nämnt tidigare angående kronofogdemaffian så verkar det som om de har stoppat mina pengar i sina egna fickor. Orsaken till mitt påstående kommer jag att förklara här. Under många år har jag betalat oerhörda summor till kronofogdemyndigheten och fortfarande är inte mina skulder betalda. När jag gjorde ett snabbt överslag av mina skulder fann jag att jag hade betalat in alldeles för mycket. Jag skrev då ett brev till kronofogdemyndigheten (se bilaga 1) där jag bad om kopior på vilka företag jag haft/har en skuld till, samt hur stor summan är/har varit. Räntan skulle specificeras. Detta brev lämnade jag personligen till kronofogdemyndigheten, till en kvinna vi namn Yvonne Karlsson, 2002-09-04. Några dagar senare fick jag ett annat brev från en kvinna vid namn Åsa Gunnarsson daterat 2002-09-04. Jag trodde då att det kanske var ett svar på min förfrågan men så var inte fallet. Jag skickade då även min förfrågan till henne. Jag har fortfarande inte fått något svar på mitt brev. Däremot har jag fått dessa papper från dem 2002-12-10 (bilaga 2) och 2003-01-14 (bilaga 3). Jag vill bara ta upp här vad kronofogdemyndigheten skriver i sitt brev från 2003-01-14, mer än 4 månader efter mitt brev som de inte orkat svara på:

Ni har tidigare underrättats om nedan förtecknade skulder. Eftersom ni inte har betalt, avser kronofogdemyndigheten att pröva om utmätning av er lön, pension m.m. kan ske. Utmätning av lön innebär att avdrag görs på er lön, pension m.m. hos arbetsgivaren eller försäkringskassan så att skulden blir betald.

För att kronofogdemyndigheten skall kunna bedöma hur stort avdrag som kan göras, är det viktigt - för er egen skull - att ni fyller i och skickar bifogade blankett till kronofogdemyndigheten senast den 30 januari 2003 (använd svarskuvertet) Det går också bra att lämna uppgifterna per telefon.

Vill ni undvika att lön, pension m.m. tas i anspråk måste ni betala hela skulden omgående.

För ytterligare upplysningar kan ni vända er till kronofogdemyndigheten.

Handläggs av Yvonne Karlsson

Tala om fräckhet! Här har jag kontaktat dem upprepade gånger men de har inte ens orkat svara på mina förfrågningar. Sedan har de mage att skicka ett sådant papper som detta. Varje månad drar kronofogdemyndigheten 2 500 skr av min pension. Hur länge tänker de fortsätta med sin utsugning? Enligt ett utdrag ur kronofogdemyndighetens databas daterat 2002-12-10 (bilaga 2) har 7 660 skr av mina pengar gått till att betala skulder. Då frågar jag, var har de andra pengarna tagit vägen?? De skulder som kronofogdemyndigheten nämner i sitt papper (bilaga 3) är skulder som redan finns hos dem och som de skall fördela mina 2 500 skr till, varje månad. Här är det inget tal om att inte betala när de drar pengar av mig just för att de skall göra just detta. Märk

också att denna kvinna är densamma som jag gav brevet till i september månad, och som jag fortfarande inte fått svar på.

Detta är det svar jag gav kronofogdemyndigheten:

Ni har under åtskilliga år gjort avdrag på min lön och sedemera min pension.

Nu visar det sig att ni kräver pengar för en skuld till SE-banken som redan är betald. Jag har även varit i kontakt med SE-banken som bekräftar att jag inte längre har någon skuld till dem. Som jag nämnt har ni under en mycket lång tid gjort avdrag på min inkomst. Ändå, skall jag enligt er, ha ett flertal skulder kvar att betala. Som ett exempel vill jag nämna en mycket gammal skuld till Landskronahem som fortfarande inte är betald. Allt detta får mig naturligtvis att undra var denna, under årens lopp, stora summa som ni har dragit har tagit vägen.

Jag har tidigare bett er att skicka papper på alla mina skulder och alla de utbetalningar som gjorts under alla dessa år. Men fast jag upprepande gånger har bett er att skicka dessa papper har ni underlåtit att göra detta.

Ert ointresse och okänslighet för mitt fall ger mig ingen annan möjlighet an att föra vidare min klagan till Europadomstolen.

Jag ser ingen anledning att svara på era frågor när ni själva nonchalerar mina upprepande förfrågningar.

Jag har, inte överraskande, inte fått något svar på detta brev. Jag har rätt att få svar - jag har rätt att få redovisning - men inget har jag har fått.

De håller tyst men vill stjäla pengar från mig livet ut och det kan jag inte acceptera.

Under samma tid, 2002-09-09, besökte jag även skattemyndigheten där jag också lämnade ett brev. Inte heller från dem fick jag något svar. 2003-01-28 var jag igen hos skattemyndigheten för att ge dem brevet ännu en gång och fråga varför jag inte fått svar. Kvinnan jag pratade med sade att jag skulle ta upp detta med kronofogdemyndigheten istället eftersom de inte hade med detta att göra. Jag sade då till henne att eftersom det är de som betalar ut mina skattepengar till kronofogden så har jag rätt att få svar på mitt brev och en redovisning över de utbetalningar de gjort. Hon sade då att hon kunde ge mig uppgifter för de senaste 10 åren, men inte längre bak i tiden. De papper jag fick av henne är dessa. Dagen efter kom denna datorutskrift.

Jag lämnade också ett brev till försäkringskassan, 2002-09-06, eftersom här finns det starkaste beviset på hur mycket som har betalats ut till kronofogdemyndigheten men fast jag hade rätt att få svar fick jag inget.

Efter flera månaders väntan gick jag den 2003-01-28 igen till försäkringskassan för att lämna samma brev. Jag talade då också med högste chefen Olle Guldstrand. Jag visade honom breven till försäkringskassan, kronofogdemyndigheten och skattemyndigheten och frågade honom varför jag inte fått svar på mina frågor. Jag sade också att jag tänkte stämma kronofogdemyndigheten till Europadomstolen och också skattemyndigheten och försäkringskassan för deras samarbete med kronofogdemyndigheten i denna stöld. Jag sade till honom att det inte kan vara rätt att först betala 400 000 skr - 500 000 skr under dessa år på en sammanlagd skuld av ca 90 000 skr och ändå ha en skuld kvar som är högre nu än då. Jag sade också till honom att det var försäkringskassans ansvar att kontrollera hur mycket pengar som betalas ut och till vad. Olle Guldstrand sade då att kronofogdemyndigheten skickar papper och dokument och bestämmer hur mycket som skall dras, sedan gör försäkringskassan som de vill. När de gällde svaren på mina frågor sade han att det skulle jag ha fått och att jag hade rätt att kräva det. Han sade att jag skulle få uppgifter från dem snarast möjligt men att jag inte kunde få längre än 10 år tillbaka i tiden eftersom uppgifterna sedan försvinner (vilket är något som låter märkligt och som jag inte kan förstå). Inte överraskande bröt Olle Guldstrand sitt löfte och jag har således inte hört något ifrån honom eller fått några papper från försäkringskassan.

Under denna tid, när jag hade skrivit till kronofogdemyndigheten, skattemyndigheten och försäkringskassan och inte fått svar, blev jag naturligtvis orolig och försökte få juridisk hjälp.

Jag kontaktade och besökte flera advokater. Vissa var inte alls intresserade, andra krävde 10, 12, 15 000 kr i förskott vilket jag, med min låga inkomst, naturligtvis aldrig skulle kunna betala. Till slut hittade jag en advokat som var villig att hjälpa mig. När jag träffade advokat Johan Sjöström på advokatfirman Andersson & Sjöström, Parkgatan 2, 261 31 Landskrona, visade jag honom de tre brev jag skrivit till dessa tre maffiakompanjoner och berättade i korta drag hur stora skulder jag haft från början, hur många år de dragit pengar från mig och hur höga skulder jag hade nu. Johan Sjöström var mycket positiv till fallet, tyckte själv att det jag hade betalat var för mycket, och skulle hjälpa mig. Jag var dock först tvungen att betala ett förskott på 1 500 skr till honom. Vi bestämde att vi skulle träffas 2002-10-16 då jag också skulle betala förskottet. När vi träffades igen överlämnade jag några viktiga dokument till honom plus det begärda förskottet. Han var fortfarande positiv till mitt fall och upprepade att jag hade betalat för mycket. Han skulle således börja arbeta med mitt fall omedelbart och kontakta kronofogdemyndigheten, skattemyndigheten och försäkringskassan. Han skulle sedan återkomma till mig snarast möjligt.

Efter 2-3 veckor hade jag fortfarande inte hört något från Johan Sjöström och var därför tvungen att själv kontakta honom. När jag talade med honom per telefon var han inte lika positiv till fallet. Han sade att han hade kontaktat dem men fortfarande inte hört något från dem. Han nämnde emellertid något om ränta på ränta. Jag sade då till honom att eftersom varken han eller jag hade fått något svar från de berörda myndigheterna så ville jag att vi skulle stämma dem i tingsrätten. Han sade att i ett sådant här fall kunde man inte göra det. Det fanns ingen lag för ett sådant fall.

Jag undrade då hur det kan vara så att det inte finns en lag som gör det möjligt för mig att stämma dem när de finns lagar som gör att de kan stämma mig. Han sade att det var en annan lag. Han sade också att vi skulle vänta och att han skulle kontakta dem igen. Jag väntade på ett svar från Johan Sjöström ända tills december månad, då jag kontaktade honom igen. Han sade till mig att han hade fått brev från kronofogdemyndigheten och att han skulle skicka detta till mig. Jag väntade på detta nya brev från kronofogdemyndigheten men inget kom. I början av januari månad ringde jag således till Johan Sjöström. Jag fick svaret att han hade skickat brevet till mig. Men det enda han hade skickat mig var de kopior jag tidigare gett honom. Jag sade igen till Johan Sjöström att jag ville stämma kronofogdemyndigheten, försäkringskassan och skattemyndigheten men han var lika kritisk till det som förra gången. Jag bad då honom, då han var min advokat, att ge förslag på vad jag skulle göra. Han sade då att han inte kunde göra mer för de pengar jag betalat honom (fast han hade inte gjort något för dem vilket jag också sade till honom) och att jag inte heller hade så mycket pengar att betala honom och att jag skulle veta att det inte fanns någon advokater i Sverige som kunde hjälpa mig med mitt fall. Jag sade då till Johan Sjöström att min enda möjlighet då är att personligen stämma dessa tre till Europadomstolen vilket låter sig göras om detta är en demokratisk, solidarisk och rättvis domstol. Min personliga uppfattning är att denna advokat har blivit köpt av dessa maffiamyndigheter.

Jag vänder mig således till Europadomstolen för att få hjälp att straffa dessa svenska myndigheters kriminella handlingar och därtill även att de betalar tillbaka de pengar de stulit av mig samt ränta och skadestånd. Det är inte meningen att de skall stjäla hundratusentals kronor av mig och sedan förvänta sig att jag skall fortsätta betala till den dag jag dör. Jag och min familj har under många år fått lida både psykiskt och ekonomiskt på grund av deras övergrepp. Jag kräver således ett skadestånd på 1 (en) miljon kronor plus ränta. Och eftersom västvärlden kallas för ett demokratiskt, rättvist och solidariskt samhälle vill jag att ni skall visa er demokrati.

Detta utsugande av fattiga och sjuka måste stoppas och de ansvariga kriminella måste straffas. Som domstol räknar jag med att ni kan få fram alla bevis och fakta från dessa kriminella. Jag önskar att detta fall tas upp snarast möjligt, att de skyldiga straffas och mitt skadestånd betalas ut.

Tyvärr är det många gånger så att västmedia predikar rättvisa och solidaritet men bakom stängda dörrar finns kriminaliteten. Här i Sverige ser man varje dag på tv och läser i tidningar att invandrare är kriminella. Nu ser vi dock vem som egentligen är kriminell. Vi invandrare behandlas som tredje klassens medborgare, efter djuren. Detta håller media tyst om istället för att berätta sanningen om den västerländska "rättvisan" och "solidariteten".

Vad jag har upplevt i min kontakt med olika myndigheter är deras liknöjdhet och ointresse. Att något är fel kan vem som helst förstå, en skuld på 45 000 skr 1987, kan inte efter 16 års betalning var uppe i 57 556 skr. Man behöver inte vara speciellt intelligent för att räkna ut detta. Tyvärr är det så att när jag har kontaktat myndigheterna så har de inte ens velat kontrollera detta. Det finns alltså inget sätt för mig att få fram sanningen då de som arbetar där antingen är liknöjda eller inblandade. Men jag vägrar fortsätta att bli avlurad 30 000 - 40 000 skr varje år livet ut och acceptera att mina skulder blir högre och högre Därför vänder jag mig till er som en sista chans att få rättvisa. Jag accepterar inte ett brev där ni skriver att ni inte kan göra någonting, då det är ert ansvar att hjälpa mig.

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VMRO-MNM (MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS)! -- MACEDONIAN REVOLUTIONARY, 12:53:39 04/14/03 Mon

From: "Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet" ljupco_mircevski_trepet@hotmail.com
To: macedonian_revolutionary@hotmail.com
CC: ljupco_mircevski_trepet@hotmail.com
Subject: Web sajtot na VMRO-MNM e zatvoren citajte ja mojta izjava.
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:15:52 +0000

Makedonski komito eve ja mojata izjava i sega mozes da ja preprakjas na Makedonski narod i postavi ja vo Makedonskite forumi.

Vnatresna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija - Makedonija Na Makedoncite (VMRO-MNM)!
Pretsedatel: Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet

Privremen kontakt na E-mail adresata Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
ljupco_mircevski_trepet@hotmail.com

11 April 2003 g.

Pocituvani braka i sestri Makedonki i Makedonci!

Deneska na den 11 April 2003 g. Na Vnatresna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija - Makedonija Na Makedoncite (VMRO-MNM). Web stranicata www.vmro-mnm.com se zatvori. Povodot i faktot za zatvaranjeto na Web stranicata www.vmro-mnm.com bese sto siptarskite, ekstremisti, nacisti, fasisti, pedofili, psihopati, sizofrenicari, teroristi i mafijaski banditi, aktivno se aktiviraa zaedno so Makeodnskite izrodi, predavnicki zverovi-zverski koj sto zaedno ja imat vlasta sobranieto i site drugi Makedonski institucii i asosijacii. Ke povtoram, povodot i faktot bese za ispratenite E-mail poraki od siptarskite zverski, zlocinski dusmani na Makedonskiot narod, so nivni zakani i provokacii. Nie od Organizacijata VMRO-MNM tie nivni agresorski, provokatorski, zakanuvacki i lazna propaganda E-mail poraki gi objavivme vo naj Makedonskiot nacionalen, komitski i patriotski Web sajt. Poslednite dve nedeli imavme konflikt so gazdite na kompanijata Mette Martinsen mette@isphuset.se i Tom Martinsen tom@isphuset.se, ISPHuset Nordic AB info@isphuset.se Webb: http://isphuset.se/.
Taka da gazdite, odnosno direktorite na kopanijata imale domieno E-mail poraki od siptarskite gadovi so zalbi sto nie sme objavuvale nivni E-mail poraki so nivni iminja i preziminja i sto sme gi narekle siptaraskite gnasotii za vistinski nasisti, fasisti i teroristi (E-MAIL FROM ALBANIAN NAZIS, FASCISTS AND TERRORISTS!). Taka da na direktorite ne im se dopadnalo dek nasite golemi agresori, zlocinci i dusmani sme gi narekle ALBANIAN NAZIS, FASCISTS AND TERRORISTS.
Pa neli zapadniot svet e demokratski, solidarni i realni. Sekoj covek ima pravo da si go iskaze svoeto mislenje. Ne samo nie Makedoncite nemame pravo da si go kazeme naseto mislenje. Da si ja kazuvame nasata vistina. Da gi kazime ogromnite zagrozuvanja i stradanja na dobriot, vernio, cesniot, realniot, zagrozeniot, napateniot i porobeniot Makedonski narod.

Pocituvani braka i sestri Makedonki i Makedonci. Jas vo prilog ke vi gi dostavam E-mail porakite od Direktorkata Mette Martinsen na kompanijata i mio odgovori. Analizite na E-mail porakite se napisani na Svedski-FSPOS jazik. Da jas ne vi gi preveduvam analizite na Makedonski jazik, moze nema da mi veruvate, pa zatoa mozete vie samite da se snajdete so preveduvanje na Makedonski jazik.
Citajte me posle E-mail porakite:

FROM: "ISPHuset / Mette Martinsen"
DATE: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:56:25 0200
TO:
SUBJECT: SV: SV: Hemsidan och mailen igen!

Hej igen Ljupco

Mängden av klagar på din hemdia har ökt här, och styrelsen har beslutat att sidan brytar mot våra almänna vilkor. Du har till på fredag att hitta ett nytt webbhotell - härifrån kommer dina konton att stängas ner på nästa fredag. Vi beklagar, men det är inget annat vi kan göra.

Med vänlig hälsning
Mette Martinsen

Mette Martinsen / ISPHuset Nordic AB

Tlf: 46 (0)46 854 29, Fax: 46 (0)46 854 21
Email: mette@isphuset.se Webb: http://isphuset.se/

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: vmro-mnm
Skickat: den 31 mars 2003 21:53
Till: ISPHuset / Mette Martinsen
Kopia: Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
Ämne: Re: SV: Hemsidan och mailen igen!


FROM: Alban halili
DATE: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 01:01:46 1000 (EST)
TO: "VMRO-MNM"
SUBJECT: Mamu ti cigansku

HAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Macedonia is a heart of Albania!!!!!!!!!
and Shkupi will be the Capital of Greater Albania??
We "Kosovar black eagles" r able to take macedonia
within 2 hours???????
Kosovar black eagles" A special army unit mainly consisted of kOSOVARS aMERICANS and English paramilitary special troops???

Alla bless U.S.A kosova, England, Germany

we gonna kill all uz mother fuckers??????

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online.

From: "Ferik Ferizaj" feriku2000@hotmail.com
To: vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com
Subject: Macedonia is Ours
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:52:32 -0600

Albanians will take over Macedonia within 10 years (remember this)!!!.
And Albanians are not terrorists but you and all Serbians are. The world knows who terrorists are.
There is no Macedonian Nation-those who call themselves Macedonian are either Serbian or Bulgarian-everybody knows it.
I'm not from Macedonia but I Will fight for our land (Macedonia is our Land) and we will take over Macedonia.
In fact Albanian Army in Macedonia is fighting already (as you may well know).
So remember Mr. whoever you are Macedonian is Albanian Land.

Write me at feriku2000@hotmail.com
or visit me at
ferik.intranet
I'll tell you more!
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http://www.vmro-mnm.com/Massacre_of_young_Macedonians_by_Albanian_terrorists.htm

http://www.vmro-mnm.com/E-mail_from_the_albanians_terrorists.htm

From: Rahim Hiseni kosovar_brad@hotmail.com
To: vmro-mnm@bredband.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 5:17 PM
Subject:

FUCK YOU ALL MACEDONIEN WHE WILL KILL YOU ALL...........


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "ISPHuset / Mette Martinsen"
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:17:56 0200

>Hej igen Ljupco
>
>Jag vet att jag har att göra med en förening och att du är bra att tala för dig, men jag har tyvärr inte tid att kommentera ditt mail ytterligare eller hålla på att mäkla. Jag ser på din hemsida följande rubrik:
>
>E-MAIL FROM ALBANIAN NAZIS, FASCISTS AND TERRORISTS!
>
>Vi har faktisk regler om att vi inte accepterar någon form av rasism på våra sidor, och även om det är så att du tycker du bara visar fram vad andra skriver, så får du modifiera det du själv skriver i alla fall.
>Personen som har kontaktat mig önskar vara anonym och inte kontakta dig direkt. Vi har som sagt inte tid att hålla på med detta, så du får alltså nu en chans att göra din hemsida så att den kan ligga på vår server och följa våra regler. (Se punkt 11)
>
>Med vänlig hälsning
>Mette Martinsen
>
>
>Mette Martinsen / ISPHuset Nordic AB
>
> Tlf: 46 (0)46 854 29, Fax: 46 (0)46 854 21
>Email: mette@isphuset.se Webb: http://isphuset.se/
>
>
>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>Från: vmro-mnm
>Skickat: den 28 mars 2003 17:11
>Till: ISPHuset / Mette Martinsen; ljupco@vmro-mnm.com
>Kopia: vmro-mnm
>Ämne: Re: Hemsidan och mailen igen!
>
>
>Hej Mette!
>
>Jag har tidigare bett dig att du skall e-maila personen/personerna ifråga och be denne/dem att kontakta mig så att jag kan ta bort dens/deras e-mail adress/er. Detta har inte skett. Jag kan omöjligt veta vilken/vilka denna/dessa personen/personerna är då vi har tusentals e-mails på organisationens hemsida. De flesta av dem är dock stolta över att få vara delaktiga i hemsidan. Däremot kan jag tänka mig att de som har skrivit hotelser och vulgariteter till organisationen inte uppskattar att finnas här.
>
>Du skriver att det inte är första gången jag är i blåsväder. Då frågar jag vilket blåsväder det skulle vara? Jag har aldrig varit i något blåsväder. Däremot har vissa personer (eller person) kontaktat dig för att denne/de vill att organisationen skall plocka bort dens/deras e-mail adresser. Naturligtvis plockar vi bort e-mail adresserna för de som inte vill stå för sina åsikter.
>
>Antingen får vi göra så att du ber dem att kontakta organisationen eller så får du själv kopiera deras klagomål och maila oss detta inklusive e-mail adresserna och vilken länk det gäller (detta är ytterst viktigt, annars kan jag omöjligen hitta brevet/breven). Det bästa är dock att du själv skickar oss detta då det inte fungerade förra gången jag sade till. Och jag vill inte hamna i "något blåsväder", som du uttrycker det, för att de inte mailar mig.
>
>När det gäller e-mails, du har skrivit att "se till att sluta maila fok som inte önskar få dina e-mails", så skickar vi dessa till: folk som har kontaktat organisationen, Politiska forum och gästböcker och politiska, historiska hemsidor på nätet.
>
>Vad jag vet så är politiska forum till för diskussion. Sålunda så läser jag ett inlägg som någon annan skrivit och sedan svarar på detta. Vad jag förstår med ditt e-mail så är det således så att organisationen inte är "välkommen" hos vissa diskussionsforum. I så fall behöver vi veta vilka de är så att vi inte "stör" dem igen. Jag vill dock säga att har man ett diskussionsforum på nätet så får man också vara beredd på att det blir diskussioner. Annars vad är det för mening med att ha det?

>Organisationen skickar alltså inte till några "vanliga" företag eller "stör" någon som inte är politisk engagerad.
>
>Om något av detta skulle upprepas, vilket vi inte får hoppas men som en politisk organisation aldrig kan vara säker på, så vill jag att ni kontaktar organisationen och skickar e-mail adresserna direkt, utan kommentarer, så att vi kan plocka bort dem direkt. Detta underlättar både för er och för organisationen och jag slipper sådana här e-mails som jag absolut inte uppskattar.
>
>M.v.h Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
>
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: "ISPHuset / Mette Martinsen"
>Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:18:05 0100
>
>>Hej Ljupco
>>
>>Vi har åter mottagit en anmälan pga din hemsida och dina mailutskick.
>>Du lägger ut emails på hemsidan och igen är det personer som inte önskar detta. Du får också se till att sluta maila folk som inte önskar få dina emails. Om inte vi kan få orden på detta har vi inget annat val än att stänga ner din hemsida. Då mycket av texten är på macedonsk (?) kan vi av goda grunnar inte få med oss allt, men detta är inte första gången du är i blåsväder. Kan du inom en vecka dokumetera att du har ändrat på hemsidan, får du ligga kvar, annars får vi stänga ner.
>>
>>Mvh. Mette Martinsen
>>ISPHuset Nordic AB
>>
>>
>

Pocituvani braka i sestri Makedonki i Makedonci!
Jas imav sumna deka toa se raboti za ignoriranje na Makeodnskata Organizacija VMRO-MNM (Makedonija Na Makedoncite), od svetskata javnost. Se razbira za da ne se doznava vistinata za Makedonskata drzava i za Makeodnskiot narod. I moejata sumlivost ispadna i vo vistinsko. Pred nekoj den na mojot mobil telefon mi se javi eden GNASEN siptarski-balista i mi rece deka sme prokleti sloveni i deka gi kostalo "albancite" i nivnite slavo Makedonski prijateli od vladata sto morale da platat nekolku miljoni dolari na direktorite od kompanijata Mette Martinsen mette@isphuset.se i Tom Martinsen tom@isphuset.se za da se zatvori Web stranicata na Organizacijata VMRO-MNM.

Pocituvani moi Makedonci. Golemite uspesi i napreduvanja na siptarskite ekstremisti, nacisti, fasisti, teroristi, pedofili, psihopati, sizofrenicari i mafijaski banditi i na Makedonskite izrodi, predavnicki zverovi-zverski. Uspesite i napreduvanjata im uspevat sekoj dnevno zatoa sto nie Makedoncite ne sme obedineti i edinstveni. Nie Makedoncite sme podeleni i se mrazime eden sprema drug, a nasite golemi neprijateli i zlocinski dusmani ni se smeat i si se podigavat so nasata tolerancija kon nasite golemi neprijateli, zverski i zlocinski dusmani i golemi tolerancii kon Makedonskite zlocinski dusmani, izrodi i predavnicki zverovi-zverski.
Bogatata siptarska-balisticka mafijaska banda i Makedonskite kapetalisticki izrodi, predavnicki zverovi-zverski se sposobni da platat bilo koj samo da ni naskodi na nas dobrite, vernite, realnite, napatenite, zagrozenite i porobenite Makedonci. A naj golemata aktivnost i borba na gnasnite siptarski-balistii, ekstremisti, nacsiti, fasisti, teroristi, pedofili, psihopati, sizofrenicari i mafijaski banditi i na Makedonskite psihopati, sizofrenicari, pedofili, mafijaski banditi, Makeodnskite izrodi, predavnicki zverovi-zverski im e da ja unistat VNATRESNATA MAKEDONSKA REVOLUCIONERNA ORGANIZACIJA-MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE (VMRO-MNM).

Pocituvani dobri, verni, cesni, realni, zagrozeni, napateni i porobeni braka i sestri Makedonki i Makedonci. Apeliram do site vas, da ni pomognete i podrzite so nasata Makedonska nacionalna, komitska i patriotska Organizacija VMRO-MNM i da ni pomognete i podrzite so naj Makeoskata nacionalna, komitska i patriotska Web stranica, za da pronajdeme nekoja sigurna i dobra internet kompanija za da ja otvorime povtorno Web stranicata www.vmro-mnm.com .
Dokolku sakata da ni pomognete pisete ni na ovie dve E-mail adresi: Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet ljupco_mircevski_trepet@hotmail.com i Macedonian Revolutionary macedonian_revolutionary@hotmail.com
Predhodnite E-mail adresi na Organizacijata VMRO-MNM: VMRO-MNM info@vmro-mnm.com, Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet trepet@vmro-mnm.com, VMRO-MNM vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com, VMRO-MNM macedonia_for_the_macedonians@vmro-mnm.com (Tie E-mail adresi ne postojat povise).

Unapred vi se zablagodaruvam za vasata realna sorabotka, pomos i podrska!

So Makedonski bratski, komitski i patriotski pozdravi do site dobri, verni, cesni, realni i gordi brakja i sestri Makedonki i Makedonci, od site nas komitite i patriotite od Organizacijata VMRO-MNM (Makedonija Na Makedoncite).

VECNO DA ZIVEE MAKEDONSKATA ZEMJA!

VECNO DA ZIVEE MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD!

GOSPOD DA JA BLAGOSLOVI NASATA ZEMJA MAKEDONIJA I GOSPOD DA GO BLAGOSLOVI NASIOT MAKEDONSKI NAROD!

SMTR ZA SIPTARISKITE-BALISTI, TERORISTI I FASISTI!

SMRT ZA SITE ZAPADNI OKUPATORSKI CIZMARI, NACISTI, FASISTI, VARVARI, TERORISTI, BIOKRATI I FANATICI VO NASATA MILA I SAKANA TATKOVINA MAKEDONIJA!

SMTR ZA IZRODITE MAKEDONSKI PREDAVNICKI ZVEROVI-ZVERSKI !

SLOBODA ILI SMRT ZA MAKEDONSKATA DRZAVA I ZA MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD !

EDEN ZA SITE I SITE ZA EDEN!

TOA E PORAKATA OD MAKEDONSKIOT KOMITA I PATRIOT TREPET I OD SITE HRABRI MAKEDONSKI KOMITI, PATRIOTI I BORCI......

VECNO DA ZIVEE MAKEDONSKATA REVOLUCIONERNA ORGANIZACIJA VMRO-MNM (MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE)!

JAS SUM MAKEDONEC A NE FYROMEC!

NIE SME MAKEDONCI A NE FYROMCI!

MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE!

Pretsedatel Na Makedonskata
Organizacija VMRO-MNM
Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet


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Letter to the European Court of Human Rights Council of Europe Strasbourg-Cedex France -- MACEDONIAN REVOLUTIONARY, 12:50:40 04/14/03 Mon

Letter to the European Court of Human Rights Council of Europe Strasbourg-Cedex!

Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxxx
Pers nr. XXXXXX-XXXX
Xxxxxxxx xxx x
xxxx xx LANDSKRONA
SVERIGE

Tel: + 46 XXXXXXX
Mobitel: + 46 XXXXXXX

2003-04-02

Till Europadomstolen i Strasbourg

Jag skriver till er angående mina problem i detta nazistiska, fascistiska och kriminella, svenska samhälle. I detta land har jag utsatts för bedrägliga och kränkande handlingar av svenska kriminella myndigheter som stulit hundratusentals kronor av mig.

1987 öppnade jag ett företag. Jag lånade då 45 000 skr på SE-banken. Jag tog också lån på Nordbanken (+checkräkningskredit). Därutöver köpte jag kontorsmöbler på IKEA och kontorsmaterial på Gleerups, allt på faktura, mm.

Tyvärr gick inte företaget bra och för att kunna överleva var jag tvungen att avregistrera mitt företag. Hade jag bara hållit ut en månad till, då jag blev erbjuden ett arbete av ett stort byggnadsföretag i Sverige, hade min lycka varit gjord.

1988 började jag arbeta på ett slakteri. Jag började då också betala av på min skuld med 1 250 kr som automatiskt drogs från min lön varannan vecka.

Lite mer än ett år senare var min skuld på 45 000 skr till SE-banken betald - endast räntan återstod. Jag fortsatte då att betala 1 000 skr/mån till detta. Tyvärr skadades jag allvarligt på mitt arbete vilket betydde att jag blev långtidssjukskriven. Jag fortsatte ändå att betala av på räntan till SE-banken. Problemet var att även kronofogdemyndigheten gjorde avdrag på min sjukinkomst med mellan 1 000 - 1 500 skr/mån. Till slut med min dåliga (och fortsatt dåliga) inkomst kändes detta ohållbart och jag slutade betala till SE-banken. Kronofogdemyndigheten tog då över alla skulder.

Kronofogdemyndigheten har alltså dragit pengar från mig under hela tiden. Både under min sjukskrivning och sedan när jag blev förtidspensionär. Summan har varit ca 2 500 skr/mån (någon gång 2 800 skr). De har också lagt beslag på min överskjutande skatt. Denna summa har varierat beroende på hur mycket skatt jag betalat in men den har legat på mellan 6 000 kr - 9 000 kr. Allt som allt har kronofogdemyndigheten dragit ca 30 000 - 40 000 skr av mig varje år.

Som nämnts tidigare så började jag betala av på min skuld till SE-banken 1988 och lite mer än ett år senare var skulden betald. Det skrämmande är att år 2000 betalade jag 18 805,34 skr i ränta till SE-banken. Detta är alltså ca 10 år senare! Både skulden och räntan har alltså betalats tillbaka med åtminstone ett fyrdubbelt belopp. Men det som är mer skrämmande är att år 2002 fick jag papper om att jag fortfarande inte var kvitt skulden till SE-banken utan var skyldig dem 54 739 skr! När jag kontaktade SE-banken angående detta sade de att jag inte var skyldig dem något, att skulden var betald. Men enligt ett papper från kronofogdemyndigheten daterat 2003-03-12 är nu skulden till SE-banken 57 556 skr. Detta är en höjning på skulden på 2 817 skr på ett år. Då kan man börja undra var de ca 2 500 skr tar vägen som de drar av mig varje månad. De har i alla fall inte använt dem till att betala skulder.

Min dåliga hälsa och mitt handikapp har inneburit otaliga läkarbesök och dyra mediciner. Detta och min redan dåliga ekonomi på grund av mycket låg inkomst tillsammans med kronofogdens avdrag gjorde att jag 1996 fick problem med att betala min hyra. Min hyresskuld var då 8 848 kr inklusive ränta. I 1997, då kronofogdemyndigheten tog över skulden, var den på 10 679 skr exklusive ränta! Inklusive ränta skulle jag då betala 12 896 skr. Vad jag inte kan förstå är hur kapitalskulden kan förändras. Att det tillkommer ränta är inget egendomligt (den skall dock vara rimlig) men att själva kapitalskulden växer osar lurendrejeri! En annan sak angående den skulden är att den i dag, 2003, är på 5 300 skr + ränta 729,28 skr = 6 029,28 skr.

Detta betyder att av de ca 2 500 skr kronofogdemyndigheten drar av mig varje månad så har, på 5,5 år, 6 866,72 skr gått till denna skuld (skulden skulle egentligen idag vara på 8 848 - 6 866,72 = 1 981,28 skr och inte 6 029,28).

Det blir alltså 104 kr i månaden! Då kan man naturligtvis fråga sig var de andra pengarna tagit vägen för som vi kan se så har de inte gått till mina skulder. Alla de skulder jag har finns på kronofogdemyndigheten. Deras skyldighet, med alla de pengar de drar av mig, är att se till att alla skulder betalas (och att det sker med en gnutta förstånd, hyresskulden skulle ha kunnat vara betald för flera år sedan). Men som det ser ut verkar de har stoppat dessa pengar i sina egna fickor. Min orsak till att komma med

detta påstående kommer jag att ta upp senare i detta brev.

Jag har under alla dessa år betalat mellan 400 000 - 500 000 skr. Kvar är skulder på ca 250 000 skr. En sådan hög summa hade jag inte 1989.

En annan räkning som jag har och som också finns hos kronofogdemyndigheten är från telefonbolaget Telia. Detta är en katastrofräkning på 30456.00 skr (Datum, 2003-02-26).

I Sverige är det känt att folk har fått mycket höga telefonräkningar trots att de inte har använt telefonen. Den summan på 30456.00 skr jag har fått kan jag inte acceptera. Tyvärr kan ingen vinna över Telia - maffian - då de stöds av svenska myndigheter.

Som jag har nämnt tidigare angående kronofogdemaffian så verkar det som om de har stoppat mina pengar i sina egna fickor. Orsaken till mitt påstående kommer jag att förklara här. Under många år har jag betalat oerhörda summor till kronofogdemyndigheten och fortfarande är inte mina skulder betalda. När jag gjorde ett snabbt överslag av mina skulder fann jag att jag hade betalat in alldeles för mycket. Jag skrev då ett brev till kronofogdemyndigheten (se bilaga 1) där jag bad om kopior på vilka företag jag haft/har en skuld till, samt hur stor summan är/har varit. Räntan skulle specificeras. Detta brev lämnade jag personligen till kronofogdemyndigheten, till en kvinna vi namn Yvonne Karlsson, 2002-09-04. Några dagar senare fick jag ett annat brev från en kvinna vid namn Åsa Gunnarsson daterat 2002-09-04. Jag trodde då att det kanske var ett svar på min förfrågan men så var inte fallet. Jag skickade då även min förfrågan till henne. Jag har fortfarande inte fått något svar på mitt brev. Däremot har jag fått dessa papper från dem 2002-12-10 (bilaga 2) och 2003-01-14 (bilaga 3). Jag vill bara ta upp här vad kronofogdemyndigheten skriver i sitt brev från 2003-01-14, mer än 4 månader efter mitt brev som de inte orkat svara på:

Ni har tidigare underrättats om nedan förtecknade skulder. Eftersom ni inte har betalt, avser kronofogdemyndigheten att pröva om utmätning av er lön, pension m.m. kan ske. Utmätning av lön innebär att avdrag görs på er lön, pension m.m. hos arbetsgivaren eller försäkringskassan så att skulden blir betald.

För att kronofogdemyndigheten skall kunna bedöma hur stort avdrag som kan göras, är det viktigt - för er egen skull - att ni fyller i och skickar bifogade blankett till kronofogdemyndigheten senast den 30 januari 2003 (använd svarskuvertet) Det går också bra att lämna uppgifterna per telefon.

Vill ni undvika att lön, pension m.m. tas i anspråk måste ni betala hela skulden omgående.

För ytterligare upplysningar kan ni vända er till kronofogdemyndigheten.

Handläggs av Yvonne Karlsson

Tala om fräckhet! Här har jag kontaktat dem upprepade gånger men de har inte ens orkat svara på mina förfrågningar. Sedan har de mage att skicka ett sådant papper som detta. Varje månad drar kronofogdemyndigheten 2 500 skr av min pension. Hur länge tänker de fortsätta med sin utsugning? Enligt ett utdrag ur kronofogdemyndighetens databas daterat 2002-12-10 (bilaga 2) har 7 660 skr av mina pengar gått till att betala skulder. Då frågar jag, var har de andra pengarna tagit vägen?? De skulder som kronofogdemyndigheten nämner i sitt papper (bilaga 3) är skulder som redan finns hos dem och som de skall fördela mina 2 500 skr till, varje månad. Här är det inget tal om att inte betala när de drar pengar av mig just för att de skall göra just detta. Märk

också att denna kvinna är densamma som jag gav brevet till i september månad, och som jag fortfarande inte fått svar på.

Detta är det svar jag gav kronofogdemyndigheten:

Ni har under åtskilliga år gjort avdrag på min lön och sedemera min pension.

Nu visar det sig att ni kräver pengar för en skuld till SE-banken som redan är betald. Jag har även varit i kontakt med SE-banken som bekräftar att jag inte längre har någon skuld till dem. Som jag nämnt har ni under en mycket lång tid gjort avdrag på min inkomst. Ändå, skall jag enligt er, ha ett flertal skulder kvar att betala. Som ett exempel vill jag nämna en mycket gammal skuld till Landskronahem som fortfarande inte är betald. Allt detta får mig naturligtvis att undra var denna, under årens lopp, stora summa som ni har dragit har tagit vägen.

Jag har tidigare bett er att skicka papper på alla mina skulder och alla de utbetalningar som gjorts under alla dessa år. Men fast jag upprepande gånger har bett er att skicka dessa papper har ni underlåtit att göra detta.

Ert ointresse och okänslighet för mitt fall ger mig ingen annan möjlighet an att föra vidare min klagan till Europadomstolen.

Jag ser ingen anledning att svara på era frågor när ni själva nonchalerar mina upprepande förfrågningar.

Jag har, inte överraskande, inte fått något svar på detta brev. Jag har rätt att få svar - jag har rätt att få redovisning - men inget har jag har fått.

De håller tyst men vill stjäla pengar från mig livet ut och det kan jag inte acceptera.

Under samma tid, 2002-09-09, besökte jag även skattemyndigheten där jag också lämnade ett brev. Inte heller från dem fick jag något svar. 2003-01-28 var jag igen hos skattemyndigheten för att ge dem brevet ännu en gång och fråga varför jag inte fått svar. Kvinnan jag pratade med sade att jag skulle ta upp detta med kronofogdemyndigheten istället eftersom de inte hade med detta att göra. Jag sade då till henne att eftersom det är de som betalar ut mina skattepengar till kronofogden så har jag rätt att få svar på mitt brev och en redovisning över de utbetalningar de gjort. Hon sade då att hon kunde ge mig uppgifter för de senaste 10 åren, men inte längre bak i tiden. De papper jag fick av henne är dessa. Dagen efter kom denna datorutskrift.

Jag lämnade också ett brev till försäkringskassan, 2002-09-06, eftersom här finns det starkaste beviset på hur mycket som har betalats ut till kronofogdemyndigheten men fast jag hade rätt att få svar fick jag inget.

Efter flera månaders väntan gick jag den 2003-01-28 igen till försäkringskassan för att lämna samma brev. Jag talade då också med högste chefen Olle Guldstrand. Jag visade honom breven till försäkringskassan, kronofogdemyndigheten och skattemyndigheten och frågade honom varför jag inte fått svar på mina frågor. Jag sade också att jag tänkte stämma kronofogdemyndigheten till Europadomstolen och också skattemyndigheten och försäkringskassan för deras samarbete med kronofogdemyndigheten i denna stöld. Jag sade till honom att det inte kan vara rätt att först betala 400 000 skr - 500 000 skr under dessa år på en sammanlagd skuld av ca 90 000 skr och ändå ha en skuld kvar som är högre nu än då. Jag sade också till honom att det var försäkringskassans ansvar att kontrollera hur mycket pengar som betalas ut och till vad. Olle Guldstrand sade då att kronofogdemyndigheten skickar papper och dokument och bestämmer hur mycket som skall dras, sedan gör försäkringskassan som de vill. När de gällde svaren på mina frågor sade han att det skulle jag ha fått och att jag hade rätt att kräva det. Han sade att jag skulle få uppgifter från dem snarast möjligt men att jag inte kunde få längre än 10 år tillbaka i tiden eftersom uppgifterna sedan försvinner (vilket är något som låter märkligt och som jag inte kan förstå). Inte överraskande bröt Olle Guldstrand sitt löfte och jag har således inte hört något ifrån honom eller fått några papper från försäkringskassan.

Under denna tid, när jag hade skrivit till kronofogdemyndigheten, skattemyndigheten och försäkringskassan och inte fått svar, blev jag naturligtvis orolig och försökte få juridisk hjälp.

Jag kontaktade och besökte flera advokater. Vissa var inte alls intresserade, andra krävde 10, 12, 15 000 kr i förskott vilket jag, med min låga inkomst, naturligtvis aldrig skulle kunna betala. Till slut hittade jag en advokat som var villig att hjälpa mig. När jag träffade advokat Johan Sjöström på advokatfirman Andersson & Sjöström, Parkgatan 2, 261 31 Landskrona, visade jag honom de tre brev jag skrivit till dessa tre maffiakompanjoner och berättade i korta drag hur stora skulder jag haft från början, hur många år de dragit pengar från mig och hur höga skulder jag hade nu. Johan Sjöström var mycket positiv till fallet, tyckte själv att det jag hade betalat var för mycket, och skulle hjälpa mig. Jag var dock först tvungen att betala ett förskott på 1 500 skr till honom. Vi bestämde att vi skulle träffas 2002-10-16 då jag också skulle betala förskottet. När vi träffades igen överlämnade jag några viktiga dokument till honom plus det begärda förskottet. Han var fortfarande positiv till mitt fall och upprepade att jag hade betalat för mycket. Han skulle således börja arbeta med mitt fall omedelbart och kontakta kronofogdemyndigheten, skattemyndigheten och försäkringskassan. Han skulle sedan återkomma till mig snarast möjligt.

Efter 2-3 veckor hade jag fortfarande inte hört något från Johan Sjöström och var därför tvungen att själv kontakta honom. När jag talade med honom per telefon var han inte lika positiv till fallet. Han sade att han hade kontaktat dem men fortfarande inte hört något från dem. Han nämnde emellertid något om ränta på ränta. Jag sade då till honom att eftersom varken han eller jag hade fått något svar från de berörda myndigheterna så ville jag att vi skulle stämma dem i tingsrätten. Han sade att i ett sådant här fall kunde man inte göra det. Det fanns ingen lag för ett sådant fall.

Jag undrade då hur det kan vara så att det inte finns en lag som gör det möjligt för mig att stämma dem när de finns lagar som gör att de kan stämma mig. Han sade att det var en annan lag. Han sade också att vi skulle vänta och att han skulle kontakta dem igen. Jag väntade på ett svar från Johan Sjöström ända tills december månad, då jag kontaktade honom igen. Han sade till mig att han hade fått brev från kronofogdemyndigheten och att han skulle skicka detta till mig. Jag väntade på detta nya brev från kronofogdemyndigheten men inget kom. I början av januari månad ringde jag således till Johan Sjöström. Jag fick svaret att han hade skickat brevet till mig. Men det enda han hade skickat mig var de kopior jag tidigare gett honom. Jag sade igen till Johan Sjöström att jag ville stämma kronofogdemyndigheten, försäkringskassan och skattemyndigheten men han var lika kritisk till det som förra gången. Jag bad då honom, då han var min advokat, att ge förslag på vad jag skulle göra. Han sade då att han inte kunde göra mer för de pengar jag betalat honom (fast han hade inte gjort något för dem vilket jag också sade till honom) och att jag inte heller hade så mycket pengar att betala honom och att jag skulle veta att det inte fanns någon advokater i Sverige som kunde hjälpa mig med mitt fall. Jag sade då till Johan Sjöström att min enda möjlighet då är att personligen stämma dessa tre till Europadomstolen vilket låter sig göras om detta är en demokratisk, solidarisk och rättvis domstol. Min personliga uppfattning är att denna advokat har blivit köpt av dessa maffiamyndigheter.

Jag vänder mig således till Europadomstolen för att få hjälp att straffa dessa svenska myndigheters kriminella handlingar och därtill även att de betalar tillbaka de pengar de stulit av mig samt ränta och skadestånd. Det är inte meningen att de skall stjäla hundratusentals kronor av mig och sedan förvänta sig att jag skall fortsätta betala till den dag jag dör. Jag och min familj har under många år fått lida både psykiskt och ekonomiskt på grund av deras övergrepp. Jag kräver således ett skadestånd på 1 (en) miljon kronor plus ränta. Och eftersom västvärlden kallas för ett demokratiskt, rättvist och solidariskt samhälle vill jag att ni skall visa er demokrati.

Detta utsugande av fattiga och sjuka måste stoppas och de ansvariga kriminella måste straffas. Som domstol räknar jag med att ni kan få fram alla bevis och fakta från dessa kriminella. Jag önskar att detta fall tas upp snarast möjligt, att de skyldiga straffas och mitt skadestånd betalas ut.

Tyvärr är det många gånger så att västmedia predikar rättvisa och solidaritet men bakom stängda dörrar finns kriminaliteten. Här i Sverige ser man varje dag på tv och läser i tidningar att invandrare är kriminella. Nu ser vi dock vem som egentligen är kriminell. Vi invandrare behandlas som tredje klassens medborgare, efter djuren. Detta håller media tyst om istället för att berätta sanningen om den västerländska "rättvisan" och "solidariteten".

Vad jag har upplevt i min kontakt med olika myndigheter är deras liknöjdhet och ointresse. Att något är fel kan vem som helst förstå, en skuld på 45 000 skr 1987, kan inte efter 16 års betalning var uppe i 57 556 skr. Man behöver inte vara speciellt intelligent för att räkna ut detta. Tyvärr är det så att när jag har kontaktat myndigheterna så har de inte ens velat kontrollera detta. Det finns alltså inget sätt för mig att få fram sanningen då de som arbetar där antingen är liknöjda eller inblandade. Men jag vägrar fortsätta att bli avlurad 30 000 - 40 000 skr varje år livet ut och acceptera att mina skulder blir högre och högre Därför vänder jag mig till er som en sista chans att få rättvisa. Jag accepterar inte ett brev där ni skriver att ni inte kan göra någonting, då det är ert ansvar att hjälpa mig.

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From: "Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet" ljupco_mircevski_trepet@hotmail.com
To: macedonian_revolutionary@hotmail.com
CC: ljupco_mircevski_trepet@hotmail.com
Subject: Web sajtot na VMRO-MNM e zatvoren citajte ja mojta izjava.
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:15:52 +0000

Makedonski komito eve ja mojata izjava i sega mozes da ja preprakjas na Makedonski narod i postvi ja vo Makedonskite forumi.

Vnatresna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija - Makedonija Na Makedoncite (VMRO-MNM)!
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Privremen kontakt na E-mail adresata Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet ljupco_mircevski_trepet@hotmail.com

11 April 2003 g.

Pocituvani braka i sestri Makedonki i Makedonci!

Deneska na den 11 April 2003 g. Na Vnatresna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija - Makedonija Na Makedoncite (VMRO-MNM). Web stranicata www.vmro-mnm.com se zatvori. Povodot i faktot za zatvaranjeto na Web stranicata www.vmro-mnm.com bese sto siptarskite, ekstremisti, nacisti, fasisti, pedofili, psihopati, sizofrenicari, teroristi i mafijaski banditi, aktivno se aktiviraa zaedno so Makeodnskite izrodi, predavnicki zverovi-zverski koj sto zaedno ja imat vlasta sobranieto i site drugi Makedonski institucii i asosijacii. Ke povtoram, povodot i faktot bese za ispratenite E-mail poraki od siptarskite zverski, zlocinski dusmani na Makedonskiot narod, so nivni zakani i provokacii. Nie od Organizacijata VMRO-MNM tie nivni agresorski, provokatorski, zakanuvacki i lazna propaganda E-mail poraki gi objavivme vo naj Makedonskiot nacionalen, komitski i patriotski Web sajt. Poslednite dve nedeli imavme konflikt so gazdite na kompanijata Mette Martinsen mette@isphuset.se i Tom Martinsen tom@isphuset.se, ISPHuset Nordic AB info@isphuset.se Webb: isphuset.se/.
Taka da gazdite, odnosno direktorite na kopanijata imale domieno E-mail poraki od siptarskite gadovi so zalbi sto nie sme objavuvale nivni E-mail poraki so nivni iminja i preziminja i sto sme gi narekle siptaraskite gnasotii za vistinski nasisti, fasisti i teroristi (E-MAIL FROM ALBANIAN NAZIS, FASCISTS AND TERRORISTS!). Taka da na direktorite ne im se dopadnalo dek nasite golemi agresori, zlocinci i dusmani sme gi narekle ALBANIAN NAZIS, FASCISTS AND TERRORISTS.
Pa neli zapadniot svet e demokratski, solidarni i realni. Sekoj covek ima pravo da si go iskaze svoeto mislenje. Ne samo nie Makedoncite nemame pravo da si go kazeme naseto mislenje. Da si ja kazuvame nasata vistina. Da gi kazime ogromnite zagrozuvanja i stradanja na dobriot, vernio, cesniot, realniot, zagrozeniot, napateniot i porobeniot Makedonski narod.

Pocituvani braka i sestri Makedonki i Makedonci. Jas vo prilog ke vi gi dostavam E-mail porakite od Direktorkata Mette Martinsen na kompanijata i mio odgovori. Analizite na E-mail porakite se napisani na Svedski-FSPOS jazik. Da jas ne vi gi preveduvam analizite na Makedonski jazik, moze nema da mi veruvate, pa zatoa mozete vie samite da se snajdete so preveduvanje na Makedonski jazik.
Citajte me posle E-mail porakite:

FROM: "ISPHuset / Mette Martinsen" info@isphuset.se
DATE: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:56:25 +0200
TO: vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com
SUBJECT: SV: SV: Hemsidan och mailen igen!

Hej igen Ljupco

Mängden av klagar på din hemdia har ökt här, och styrelsen har beslutat att sidan brytar mot våra almänna vilkor. Du har till på fredag att hitta ett nytt webbhotell - härifrån kommer dina konton att stängas ner på nästa fredag. Vi beklagar, men det är inget annat vi kan göra.

Med vänlig hälsning
Mette Martinsen

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Email: mette@isphuset.se Webb: isphuset.se/

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Skickat: den 31 mars 2003 21:53
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Ämne: Re: SV: Hemsidan och mailen igen!


FROM: Alban halili shiptari195@yahoo.com.au
DATE: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 01:01:46 +1000 (EST)
TO: "VMRO-MNM" info@vmro-mnm.com
SUBJECT: Mamu ti cigansku

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From: "Ferik Ferizaj" feriku2000@hotmail.com
To: vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com
Subject: Macedonia is Ours
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:52:32 -0600

Albanians will take over Macedonia within 10 years (remember this)!!!.
And Albanians are not terrorists but you and all Serbians are. The world knows who terrorists are.
There is no Macedonian Nation-those who call themselves Macedonian are either Serbian or Bulgarian-everybody knows it.
I'm not from Macedonia but I Will fight for our land (Macedonia is our Land) and we will take over Macedonia.
In fact Albanian Army in Macedonia is fighting already (as you may well know).
So remember Mr. whoever you are Macedonian is Albanian Land.

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From: Rahim Hiseni kosovar_brad@hotmail.com
To: vmro-mnm@bredband.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 5:17 PM
Subject:

@#%$ YOU ALL MACEDONIEN WHE WILL KILL YOU ALL...........


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From: "ISPHuset / Mette Martinsen" info@isphuset.se
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:17:56 +0200

>Hej igen Ljupco
>
>Jag vet att jag har att göra med en förening och att du är bra att tala för dig, men jag har tyvärr inte tid att kommentera ditt mail ytterligare eller hålla på att mäkla. Jag ser på din hemsida följande rubrik:
>
>E-MAIL FROM ALBANIAN NAZIS, FASCISTS AND TERRORISTS!
>
>Vi har faktisk regler om att vi inte accepterar någon form av rasism på våra sidor, och även om det är så att du tycker du bara visar fram vad andra skriver, så får du modifiera det du själv skriver i alla fall.
>Personen som har kontaktat mig önskar vara anonym och inte kontakta dig direkt. Vi har som sagt inte tid att hålla på med detta, så du får alltså nu en chans att göra din hemsida så att den kan ligga på vår server och följa våra regler. (Se punkt 11)
>
>Med vänlig hälsning
>Mette Martinsen
>
>
>Mette Martinsen / ISPHuset Nordic AB
>
> Tlf: +46 (0)46 854 29, Fax: +46 (0)46 854 21
>Email: mette@isphuset.se Webb: isphuset.se/
>
>
>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>Från: vmro-mnm [mailto:vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com]
>Skickat: den 28 mars 2003 17:11
>Till: ISPHuset / Mette Martinsen; ljupco@vmro-mnm.com
>Kopia: vmro-mnm
>Ämne: Re: Hemsidan och mailen igen!
>
>
>Hej Mette!
>
>Jag har tidigare bett dig att du skall e-maila personen/personerna ifråga och be denne/dem att kontakta mig så att jag kan ta bort dens/deras e-mail adress/er. Detta har inte skett. Jag kan omöjligt veta vilken/vilka denna/dessa personen/personerna är då vi har tusentals e-mails på organisationens hemsida. De flesta av dem är dock stolta över att få vara delaktiga i hemsidan. Däremot kan jag tänka mig att de som har skrivit hotelser och vulgariteter till organisationen inte uppskattar att finnas här.
>
>Du skriver att det inte är första gången jag är i blåsväder. Då frågar jag vilket blåsväder det skulle vara? Jag har aldrig varit i något blåsväder. Däremot har vissa personer (eller person) kontaktat dig för att denne/de vill att organisationen skall plocka bort dens/deras e-mail adresser. Naturligtvis plockar vi bort e-mail adresserna för de som inte vill stå för sina åsikter.
>
>Antingen får vi göra så att du ber dem att kontakta organisationen eller så får du själv kopiera deras klagomål och maila oss detta inklusive e-mail adresserna och vilken länk det gäller (detta är ytterst viktigt, annars kan jag omöjligen hitta brevet/breven). Det bästa är dock att du själv skickar oss detta då det inte fungerade förra gången jag sade till. Och jag vill inte hamna i "något blåsväder", som du uttrycker det, för att de inte mailar mig.
>
>När det gäller e-mails, du har skrivit att "se till att sluta maila fok som inte önskar få dina e-mails", så skickar vi dessa till: folk som har kontaktat organisationen, Politiska forum och gästböcker och politiska, historiska hemsidor på nätet.
>
>Vad jag vet så är politiska forum till för diskussion. Sålunda så läser jag ett inlägg som någon annan skrivit och sedan svarar på detta. Vad jag förstår med ditt e-mail så är det således så att organisationen inte är "välkommen" hos vissa diskussionsforum. I så fall behöver vi veta vilka de är så att vi inte "stör" dem igen. Jag vill dock säga att har man ett diskussionsforum på nätet så får man också vara beredd på att det blir diskussioner. Annars vad är det för mening med att ha det?

>Organisationen skickar alltså inte till några "vanliga" företag eller "stör" någon som inte är politisk engagerad.
>
>Om något av detta skulle upprepas, vilket vi inte får hoppas men som en politisk organisation aldrig kan vara säker på, så vill jag att ni kontaktar organisationen och skickar e-mail adresserna direkt, utan kommentarer, så att vi kan plocka bort dem direkt. Detta underlättar både för er och för organisationen och jag slipper sådana här e-mails som jag absolut inte uppskattar.
>
>M.v.h Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
>
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: "ISPHuset / Mette Martinsen" info@isphuset.se
>Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:18:05 +0100
>
>>Hej Ljupco
>>
>>Vi har åter mottagit en anmälan pga din hemsida och dina mailutskick.
>>Du lägger ut emails på hemsidan och igen är det personer som inte önskar detta. Du får också se till att sluta maila folk som inte önskar få dina emails. Om inte vi kan få orden på detta har vi inget annat val än att stänga ner din hemsida. Då mycket av texten är på macedonsk (?) kan vi av goda grunnar inte få med oss allt, men detta är inte första gången du är i blåsväder. Kan du inom en vecka dokumetera att du har ändrat på hemsidan, får du ligga kvar, annars får vi stänga ner.
>>
>>Mvh. Mette Martinsen
>>ISPHuset Nordic AB
>>
>>
>

Pocituvani braka i sestri Makedonki i Makedonci!
Jas imav sumna deka toa se raboti za ignoriranje na Makeodnskata Organizacija VMRO-MNM (Makedonija Na Makedoncite), od svetskata javnost. Se razbira za da ne se doznava vistinata za Makedonskata drzava i za Makeodnskiot narod. I moejata sumlivost ispadna i vo vistinsko. Pred nekoj den na mojot mobil telefon mi se javi eden GNASEN siptarski-balista i mi rece deka sme prokleti sloveni i deka gi kostalo "albancite" i nivnite slavo Makedonski prijateli od vladata sto morale da platat nekolku miljoni dolari na direktorite od kompanijata Mette Martinsen mette@isphuset.se i Tom Martinsen tom@isphuset.se za da se zatvori Web stranicata na Organizacijata VMRO-MNM.

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Predhodnite E-mail adresi na Organizacijata VMRO-MNM: VMRO-MNM info@vmro-mnm.com, Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet trepet@vmro-mnm.com, VMRO-MNM vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com, VMRO-MNM macedonia_for_the_macedonians@vmro-mnm.com (Tie E-mail adresi ne postojat povise).

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Republicans as Evil -- Joan Lee, 04:57:25 01/11/01 Thu

It amazes me that having 'won' the election, there seems to be no joy in the Repubs. They are still spouting the mantra of Jim Baker and trying to justify their victory. It frightens me that this mind-control (well,that's what it appears to be to me) is now way beyond the Rush Limbaugh phase and has overtaken the major media as well. It is expected on Fox News but what has happened to the rest of the major media?? Will they continue the campaign in which they helped to paint Al Gore a liar through the next four years?


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[> Re: Republicans as Evil -- Editor, 09:41:58 01/11/01 Thu

It is mind control, propaganda, whatever you wish to call it. As for the major media, don't expect much, if anything. They are now concentrated in the hands of a few big corporations and will do whatever is in the interests of their corporate masters.


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[> [> Re: Republicans as Evil -- NIM, 13:51:22 07/22/01 Sun

http://theprogram.org

Someone said this is a secret site being used for mind-control over the Web. It looks like a typical "404 Page Not Found", but if you click on the "404" or just wait a minute or two, you get access to the site. And things start to happen. But then there's a reference to a book, which makes me think it's a commercial site of some kind.

Only…this stuff about an "assassination utility"? It's right on. (I know because I wrote my Master's thesis on the OSS.) And this business with the 404 Page…what's with that? Wouldn't it just keep people out? I think something's going on here, and there's a lot more to it than selling a book.


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Tit for Tat -- Sarah, 12:21:10 02/17/01 Sat

Lost my message; was told I had invalid email address. sorry but do not feel up to rewriting the prior posting. I needed one line to post the citation or the user address and that was enough to invalidate my posting. Sorry will try to do better next time.


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Candles. Lead danger warnings by government. -- Sarah, 11:05:12 02/17/01 Sat

Click here: CNN.com - Health - U.S. regulators vote to ban lead wick candles - February 14, 2001

Until this article was reported, I was unaware of the danger poised by the wicks in candles. Reading the article should be a must for all parents because their children especially are at risk for lead poisoning. Heretofore it was reported that old paint that contained lead was the primary cause, but if most candles have wicks with lead content that permeates the air when the wick is lit then it behooves dissemination of this information to the public at large.


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"Hooverizing" Jessie Won't Stop the Fight -- Hazel, 06:00:01 01/20/01 Sat

"Hooverizing" is a great word--it communicates a lot. We all know the FBICIA ways of dealing with people who speak out--smear, smear. Our fight for justice is bigger than one person. Leaders are all over the place--there is no one leader in a fight like this--for basic rights. We must all move on and not be deterred from the real issues of a "stolen" election and a "selected" President. Jessie should get up, dust himself off and get back in step. Forty years of struggle is a special record.


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Democrats leaving the ranks -- Juan, 02:05:16 01/20/01 Sat

I am very dissapointed with some democrat senators like Z. Miller from GA that are going to vote for Ashcroft. Democrats like him are the ones that can forget very easily what the republicans did for 8 yrs. Especially in the next four years with a fraudulent and cheater president that democrats have to stick together and make their lives miserable.


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Impeach Dumbya now! -- Bill Cavanaugh, 00:38:19 01/20/01 Sat

His Fraudulency has no legitimacy! The Republicans and Governor Nitwit have shown the whole world that they have no honor or integrity! In order to pull off their shameful coup d'etat they poisoned our Democracy. Our freedoms are now in peril.
We now need to unite and work to vote out ALL of the Republicans in 2002 and 2004. We should clean house at the national, state, and local levels. If each of us would register 10 new voters for the Democratic Party we could help this effort tremendously.
We shall not forget what was done in Election 2000!
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Like the Roundtable! -- Mike in Texas, 20:43:01 01/19/01 Fri

As a frequent visitor to your site, I'm glad to see the
roundtable. Hope that it continues to provide a place to post thoughts about the stealing of the Presidency. BTW, I usually fly the flag on national holidays. Tomorrow I'll fly it upside down, something I would never have thought I would do. The country seems to be in for a rough next two years.


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Bill Clinton leaving office -- Shakti, 04:07:21 01/19/01 Fri

When I went online earlier today and saw the headline on my home page of MSNBC about "Clinton says farewell to the nation" immediately tears came to my eyes....and later when I read news stories about his talk Thursday I started to cry.. It's sad ....and scary to be left with Bush and his henchmen instead. It's like we won't be safe anymore.....most of us (unless you're a wealthy corporation or right wing racist).

There was one good scene in the film "Deep Impact" where the world is going to end when an asteroid hits the earth and a female reporter goes to the shore to meet up with her handsome graying father (who was far from perfect but she loved him anyway) and they stand together as this unbelievably huge tidal wave comes hurling at them like a nightmarish black wall. And it will destroy all in its path. It's like Clinton is that father and His Fradulency and Co are the nightmarish tidal wave. In the film some people did survive and so I must hope too that some of this countries democracy, environment and laws will survive this coup d'etat staged by the plutocracy.


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Ashcroft today -- Barbara, 16:57:08 01/17/01 Wed

Today listening to Ashcroft was unbelieveable! Senator Biden tried and tried to get him to say something negative about 'Southern Parisan', but he never would! I don't see how he can get away with that. But the democrats will fold, they always do. Democrats should know that we the people are angry and they had better get angry. Where is the "rule of law", or the "nation of laws and not men" that the dirty hypocrital republicans have talked about for eight years? They stole the election after eight years of 'rule of law', I can't believe it. There is no law now, it is meaningless!


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Ashcroft Is Losing His Religion -- Marlene, 12:04:20 01/17/01 Wed

Something is extremely wrong with Ashcroft's testimonies!!

For two days now, he has seemed to abandon his precious
religious beliefs. Either he is telling big lies, or he is
foregetting about all of his religious mish mash that he has shoved down our throats. I suspect that it is the lies.

Either way, he does not sound like a man with integrity for the White House. There is no integrity in abandoning your
religious convictions for government. There is no integrity
in a man who lies that he will abandon what he has preached
and practiced for years to uphold the laws.

This is talking out of both sides of one's mouth. This crazed being is an anti-Christ.

He is dazed and confused, and trying to do the same to us.
Power hungry, and will stop at nothing to obtain the smashing of Democracy.


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Articles submitted to Online Journal -- Al, 20:01:33 01/12/01 Fri

After reading lots of great articles at Online Journal, I have come to the conclusion that I would be interested in trying to interest them in some of my material. Can anyone tell me what the requirements are for submitting articles to Online Journal? Any help would be appreciated.
Al


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[> Re: Articles submitted to Online Journal -- Barbara, 13:44:50 01/15/01 Mon

Just email editor@onlinejournal.com and ask how to submit, I guess.


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[> Re: Articles submitted to Online Journal -- ramdass2001, 16:27:48 01/16/01 Tue

well, some of the obvious requirements would by (in no particular order)

left leaning, that's a given
identification of a victimized group (preferably black)_
try to tie all societal ills to the "system"
lable conservatives as "dangerous", "mean"
eschew personal responsibility
decry military spending
be properly ashamed of the dominant american culture


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Question for John Ashcroft -- Sari Kadison-Shapiro, 10:07:21 01/14/01 Sun

Here is the questiont that should be asked of John Ashcroft:

"Could you do a little 'talking in tongues' for us here and now?"


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[> Re: Question for John Ashcroft -- w.t. moore, 10:48:42 01/16/01 Tue

"i'll be happy to demonstrate my spirit filled ability to speak in tongues, but first i must annoint everyone's head with oil..."

i honestly believe that ashcroft feels as though he answers to a higher power first and then works his way down to the rule of law. he is so heavenly minded, he is no earthly good.

if gee dubyah wants to appoint him to his cabinet, maybe he should create a new post for him. how about U.S. ambassador to the flat earth society?

he'd be perfect for it....


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[> Re: Question for John Ashcroft -- Marlene, 14:36:06 01/16/01 Tue

It seems that this request is getting its wish. He is
speaking in tongues when he repeatedly lies about upholding
laws. Of course, his fingers are crossed, and he is using reverse psychology by playing the martyr.

Oh, poor, poor Johnny, we are hurting his feelings when we
question his extreme God like views. He missed his calling.
Shouldn't he be an evangelist?

Praise the Lord, Mr.liar man, praise the Lord, and have mercy if you become A.G.

I think he is Tammy Fay Baker without the makeup.


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The Last Resource For Democrats To Get The Truth -- Marlene, 11:03:41 01/15/01 Mon

Today, I have a great and deepening fear in the pit of my stomach. This comes not only with Shrub, as our dictator,
but with Ashcroft, as our A.G.
That deepening fear is that,somehow,the Right Wingnuts will find a way to take away our one and only resource for getting the truth out to those who search for it.

That resource is the Internet. With the merger of AOL and
Time we may be doomed. They will be watching us, no doubt.

This is already happening with the takeover of some phone systems by Southwestern Bell, and,of course, radio and T.V.

They will cleverly disguise themselves, as they always do,
then the dismantling with start.

I don't think that this is paranoia when it comes to what we know about Nazis and Facists.


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[> Re: The Last Resource For Democrats To Get The Truth -- Editor, 12:43:39 01/15/01 Mon

No, it is not paranoia. The possibility of the Net being shut down or totally controlled is something I have been cautioning people about for some time -- even long before the other side got the notion to run Shrubya for prez.

That prospect becomes more chilling in the face of the AOL/Time-Warner merger and the telecom mergers.

He who controls the medium also can control the message.

Don't forget that Shrubya said, "There ought to be limits to freedom" and called Zack Exley (gwbush.com) a "garbage man" -- an appellation I hope Zack is wearing as a badge of honor.


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Philip Berg's Case -- Michael, 12:22:30 01/15/01 Mon

Philip Berg is heading a lawsuit against Jeb, Dubya, and Katy Harris. If this is going to become a federal case, it might be wise to make O'Connors, Scalia, Thomas, and Rehnquist defendents as well, preferably so they do not have to appear in person, if this is possible. If they have to appear in person, this could create an unwanted public outcry, but they should be in a position where they are defendents, and not final judges, on this case.

O'Connors said she wanted to retire in a Republican administration before the whole fiasco. Scalia's son was working in the case against Gore. Thomas' wife was investigating dirt on Gore. Rehnquist had a vendetta with Gore's attorney, Boies, who defeated his son who was an attorney for Microsoft. None of these characters should have the final say. I'm wondering how to contact Philip Berg to leave him open to this suggestion, since this going to the Supreme Court is a very real possibility.


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Ashcroft A Loose Cannon -- Zack Buckner, 19:55:41 01/13/01 Sat

For the past two weeks, I have read nothing but "Mr. Ashcroft is a man of great integrity." Of course he is, that is why he will not enforce a women's right to choose. He believes that his integrity is bigger than any "liberal laws."

The Bush Administration should withdraw the appointment of John Ashcroft to such a critical cabinet post as Attorney General. I raise this concern not just because of his conservative beliefs. There are many other conservatives that qualify and are able to fill this post. However, John Ashcroft is a loose cannon and could be more of a problem to Republicans than Democrats if confirmed. He constantly states that he gets his orders from God and not from man. The Attorney General and the Justice Department investigates all other cabinet members, vice President, President, and anyone at his discretion. He will not listen to Mr. Bush or anyone when he becomes Attorney General. This type of religious fanaticism can doom the nation and certainly the Republican Party.

In recent years politically, it is difficult, if not impossible to fire an Attorney General, especially this one with the Religious Right breathing down Mr. Bush's neck.

Please, I call on Rev. Jerry Falwell to withdraw this nominee because this is a big mistake that's going to polarize the nation and become a disaster for President-select Bush.


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Articles submitted to Online Journal -- Al, 20:00:45 01/12/01 Fri

After reading lots of great articles at Online Journal, I have come to the conclusion that I would be interested in trying to interest them in some of my material. Can anyone tell me what the requirements are for submitting articles to Online Journal? Any help would be appreciated.
Al


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republicans arent evil -- some guy, 16:34:17 01/12/01 Fri

most republicans arent evil. just misled.
it's a very hard thing we are doing,
ignoring the droning of the
corporatofacist conservative media - some
people, gullible people, bite into it.
they know not what they do.
(a quote from a book conservatives
often thump, but rarely read)

if you're going to washington on
inauguration day, try to remember its
not the people who voted for smirk
who are bad, its the supreme whores...
err, judges... who foisted him upon us.


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No Joy in Whoville -- PJ, 13:04:47 01/11/01 Thu

You're right, I've never heard such a bunch of sore winners.


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the Republicans as evil -- gloria holicek, 22:35:57 01/10/01 Wed

Just another illustration of their nastiness. In Sacramento during demonstrations by Repugs, Some signs were carried using sickle and hammer for the G in Gore and people were shouting "No More communism!! No More Gore!"
Now what would you call that?


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[> Re: the Republicans as evil -- JM, 23:34:09 01/10/01 Wed

Hateful. What is it they are so afraid of?


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