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Subject: Following the sentiments of the 2 previous posts...

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lokisdad

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Date Posted: Saturday, April 26 2003, 11:26:09 GMT ( - 8 )

It truly amazes me how petty some of my fellow human beings can be. We all make mistakes, none of us is perfect. But it seems some people will hold on to a grudge no matter what the cost. Their behavior is self-destructive, but they don't appear to either see this or care. When someone tries to apologize to you, the decent thing to do is accept it. Ignoring the person making the apology, deleting posts, blocking IP addresses, is such a waste of time. Grow up. Accept that people you know either as online buddies or in real life, will not always agree with you. When a friend of mine asked me not to send him any more anti-Bush stuff, I did. He and I don't see eye to eye on whether Bush is a better president than Gore may have been, but I love and respect my friend. Is it worth throwing away a friendship over whether or not they support the war in Iraq? Apparently some of you think that to be the case. Which goes to show how tolerant some people really are. If you're going to talk the talk about being able to say what you want, whether it be about war or gay rights, or midget wrestling, walk the walk and understand others will not have the same opinions as you do. I've seen people call each other nasty names over things ranging from nude pictures of children, to the current war. Agree to disagree with someone. If you don't like what a person is saying, attempting to shut them up will just lead to you getting shut up. I keep hearing "it's my website and I'll decide who gets to post there or not" Hurrah, you win the Ashcroft award for stifling free speech. You created the board for others to participate. You didn't ask that they swear loyalty to your viewpoint. You just wanted particpation. Now that you have established your clique, feel free to bully others and have your clique do the same. Reminds me of junior high school. Be aware of the friends you throw away. I am. I've had to work hard to re-establish contact with some people I hurt intentionally and unintentionally. I've made a concious decision to work to understand others and their views. I may not agree with them. And if I really disagree I will definitely be vocal about it. But I won't cut off others because they disagree with me. I wonder why a person can say they like someone, talk to them, encourage them, and then dump them. Did you expect them to follow obediently? Did you not realize that your "friend" has thoughts and opinions of his/her own? If you can throw away one person, you surely can't be trusted not to throw away others. Look to the example of our persident when you declare "it's my way or the highway" and how many people in the world today trust the US and it's government. There are a lot of people who fear us. They fear speaking out because we or one of our "allies" may seek to harm them. I see a striking resemblence to the way George Bush leads, and the way people in this message board community are leading. Me personally, I don't see a problem with me caring about both Dave and Kris, though they definitely have serious issues between the two of them. I don't see a problem with me caring about Wolfie and Dewey, though they don't talk to each other because of fear. I don't see a problem with me hating this war with Iraq, and loving my little sister who is over there risking her life. I think some of you guys need to look at the hatred you've foisted on your fellow man. It's not a pretty sight. If you really were someones' friend before, what is the reason you can't be his/her friend now? Because if it's because they dare to have a differing opinion, you really need some help. Cut your fellow human beings a little slack. Not everyone thinks before posting something on a message board. Not everyone reads the same message the same way. That's why when we speak we use intonation and inflection. Using a different intonation when we speak a sentence can lead to a totally different meaning to a sentence. How do you know exactly what a person means unless you hear it directly? Is it really worth getting all upset over words? "actions speak louder than words" Again, think about the "friends" you've thrown away. Your actions spoke very loudly to many people. Please feel free to write to me, take notice of the e-mail address, I hate spammers sucking up addresses off of message boards. Or post here, I won't cut off a friendship just because you disagree with what I say.

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[> Subject: Well put Todd, EXCELLENT - logical and concise, a message which should cause people to THINK. Unfortunately the thinking process for many humans is short circuited when they start waving flags, even if they do not use a literal banner or piece of cloth to represent a thought, location, or ideal....[more]

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<:) frazzled pink duck
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Date Posted: Saturday, April 26 2003, 17:10:20 GMT ( - 8 )

that they have chosen to identify with. When this occurs humans even have a tendency to use the same rhetoric, innuendo, name calling and other methods to defend their banner as those that they are allied against.

So though your message makes perfect sense to me and I unequivocally agree and endorse it - I seriously doubt it will have any impact on those who truly need to hear what you are saying. Those that most need to HEAR what you are saying have become RIGID in their thinking. I would be very pleasantly surprised if there were any replies that indicated they had READ your message, UNDERSTOOD what you were saying and then admit that they took the time for some serious introspection and while making the effort to OBJECTIVELY contemplate both themselves and the content of your post, found that there are parts they will attempt to utilize as they have come to the realization that doing so will contribute to making them a better person.

Whereas your post is well thought out, easily understandable, and I for one cannot find any thoughts conveyed that I could or would challenge, there will be those that will view it as an attack and will immediately go into the defensive mode. I imagine some of the responses to it should there be any, will not be nearly as thoughtful as your post, some may even be hurtful and without meaningful content, but as I said HUMANS who allow an individual, or cause, or geographical location to become a significant part of their own identity usually REACT and do so without attempting to use any kind of thought process.

When we have a position on an ideal or issue or are even neutral about and an individual offers an argument which is so persuasive, it would cause us to switch our attitudes and endorse their position, I believe that it is imperative that while we do not remain absolutely RIGID in our thinking, before we take a meaningful stand on anything that we have previously not endorsed or have been opposed to - WE SHOULD CAREFULLY SCRUTINIZE THE INDIVIDUAL WHO OFFERED THE PERSUASIVE ARGUMENT - ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT WE CAREFULLY ANALYZE THE WORDS OR SPEECH AS TO THE REAL CONTENT - THEY MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY THAT IS MEANINGFUL, THAT WE HAD NOT CONSIDERED AND THEREFORE CAN SWAY US IF WE ARE NOT RIGID IN OUR THINKING AND DO SO APPROPRIATELY - or - THE RHETORIC MAY BE JUST THAT, CAREFULLY WORDED RHETORIC AND INNUENDO, that has little foundation in reality yet because of the communication skills or the charisma of the author or individual delivering the speech, the content sways those to their position even if that position is contrary to their own personal beliefs - because often it won't seem to the individual that they are in reality taking a position that is contrary to what they believe is right.

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[> [> Subject: Mitchell, I beleve you should seriously contemplate WITH OBJECTIVITY IF YOU STILL HAVE THAT ABILITY - Todd's post and my reply .....

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<:) duck/ed
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Date Posted: Saturday, April 26 2003, 17:21:08 GMT ( - 8 )

perhaps some of the thoughts contained therein will have a beneficial effect or perhaps you have reached a state where improvement is not necessary nor an option. After all I guess you know that when YOUR RIGHT - YOUR RIGHT!!!

If so then feel free to quack at the duck with similar non-content as you did to David - if that is the kind of message you wish to use to convey the type of individual you are and how you think by all means that is your perogative and this is after all the VENT BOARD.

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[> Subject: Todd? Can we talk about midget wrestling now?
Author: Kris [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Monday, April 28 2003, 19:07:18 GMT ( - 8 ) didja see the big b-day I gave ya on my board? 280 years old my my [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: How many is that in tiger years? And sure we can talk about midget mud wrestling, as long as it's nude midget mud wrestling :)
Author: lokisdad [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Monday, April 28 2003, 20:20:24 GMT ( - 8 ) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: I agree with you on some points and dissagree on others, for instance, I've seen friends get into fights and sometimes not be able to make up, I believe I can still be friends with both parties (more)

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ien
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Date Posted: Tuesday, April 29 2003, 11:09:07 GMT ( - 8 )

I also believe that after I hurt someone pretty bad and maybe said unpleasant things to them, I should sometimes expect an olive branch being given out, to get thrown back in my face, I may be ready to forgive and forget but the other party might not be, I'll just have to accept that. What I wouldn't do is go to an other board and complain and give out some low blows, cause that would make me look like I didn't really want to forgive and forget but more like I'd wanna stir up the fire a bit to see what happens, but that's just me I guess. And yes I know I make loooooooooooong sentences :P

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[> Subject: Ouch, bud, let me loan ya some paragraphs! Okay, I'll attempt a read again when I'm coherenet. Sorry for the blather , well half sorry.
Author: Trevor/TJ [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Wednesday, April 30 2003, 22:23:05 GMT ( - 8 ) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Yeah I know what you mean!!!!....Over the last two years......I have apologized and said sorry, yet that person continues to ignore me......which hurts MORE then what was said between us!!!......
Author: Brad [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Wednesday, April 30 2003, 23:14:50 GMT ( - 8 ) At least I will always know that I tried!!! And one day maybe he will find it in his heart to talk to me......if not, I will hold on to the great memories of the past!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]