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Subject: Hmmmmm........


Author:
Kimmy
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Date Posted: 01:32:27 11/02/02 Sat
In reply to: KatherineJ 's message, "What to do when your man isn't doing it right" on 14:48:13 11/01/02 Fri

I know your blowing off steam here and I think that is cool. I am the type that has to vent too. I don't think you were harsh with what you have told us about your boyfriend. These are issues that bother you and you have spoke with him about it.

1. Yeah, I would think finding a job would be an issue with him too. I'm sure he is looking, from what you have said, just keep encouraging without nagging. Does that make sense. You aren't sharing a place with him, so you aren't really depending on part of his income to pay bills from a shared living space. He will find a job, don't worry. Try not to make this an issue between the two of you, unless you feel like you are having to pay more for evening outs or whatever than you would like or find fair.

2. The car thing, seems to me that he has a plan on that one and without really having a job it is hard to get, keep and maintain one, so I think that to will come after he lands a job or the vette is sold, as you have said. Don't sweat this one too much either. You really didn't fall in love with him for his car of his lack of one, right?

3. Cleaning the house...now it is his place right? So if he keeps it in a style that you don't really feel comfortable in, you could just keep on seeing each other in your home. I know the un-kept house bugs you, it would me too, but again, you didn't fall in love with his house. Right?

4. I totally agree with you on this one, he really has to get this taken care of. KJ, you are his girlfriend, friend and lover, not his mother. He is a grown man. I'm sure he will take care of all of this, if he values your input and happiness. But, honey, it isn't up to you to get him to move on this stuff faster than he wants too. I know it is frustrating, because you have always struck me as a "Take care of Business" type of gal. I'm that way too, I want order in my life and it blows me right out of the water when my order is disrupted. I have just learned to let things slide, if it isn't blood, guts, life or death, it will get done. Just not always as fast as I would like it too.

I have a question for you, has he ever had you change anything that bugs him? Like any of the things that you have mentioned, stuff that just gets on your nerves type of things? I would just try to be a little more accepting and try to deal with it. I know, easier said than done, but until you are really sharing a living space or married, it comes off as nagging. Just my thoughts.

I wish you all the best. Hugs!

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[> Subject: Becoming a man's mother...


Author:
Meghan
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Date Posted: 06:49:26 11/02/02 Sat

is NOT a role they force you into, it's one you CHOOSE.

I agree with what the rest have said, my mouth dropped a little further open at each "chop-chop! Get cracking now!" demand you seem to have placed on him, as well as the way you seem to be bossing him around over things like which order he does his errands in. Good GRIEF!

When we love someone, we have to learn to love them the way they are. No ifs, ands, or buts - the way they are. I, too, would show someone the door who started saying they needed *me* to do things differently in aspects of my life in order to make *them* happy, particularly when we don't live together. The very idea! In fact, I have done so. I spent far too long in a relationship with a controlling, demanding man who thought his ways should be my ways when it came to neatness and efficiency, not realizing that everything that made me who I am was the flip side of my relaxed free-spiritedness - a quality he was sorely lacking.

It's one thing if a person has serious shortcomings that we don't find acceptable (lying, cheating, etc.), and even then our only choice is to leave. But, things like how messy vs. neat someone is, or how quickly they attend to details *we* find important, but that aren't really about us, are just part of accepting another human being shortcomings and all. And, if they these things fall into the category of things we can't accept that's fine (well, somewhat uptight, but still well within our rights), even then our only good choice is to leave. Better yet though, is realizing there *is* no perfection, and learning to focus on pretty much only the positive about a person we care for and work ourselves on trying to come to understand the rest rather than change them.

The first step is realizing that you AREN'T right about what he should do, and instead that both of you have equally important perspectives that *differ*. You two are apparently opposites, and opposites attract and can bring a great deal to each other's lives as long as they accept each other, differences and all. Think of his perspective. He'd like it if you could just laugh when he farts, not mind his mess, and not see everything he does as about you. Why aren't you doing it right?:-)

I don't mean to be harsh, and I realize (hope!) you're being more emphatic than you feel for emphasis, this general issue just hits a nerve with me.

Some specific comments:

*You're severely underestimating the mental and emotional strain and drain of searching for and being without a job for a long time. Leave him alone! He's dealing with it the best way he knows how, and the last thing he needs is pressure and disapproval from the one he loves piled atop the pressure and disappointment he already feels within. If your pushing has any effect on his employment, it will be to make it happen more slowly. Tell him you believe in him, and you know he'll make it happen when he's ready.

*Regarding his car, if he doesn't show up for dates or is late for them - that's the only portion of this that affects you. Your right is to ask that he call to let you know, reschedule, take the bus/taxi, arrange that you'll take your car, etc., to meet you on time - that's it. Otherwise, tell him you don't love him for his car or lack thereof and you just know he'll find a good one soon, you're not worried about it.

*If how messy *his* house is bothers *you*, then *you* should clean it. I don't actually recommend this, since the idea is to *not* become his mother, I'm only illustrating that it bothering you that he chooses to live in a messy house is *your* issue. Appreciate the things he's good at instead, and realize you are just different.

*Regarding the creditors, he's arranged a payment plan. Let him handle it like the adult he is and stop being suspicious and mistrustful that he doesn't have the money. He may not, but it almost comes across as if you look for things to mother him about.

I can't stress enough that this overall "I'm right about what's good for you and you need to change to please me" bossy attitude of yours is going to bite you hard if you don't loosen up. No man - no person, will take nagging forever unless they're a complete doormat, and no matter how much they realize the person is trying to help. He'll either leave you or start lying to you, maybe both, if you keep it up. And it'll be your fault.


[> [> Subject: Think you missed something


Author:
Pam
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Date Posted: 11:37:37 11/02/02 Sat

Regarding his lack of car/junky car. He also has a frigging CORVETTE that he's selling to pay bills. He bought the cheap junky car so he could sell his high dollar car and get some extra cash. But the Vette has some trash in it. LOL, don't ever take a look in my van.
[> [> [> Subject: LOL...yeah, I guess...


Author:
Meghan
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Date Posted: 22:21:25 11/03/02 Sun

I just assumed the vette must be older or not running well since she said he was planning to use that money for a reliable car.

The more I think about all this, and the fact that these things are already "driving her NUTS", the more I think the relationship just isn't going to work long term. People just don't change their underlying natures no matter what approach you use, so if there are all these things she can't accept as they are and it's already affecting her sexual response to him at four months into it, it's only a matter of time.


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