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Subject: 兄弟們，大功告成，收Band喇！（上）


Author:
7b26
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Date Posted: 05:15:56 04/26/03 Sat
 請先看看以下的資料：
支持 = 關注、欣賞、祝福、吶喊、係屋企睇電視、入馬場參觀、下小注、下大注……
濟濟精神 = 一隻馬、老校友的愛校愛師的精神、濟記的投射、賭博的工具……
賽馬 = 運動、比賽、嘉年華會、國際盛事、博彩活動……
宣揚 = 大聲講、公開講、登廣告、派傳單、印書仔……
賭博 = 合法的（賽馬、六合彩、打麻雀、鋤大D、賭波（就黎）、打賭Summer同獨眼龍今年會考邊個A多0的……）；非法的（輪盤、番攤、牌九、show hand……）
馬會 = 合法的機構、慈善的機構、博彩的機構、僱請龐大員工的機構、每年進貢政府很多的機構……

以上每一個set都有很多不同elemenets，任何element均不可能代替完整的Set，正所謂「白馬非馬」，如硬要把兩者對等，便是以偏概全。現在由每一個set中抽取一個element，來代表同一set中的另一element或整個set，組成一句判斷句，用來代表完整的sets所包含的另一些elements甚或全部elements的概念，就更加不可能。大家用排列組合的方式看看以上所列可以提供多少個可能性？

根據上文的資料，Summer可以得出支持濟濟精神等如宣揚賭博的結論；我們也可以得出欣賞老校友的愛校愛師的精神等如宣揚犯法的（事情）的結論。我們在向Summer提問時，不斷要求他考慮一個概念所能包容的其他可能性，用意正是如此。

我們可再舉一例，我們認為「支持濟濟精神等如宣揚賭博」不能成立，正如前提1是「Summer是聖芳濟學生」；前提2是「獨眼龍是聖芳濟學生」，因此，「不喜歡Summer一味批評別人」不等如「不喜歡獨眼龍一味批評別人」也不等如「不喜歡聖芳濟學生」又不等如「打倒聖芳濟」一樣。

以上所談到的，並唔止係simple logic，因此Summer永遠點極都唔明；而且是rational，更加是legal。

再者，對世間上既野既認識，客觀條件是否容許我地搜集晒「所有真確的資料」，俾我地作出誰對誰錯的判斷？我地問Summer一句，法官和陪審團會不會作出錯誤的判決？我們看報，間唔中會覺得法庭判某些案件太輕或太重，那是否法官或陪審團判錯呢？其實，這牽涉到證據不足、法律過時、法律程序僵化、辯方律師的詭辯、案例等影響（偏私、貪污已不在討論之列）。因此，縱使是殺人、盜竊等大是大非的事情，法官和陪審團判案也要考慮完很多因素和證據才做判決呢；縱使如此，也不擔保不會判錯！那有好似Summer咁一看見是「殺人」，便判人家死刑呢！正如討論辛亥革命，Summer應先到圖書館看看各家各派有關辛亥革命的研究，才再發表他的偉論吧！唔好咁膚淺啦！
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[> Subject: Re: 兄弟們，大功告成，收Band喇！（中）


Author:
7b27
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Date Posted: 05:19:47 04/26/03 Sat
我地7B班呢次在九濟堂集體發言，目的是做一個實驗，只是想引Summer出黎，示範給各位濟民睇，如果我地發言時不能自律，不能互相尊重，措詞太強硬，想攪寸九濟堂個party實在易過借火。這次我地只用了四天的時間，情況便已惡劣如此，最後攪到大家不歡而散，咁樣九濟堂又要付出摺埋一段時間既代價。其實，係米不以避免既呢？

老實講，九濟堂已經係我地校園生活既一部分，濟記留給我地既回憶，除左上堂、校園、老師、同學、測驗考試、打波同課外活動外，大監獄、大笪地到而家既九濟堂，可以話係陪伴住我地呢一屆中七成長既老友記。但眼見去年自Summer一出場之後，成個九濟堂立刻走晒樣，不是無厘頭既罵戰，便是拍晒烏蠅，我地由日日上九濟堂變成隔日上，隔兩日上，到後來索性唔鬼上，冇眼屎，乾淨盲。宜家考完AL，得閒D，上黎睇見呢位老友記係度扯緊蝦，成個中左非典肺咁既衰樣，便諗出呢條橋，希望盡下師兄既責任，呼籲大家珍惜九濟堂呢個園地，好好保養佢，等我地第時仲可以得閒黎坐下，順便「問候」一下公仔佬。
[> [> Subject: Re: 兄弟們，大功告成，收Band喇！（下）


Author:
7b28
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Date Posted: 05:23:23 04/26/03 Sat
講開公仔佬，佢今次真係無辜辜，無啦啦走黎搭訕。其實，我地覺得佢只係想出黎扮下中立，提醒下我地注意發言既態度同禮貌，多從不同角度思考問題，不要把自己的說話當做真理，講真佢講既野有mud唔妥？但都一樣比Summer鬧到PK，話佢講野無point屎、討好壞學生、枉為德育老師、影衰濟記、叫佢收皮。老實講，如果公仔佬咁都叫做唔盡責教學生，不配做老師，是濟記既冗員，你問下人，我地7B邊個教英文你先至講啦！

Summer成日話公仔佬唔表態，但有一樣野大家都忽略左，就係同九濟堂個個公仔佬太熟，你地根本唔記得左佢係公sir，正所謂佢在明，我地在暗，我地係九濟堂點樣亂吹甚至爆粗，都唔會傷身入肉，

各位師弟，你地鐘唔鐘意我地呢班師兄今次既實驗都好，我地真係好希望九濟堂好似舊時咁和平，百花齊放，扮演做濟民喉舌既角色（唔係好多學校俾攪D咁既野架）。

公仔佬：唔好意思，攪寸你個場。我地臨走都幫你撐住個九濟堂，都算唔話得卦！Good-bye Sir!
[> [> [> Subject: This website is under the control of Dollman?


Author:
Summer
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Date Posted: 05:38:32 04/26/03 Sat
>公仔佬：唔好意思，攪寸你個場
Sorry, I don't know this website belongs to Dollman. So now I know why I am under some many attacks now.
[> [> [> [> Subject: 干我底事？


Author:
公仔佬
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Date Posted: 09:11:36 04/26/03 Sat
Summer,
口生在人家的頭上，非我所能控制，正如我不能控制你的口一樣。請不要以目代心，先細心想想有沒有這個可能，纔來找我算賬。可能你現在已有點神經衰弱，本來已相當好勝的你，現在就更加會胡亂拔劍出鞘了。
再者，我何德何能找那麼多同學上來為我助拳，如果我有這樣的影響力，九濟堂便不會四顧蕭條數月了。因此，你不如考慮一下，會不會是自己招惹來的宿敵呢？
現在你們兄弟鬩牆數日，花名層出不窮，我已開始分不開你們誰是誰了。究竟我現在是跟Summer?summer? or SUMMER在談話，我已搞不清了。還有什麼真Summer跟假Summer呢！
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: This website is under the control of Dollman?


Author:
一蚊
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Date Posted: 11:55:47 04/26/03 Sat
擇善而固,
我相信大家都認為是好事,

但請在"固"之前想下自己堅持的是否唯一合理的.
千萬不要自己的觀點就principle
但又不停要別人give point

仲有現代logic通常為多值(multi-valued)邏輯,
例如：true/false/undetermined/paradox
現實problem solving or 討論,唔係"right is right"
"wrong is wrong"咁直接簡單

溫AL,草草結筆
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: 都唔知你up 乜


Author:
XD人
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Date Posted: 23:12:38 04/26/03 Sat
>擇善而固,
>我相信大家都認為是好事,
>
>但請在"固"之前想下自己堅持的是否唯一合理的.
>千萬不要自己的觀點就principle
>但又不停要別人give point
>
>仲有現代logic通常為多值(multi-valued)邏輯,
>例如：true/false/undetermined/paradox
>現實problem solving or 討論,唔係"right is right"
>"wrong is wrong"咁直接簡單
>
>溫AL,草草結筆
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: 我知佢up 乜


Author:
公仔佬
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Date Posted: 01:26:25 04/27/03 Sun
「擇善而固執之」簡寫「擇善固執」，即儒家教人對「道」要堅持、要緊握，不要放手。
一蚊說：「我相信大家都認為『擇善而固執之』是好事，但請在『固執』之前想想，自己所堅持的是否『唯一合理的真理』，因此，千萬不要把自己的觀點就說成是principle，always true，而人家的觀點就一定是不對，不停要別人give point。」

「仲有現代logic通常為多值(multi-valued)邏輯,例如：true / false / undetermined / paradoxed。」
即是除了對、錯之外，還有「未能確定的」和「似是而非的」兩個選擇。

「因此，現實problem solving or 討論,唔係"right is right"或
"wrong is wrong"咁直接簡單。」

一蚊：未知有否改變了你的原意？
[> [> Subject: Re: 兄弟們，大功告成，收Band喇！（下）


Author:
7b28
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Date Posted: 05:26:52 04/26/03 Sat
講開公仔佬，佢今次真係無辜辜，無啦啦走黎搭訕。其實，我地覺得佢只係想出黎扮下中立，提醒下我地注意發言既態度同禮貌，多從不同角度思考問題，不要把自己的說話當做真理，講真佢講既野有mud唔妥？但都一樣比Summer鬧到PK，話佢講野無point屎、討好壞學生、枉為德育老師、影衰濟記、叫佢收皮。老實講，如果公仔佬咁都叫做唔盡責教學生，不配做老師，是濟記既冗員，你問下人，我地7B邊個教英文你先至講啦！

有次Summer話公仔佬唔表態，但有一樣野大家都忽略左，就係同九濟堂個個公仔佬太熟，你地根本唔記得左佢係公sir，正所謂佢在明，我地在暗，我地係九濟堂點樣亂吹甚至爆粗，都唔會傷身入肉；但公仔佬一講野就唔同，佢發言除左代表佢自己既立場外，仲代表（德育）老師既身分，有時仲代表埋校方係呢度放風，你諗下佢咁多顧忌，但每則留言都仲水蛇春咁長，會用左幾多時間去準備？

各位師弟，你地鐘唔鐘意我地呢班師兄今次既實驗都好，我地真係好希望九濟堂好似舊時咁和平，百花齊放，扮演做濟民喉舌既角色（唔係好多學校俾攪D咁既野架）。

公仔佬：唔好意思，攪寸你個場。我地臨走都幫你撐住個九濟堂，都算唔話得卦！Good-bye Sir!
[> Subject: You are a dictator


Author:
Summer
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Date Posted: 05:26:37 04/26/03 Sat
>我地真係好希望九濟堂好似舊時咁和平，百花齊放，扮演做濟民喉
>舌既角色（唔係好多學校俾攪D咁既野架）。
If 和平 means do not allow others to have opposition view and to exercise freedom of speech, it is like a dictorship. Under the rule of a dictator who often claims he or she is representing the "more people" view, those against he or she will be killed. There is many examples in history. We ought to learn lesson from them.
If you say you want 百花齊放, why I am not allowed to say whatever I want to? You are self-contradictory.
扮演做濟民喉舌既角色 is good, but do you think only you or your class are sfx students? Are you saying you are the only one who can represent the view of all SFX students?
All SFX students, be careful.
[> [> Subject: 冷靜d...


Author:
過路人
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Date Posted: 07:51:49 04/26/03 Sat
>If 和平 means do not allow others to have opposition
>view and to exercise freedom of speech, it is like a
>dictorship. Under the rule of a dictator who often
>claims he or she is representing the "more people"
>view, those against he or she will be killed. There is
>many examples in history. We ought to learn lesson
>from them.

和平o既九濟堂即係指同學能夠心平氣和地發表自己不同o既意見,互相討論,而唔係互相指責,挑撥離間,更加唔係禁止同學發表某些不同見解,呢度係唔會鎮壓''異見人士''o既,你可以絕對放心.

>If you say you want 百花齊放, why I am not allowed to
>say whatever I want to? You are self-contradictory.

九濟堂歡迎任何人留言,發表意見,但必須要客氣一點,留意自己o既措詞同語氣,唔好成日話人冇points,叫人shut up等等,我地係讀書人,講野唔好成個爛仔咁.

>扮演做濟民喉舌既角色 is good, but do you think only
>you or your class are sfx students? Are you saying you
>are the only one who can represent the view of all SFX
>students?

你o既中文真係唔係咁好,7b28係話九濟堂扮演做濟民喉舌既角色,並唔係話佢自己或者佢o個班,請你留心d睇個post,消化完先reply. Logic係重要,不過Languages(中文同英文)都好重要嫁.

>All SFX students, be careful.

你有心啦,同學們真係要小心非典型肺炎啊...
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 冷靜d...


Author:
路人乙
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Date Posted: 07:53:53 04/26/03 Sat
>>If 和平 means do not allow others to have opposition
>>view and to exercise freedom of speech, it is like a
>>dictorship. Under the rule of a dictator who often
>>claims he or she is representing the "more people"
>>view, those against he or she will be killed. There is
>>many examples in history. We ought to learn lesson
>>from them.
>
>和平o既九濟堂即係指同學能夠心平氣和地發表自己不同o既意見,互相討論,而唔係互相指責,挑撥離間,更加唔係禁止同學發表
>某些不同見解,呢度係唔會鎮壓''異見人士''o既,你可以絕對放
>心.
>
>>If you say you want 百花齊放, why I am not allowed to
>>say whatever I want to? You are self-contradictory.
>
>九濟堂歡迎任何人留言,發表意見,但必須要客氣一點,留意自己
>o既措詞同語氣,唔好成日話人冇points,叫人shut
>up等等,我地係讀書人,講野唔好成個爛仔咁.
>
>>扮演做濟民喉舌既角色 is good, but do you think only
>>you or your class are sfx students? Are you saying you
>>are the only one who can represent the view of all SFX
>>students?
>
>你o既中文真係唔係咁好,7b28係話九濟堂扮演做濟民喉舌既角色,並唔係話佢自己或者佢o個班,請你留心d睇個post,消化完先r
>eply. Logic係重要,不過Languages(中文同英文)都好重要嫁.
>
>>All SFX students, be careful.
>
>你有心啦,同學們真係要小心非典型肺炎啊...
[> Subject: Do you have any principle as a person?


Author:
Summer
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Date Posted: 05:35:04 04/26/03 Sat
There is no use to make a simple principle so complicated. Please read my answer to a student again:
>不如這樣說會比較直接
>美國人眼中, 伊拉克統治者獨裁, 為救伊民於水深火熱之中,
>應打
>在伊拉克人眼中, 美國人是為石油這舊肥肉而衝?來的野狼,
>應抗
>那麼, 支持解放者的美軍是正義,
>還是支持民族捍衛者的共和國衛隊是正義?
As I said, what we know in HK is only based on information from the media.It may not be true. When you said something like"在伊拉克人眼中, 美國人是為石油這舊肥肉而衝?來的野狼", you are making your own judgement with no statistic to support. If I were you, I won't make such conclusion.
So what I said is: we must have enough true information before we can make decision.
But still there is a principle. For example, though the Chinese revolution led by Suen Chung San is a wrong thing from the view of the Ching Dynasty, and the revolution also killed a lot of people, we can still say Suen Chung San is doing the right thing. Can you see the principle?
That is why I can still say to support a horse in gambling is wrong, to have extra-marital affairs is wrong..etc, etc.
If you challenge this simple principle, there will be no right and wrong in this world. This will be a terrible world.

P.S.
So if you come across someone, especially teachers, who always say that there is no right or wrong in everything, think twice and be careful. Ask yourself what kind of principle is he or she teaches to students.
[> [> Subject: Goodbye, Summer


Author:
Spring, autumn & winter
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Date Posted: 06:17:07 04/26/03 Sat
Spring, summer, autumn and winter are four season in a year. But the three brothers feel ashame of him. So, goodbye, Summer. 好自為知la, brother!
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 欲窮千里目?


Author:
獨眼龍
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Date Posted: 09:21:11 04/26/03 Sat
從你們這話開始吧:
“講開公仔佬，佢今次真係無辜辜，無啦啦走黎搭訕。其實，我地覺得佢只係想出黎扮下中立，提醒下我地注意發言既態度同禮貌，多從不同角度思考問題，不要把自己的說話當做真理，講真佢講既野有mud唔妥？”

公sir「出黎扮下中立」並非道德上唔妥,而且可能係基於好心,但好心是一件事,佢認為世事難分對錯這觀點是不妥的,與道德無關的事當然 “難”分對錯因為無對錯可分,但關乎道德的問題怎會難分對錯呢? 我和summer不同意他這觀點並不等於對他不敬,你們真是誤天下之大會! 你們欣賞公sir盡責教學等優點,很好,相信summer也欣賞,事實上, summer以前在九濟堂的的留言曾經不止一次地贊成公sir一些合理的意見, (請你們自己翻查,我懶得代勞了),可見summer 是一個凡事講理的人,當今趨炎附勢的商業社會, 不怕萬人誤會指責堅持道德信念的人真是鳳毛麟角,此所以是我獨眼龍敬重summer之一處; 你們卻群起向他筆伐責罵,卻都是誇大和不相干的謾罵 (例如這句”: “公sir比Summer鬧到PK，話佢講野無point屎、討好壞學生、枉為德育老師、影衰濟記、叫佢收皮。”), 反之summer卻極少以謾罵式的惡毒的字眼回敬你們,誰是誰非,直在其中矣.
你們欣賞公sir的優點但卻看不見他某些觀點的錯謬(不全是道德上的錯),是你們有待改進的地方,也許這才是你們今次上九濟堂的最大收穫;欲窮千里目?訓練自己做個講理的人吧.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Single-eye Dragon, you have made a good analysis!


Author:
Summer
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Date Posted: 22:16:46 04/26/03 Sat
I think your Chinese is good and you write very clearly with good points. Long live reasons!
[> [> Subject: 純綷個人感覺，不需要你所謂的統計吧！


Author:
人一個
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Date Posted: 10:59:11 04/26/03 Sat
睇完你o既留言之後，一個字形容我o既感覺，嘔！
睇完你o既留言之後，一個字形容我對你o既感覺，狗！
睇完你o既留言之後，一個字形容我對你o既忠告，走！
[> [> [> Subject: 以上是對於獨眼龍的感覺


Author:
人一個
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Date Posted: 11:01:56 04/26/03 Sat
[> [> [> Subject: Don't just scold with no point


Author:
Summer
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Date Posted: 22:11:25 04/26/03 Sat
If you still continue to scold without a single point in it, you continue to show you are uneducated.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Summer is WELL-educated?


Author:
7B someone
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Date Posted: 23:05:08 04/26/03 Sat
>If you still continue to scold without a single point
>in it, you continue to show you are uneducated.

From this, i can say u are not educated.
Even the teachers can't judge a student is uneducated.
[> [> [> [> Subject: 多如


Author:
人一個
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Date Posted: 09:12:10 04/27/03 Sun
我係unedcated？你憑乜野咁話我？
以係下取錄自Summer回應公仔佬﹙龔Sir﹚o既一句留言：「you should keep your mouth shut.」
一個學生用咁強硬o既話氣同一個老師講野，咁算唔算uneducated？你唔好回應我呀，你實係話唔算嫁，仲要用埋o的係人都知係o岩o既事實，但係又同主題無關o既所謂「reasons」去support你o既意見。
[> Subject: Re: 兄弟們，大功告成，收Band喇！（上）


Author:
水水
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Date Posted: 09:31:41 04/26/03 Sat
我又寫>___<"
>請先看看以下的資料：
以偏概全=蘋果日報,罷睇,公仔佬,聖芳濟,聖母昆仲會
=.=^
[> Subject: 請不要亂叫'兄弟'....,我地冇諗過攪寸過場


Author:
Leung Kit Ho 7B17
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Date Posted: 11:46:48 04/26/03 Sat
雖然7b班整體上係團結,好fd

但係正所謂樹大有枯枝...
有的野咪亂認
受唔起

我地冇諗過攪寸個場,請不要亂作...
[> Subject: Re: 兄弟們，大功告成，收Band喇！（上）


Author:
WongKiCheong(7b26)
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Date Posted: 12:19:13 04/26/03 Sat
don't use other's identity plaese~~
[> Subject: 罵啦,繼續罵啦,好野,又有大龍鳳睇啦......................................


Author:
由做戲到而家睇戲既...........都係唔估啦.............
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Date Posted: 08:15:19 04/27/03 Sun
睇完之後,覺得7b既師兄同公佬真係枉作好人啦,咩叫以怨報德,狼心當狗吠,都頗為見識到;若有錯既,先唔好反擊住,睇埋落去先。
諗到之前既我,其實都係人云亦云,一直想扮正義,不過今日我知道係錯架啦,正義值幾多錢,良心又幾貴呀,行俠仗義?又唔係做戲,真係白痴先信架咋,,好似我呢d人講正義簡直就係侮辱左呢兩個字,絕對係拾人牙慧,次次想幫人點知反而愈幫愈忙,仲俾人話我係『主fuck派』添,哈哈哈,果次幫王君堯,點知佢就話我好幫佢,令到d同學更憎佢,我無憎到佢,我有檢討係我既錯咩??究竟係邊個挑起佢唔知,所以梗係搵個低能既傻仔去賴(君堯,你千祈唔好唔開心住先,呢d只係我既感覺ja)俾我實憎死條傻仔,但係你無,你絕對唔係一個小人,但係我呢,我係咩,好人,壞人?白道,黑道定係無間道?都唔係,我係灰道,就好似李商隱咁,但係我無佢既才華。
先希望公sir睇完之後唔好嬲,你同我講過『求仁得仁』,我想害君堯,結果搞到佢而家都俾人排斥既話,而令佢憎我既話,我就係『求仁得仁』,但係我想幫佢,佢都係憎我,就會唔會係我既問題,到今日,我想你大概明白我當天心情,惟一唔同既係你無報復而我有,我有中傷佢因為確實學唔到公sir你既風度,若果連公sir既品德都算低既話,咁我就真係豬狗不如啦,但係咁多位係度話人反擊既同學又算係咩呀,我人生閱歷淺,但勉強尚能明辨是非,若公sir無做教師既資格既話,恐怕就只有孔子一個勉強有資格做老師罷了,公sir若然想濟記衰,佢又點會係濟記讀完又入番黎教,又點會咁踴躍係度留言,係度俾人話,佢唔通淨係返學教書就無錢收,佢專登要吃力不討好嗎...大家反省啦.......

以上既全部係我既心底話,大家岩睇既就睇啦,唔岩睇就罵啦!!!!
公sir,我向你致敬,你博學多才都唔去參加果個咩世界杯,我又有咩資格參加!!!!
[> [> Subject: 唔留又留


Author:
公仔佬
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Date Posted: 10:19:26 04/27/03 Sun
這位唔知點稱呼的兄台：

只要你清楚知道自己在做什麼，為什麼這樣做，如何做，便已是成功的第一步。至於效果不理想，那也有一些謀事在人，成事在天的因素。

現在教改的其中一個重點，是多看重一些process，少看一些output；不論是評估一個學生還是評估一所學校。孔子也曾經說過：「有不虞之譽，有求全之毀。」世間上有太多始料不及的事了。

至於君堯，他是一位好學生，只是為人有一些執著而已。只要你好好的跟他說說，你們很快便會成為好朋友的。（不要亂為好朋友加添其他的意義啊。）
[> Subject: logic~~~COOL


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 10:09:36 04/27/03 Sun
我之前果dpost咩都唔知,止對自己有興趣既發表
之前所云
支持 = 關注、欣賞、祝福、吶喊、係屋企睇電視、入馬場參觀、下小注、下大注……
濟濟精神 = 一隻馬、老校友的愛校愛師的精神、濟記的投射、賭博的工具……


以上云云,只是大概念詞包含既小概念,由於並不是"定義"故當然不能蓋全....
但係,如果話
男人=有完整jj的
上面就可以同全等符號,而從此我們亦可以引申
河利秀不等於男人
太監不是男人
蔡俊步=男人,公仔佬好有可能都係...etc
(p.s.什麼是完整的jj可再定義)以下係公孫龍子白馬非馬既推論
"馬者所以介形也,白者所以命色也,命形者非命色也,故白馬非馬"


然,"之所以命形"的意思,旨在定義上的條件是在"形"方面,另一說法就是"色"方面並不是定義上的條件,即是說任何顏色,只要符合形的條件,就是馬

而"白"是命色,非命形,故 "白" 非 "馬",是對的 不過 白馬 是 馬,馬的大概念上包括白馬

然,白馬非馬..."非"一字有概念上的可變性,如從非一詞的相反"是"中,就會淺易一點
"是"一詞,可以是全等,亦可以指單方向的包含

故"白馬是馬",是指馬的大概念包含白馬

而白馬非馬,係特定情況下是對的
如"非"一詞是指:
白馬和馬一詞不是全等
另一說法就可以說成:馬的定義不是白馬,白馬的定義不是馬
才通.

了解詞意可變性(即是說...中文字的定義...同一個字...社會上成日有唔同定義,而人們多因此而令自己混淆而出現詭辯),很多看起來粉神奇的推論,就不會變得神奇了

天龍八部 第十九章
喬峰揮拳拆格，朗聲說道：“你們說我是契丹人，那麼喬三槐老公公和老婆婆，便不是我的父母了。莫說這兩位老人家我生平敬愛有加，絕無加害之意，就算是我殺的，又怎能加我‘殺父、殺母’的罪名？"

父母=生你果對男女
另外
父母=你認佢地係而你又認佢地係(如果話養你既,住政府孤兒院孤兒就要叫晒所有納稅人做父母)

係呢度,喬峰用左一字多義換轉概念先至會講到好似通......連自己都混淆埋,.....然張兩種不同定義的"父母"換上不同詞以滋分別,就唔會覺有咩神奇了
[> [> Subject: 進步果然有進步


Author:
7B5
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Date Posted: 11:05:14 04/27/03 Sun
12月0個陣你解才德誰熟輕重，真係聽到我一頭霧水，因為你用d理論太深。
今次解大概念詞包含0既小概念，真係解得好明，有進步(扮扮老資格先)，可能呢個概念較淺
sorry公仔佬！f.6你教的諸子百家思想已所淨無幾，名家的更忘記得一乾二淨，所以而家進步的解釋令我感到好新鮮
[> [> Subject: Re: logic~~~COOL


Author:
7b7
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Date Posted: 11:32:33 04/27/03 Sun
進步講得好好,呢d先係logic嘛.讚. ^_^ b
[> [> Subject: 搭訕..


Author:
Leung Kit Ho 7B17
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Date Posted: 13:29:36 04/27/03 Sun
一提logic
我又諗起summer....

唉...

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