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Subject: Re: If the forum gets out of hand...deletion?

Author:
Paul

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Date Posted: 03:04:51 09/14/05 Wed
In reply to: Tom 's message, "Re: If the forum gets out of hand...deletion?" on 23:45:28 09/13/05 Tue

>>Like satan was in gods presence when he was
>>entertaining god by tormenting job?
>
>We do know that Satan and the Lord spoke to each
>other, just as God spoke with Moses who was also a
>sinner. And we also know that Jesus was, of course,
>in the presence of sin on Earth. We also know that
>God will be in the presence of all sinful men on the
>day of judgement.

If god is omnipresent, hes always in the presence of sin.

>But it is in heaven that sin cannot
>exist.

Well satan showed that wasn't the case.

>>And his son was meant to be god himself, an
>>infinite being, you're trying to limit the
>>infinite by throwing in "excruciating physical
>>torment". Whats the pain threshold for the
>>infinite?
>
>Jesus was a man on Earth. He had all of the same
>organs and tissue as any other man.

Where does the bible say this? Did they do an autopsy on him back then?

>He suffered the
>same pain as any other man in his physical condition.
>He could have divinely lessened the pain, but that was
>not His Father's will, and so he suffered the full
>torment of crucifixion.

Sorry, where does the bible state he had to suffer along with dying?

>But what it must feel like to
>bear the sins of the world is beyond the limits of our
>knowledge. Jesus did it.

Man-gods tend to do amazing things.

>>So if I ever somehow end up in heaven...
>
>Paul, you now know what it will take to enter heaven.
>The information has been presented to you. It's up to
>you whether you'll choose to look into it further with
>an open heart, or willingly ignore it. I went from
>being a skeptic to becoming a believer because I chose
>not to be willingly ignorant of the messge of eternal
>life. As soon as I opened my heart to God's word, the
>Holy Sprit stepped in, and so many things I did not
>understand before became clear to me. Two years
>later, I can only look back in awe at how far I've
>come in the knowledge of the Lord.

Since waking up from christianity it would be hard to throw out all logic and limit my mind once again. For me the "smoke and mirrors" didn't last forever, and the popular answer "god did it" became a poor excuse.

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Subject	Author	Date
Re: If the forum gets out of hand...deletion?	Tom	21:32:53 09/14/05 Wed
Re: If the forum gets out of hand...deletion? -- Paul, 03:08:17 09/15/05 Thu Re: If the forum gets out of hand...deletion? -- Tom, 09:29:00 09/16/05 Fri Re: If the forum gets out of hand...deletion? -- Paul, 12:47:17 09/16/05 Fri