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Subject: Re: importance of the 9:00 3km high school runner


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Date Posted: 17:56:50 03/14/01 Wed
In reply to: 56.4 's message, "Re: importance of the 9:00 3km high school runner" on 14:59:51 03/14/01 Wed

You are a dork...capable with 4 hard years of work yes. The way most of the names you put on this list approach the sport, NO WAY !!!



>I said CAPABLE of finishing top 6o. I believe you
>forgot to include Mccomb AND Mazzotta to the list( i
>could be wrong). And these 2 runner have not broken
>14 or 30.
>
>UBC-miline,wood
>alberta-norminton
>sask-epp
>manitoba-booth,thrift
>windsor-hahn,mackensie
>guelph-bendo,murphy,colaset
>sherbrook-bourque
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>Every Canadian school does not have a kid that can
>>finish in the top 60 in the D1 meet. This is a
>>statement that might make us feel better about
>>ourselves but it is not true. This year only, Murry
>>Link, Steve Bohan, Ryan Hayden and maybe Marc
>>Striowski actually got this done. There best times on
>>the track last year were: Link 13.50
>> Bohan 29.04
>> Hayden 3.42
>> Marc 29.54
>>There is not even 15 athletes in All of Canada that
>>hit these times last year.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>It is obvious that some coaches do a much better job
>>>of recruiting. But with out scholarships to offer it
>>>is difficult to recruit out of province.
>>>
>>>I really don't believe coaches are all that different
>>>in motivating their athletes to reach their
>potential.
>>> Virtually every canadian university has a distance
>>>runner that is capable of place top 60 at d1 xc cc.
>>>And most of these guys were only 8:50 types in hs.
>>>
>>>
>>>Why would an athlete compete under a coach that did
>>>not meet their needs??? As a result many athletes
>>>have the option of choosing which coach best meets
>>>their needs(as far as i know many universities allow
>>>atheletes to continue training under their club
>>coach).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Give me a break. A coach can only go as far as
>>>>>providing a program for their athletes. The rest
>is
>>>>>up to the runner. It is ridiculous comparing the
>>>ciau
>>>>>and ncaa. For the most part the mentality of a
>>10:00
>>>>>2 miler competing for a canadian as opposed to an
>>>>>american team are very different. For example at
>>the
>>>>>ci level this athlete would be a counter in xc. At
>>>>>ncaa this athlete would not even race, and would
>>>>>ultimately be under great preassure to improve. I
>>>>>also suspect a 10:00 2 miler at the ncaa level
>would
>>>>>have a greater desire to comitt himself to
>>improving,
>>>>>as opposed to a ciau runner who is an average
>runner
>>>>>on the team(far less preasasure). my 2 cents.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>A coach can only go as far as providing a program
>>for
>>>>his athlete? I believe there is alot more to being
>a
>>>>(good)coach than just writing a program and
>expecting
>>>>the athlete to improve. The coach has to show
>>interest
>>>>in his athlete, talk to him privatly about goals,
>how
>>>>the body is adapting to the training and make
>>>>appropriate adjustments. The coach has the ability
>to
>>>>inspire his athletes to reach for bigger and better
>>>>things to want to improve and not to be satisfied as
>>a
>>>>15:00 minute 5k runner.
>>>> I ask why is it that the coaches at home who are
>>>>completly involved with their athletes and have
>taken
>>>>the approch that their kids can do what ever their
>>>>peers are doing in the US, are the coaches with teh
>>>>most sucess right now? These coaches have their
>>>>athletes beleiving they can run competitive times,
>>>>believing that it is not fine just to be average.
>>>>The coach has to take some of accountabilty for what
>>>>his athletes are achieving or not achieving.
>>>> A 9 minute kid at home who has a coach who is truly
>>>>commited to developing his athlete has many of the
>>>>same advantages a 10 minute 2 miler from the US has,
>>>>there is a drastic improvement curve for such a
>>runner
>>>>in the proper enviornment be it Canada or the US.
>>>>Unless you think the american kid is more talented
>>>>than the canadian kid and I definalty don't think
>so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>you are completly right! 9 minute 3k kids might not
>>>>>>seem like anything special when compared to the
>>8:30
>>>>>>kids but they sure can develop into something.
>>>>>>Cutting these kids instead of working their asses
>>>off
>>>>>>is definalty the wrong approach. I've seen these
>>>kids
>>>>>>do some impressive things. Here at WVU we've had a
>>>>lot
>>>>>>of walk on kids at around the 10 minute 2 mile
>>(over
>>>>>>9:00 3000m) out of high school, who our coach has
>>>>>>worked hard with every day. These kids worke just
>>>as
>>>>>>hard as everyone else and the results they have
>>>>>>produced are very important to our team. We have a
>>>>kid
>>>>>>who ran over 10 minutes in high school, he came
>>here
>>>>>>his freshmen year worked hard and two years later
>>>ran
>>>>>>14:40's another kid ran 8:29 3000m his freshmen
>>>>indoor
>>>>>>year and only ran 9:50's 2 mile in high school.
>>>>>>The 9 minute kids at home can do this and should
>be
>>>>>>doing this, if the coach is paying as much
>>>attention
>>>>>>to them as he is his faster kids. It's all about
>>>>>>progression in this sport and some kids take a
>>>little
>>>>>>longer to catch up.
>>>>>>Think what a 6th or 7th man at 14:40's for 5000m
>>>>could
>>>>>>do at the CAIU level

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