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Date Posted: Thu, Apr 22 2004, 18:32:50
Author: MKIceman
Subject: Re: And this is called backpedaling, folks.
In reply to: Tilly 's message, "Re: And this is called backpedaling, folks." on Thu, Apr 22 2004, 18:16:52

>And as I specified, I was talking about *your*
>comments on it. This one: " In the meantime, I'll say
>that I find it disturbing that there are fans of
>criminals. In fact, that is how more serial killers --
>especially copycats -- are born." Remember? Me
>saying, "Uhh, thi sis fiction, those criminals are not
>real?" That's pretty much my entire point.

Okay. My comment was to qualify why I thought it was disturbing, since I don't like to state opinions without giving reasons.

>That, and your insistance that Heywood must "do
>something" to stop people from "obssessing" over him.
>My points: First of all, he shouldn't have to and
>second, he actually did ask people to stop. You kinda
>ignored those and went on with your preaching about
>other things.

Again, that was not and is not the crux of my argument. But, to address this point, I did notice some gentle requests for it to stop, but the vast majority of it was left unchecked.

>>I disagree with mocking a fandom or fans, despite my
>>perceptions of the disturbing nature of some fandoms,
>>but I do agree that it's hypocritical to be an active
>>member of a fandom yet berate fellow fans of
>>committing the same mistakes.
>
>I'm not sure which "same mistakes" you're going on
>about here. You can't cite an example--okay, that's
>fine, it's a big GAFF board. But you seem to keep
>bringing this up, so you must have *some* reason?
>Something to back it up? Because we're not mocking the
>writing of fics, we're mocking BADfics. Lots of is are
>fic writers, I've written loads of them. Is it badfic?
>Dunno. I hope not, but having enjoyed writing the
>stories, I'm not the best judge of whether or not they
>outright suck. So I'm wondering which fics of GAFFers
>got you going about this, and what you think is
>hypocritical about any of it.

In that comment, I wasn't referring to any GAFFer since I don't know of any GAFFer that does that. Former GAFFer seems to know, but I do not. Thus, I was referring to what can be considered hypocritical from a conceptual standpoint, not with a practical basis, in the off-chance that it can be applied practically.

>>Unfortunately, I don't, and I apologize for not having
>>one. I was commenting from a conceptual standpoint.
>>I'm not certain if Former GAFFer was commenting
>>conceptually or practically (i.e., if she had one or
>>several specific people in mind). Because of that
>>uncertainty, I left my comments in the conceptual
>>realm.
>
>In other words, pointless?

See above. Contrary to the tone of some of my posts, it is not my goal to criticize on a continual basis. I offer such conceptual discussions in the hopes of constructive solutions (e.g., "this is the problem, now how do we avoid it?" or "this is the problem, this is how we avoid it").

>Of course not, because it seems that you're only going
>to look for things that make *you* look good. Uhh,
>your little "HEY I WAS JOKING!" thing with Heywood?
>So, you're allowed to joke and everyone's supposed to
>automatically know your motives, but the old, old in
>joke about my anatomy (which, by the way, I didn't
>even start,) just isn't obvious enough for you?
>Okay....

Make me look good? On an Internet board? I'm not sure if that's even possible.

Since I cannot comment further on the anatomical joke, I will address your point about the alleged Heywood joke: I never stated it was a joke, and I clearly stated in that "gaffy Trek fic" thread that it was not intended to be a joke. In fact, I even clearly stated what it was in that thread, where it was first said: it was a criticism of obsessive fans.

--Matt

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