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Date Posted: Thu, Apr 22 2004, 18:16:52
Author: Tilly
Subject: Re: And this is called backpedaling, folks.
In reply to: MKIceman 's message, "Re: And this is called backpedaling, folks." on Thu, Apr 22 2004, 17:55:25

>>You were talking about the people on GAFF being into
>>Nghtmare on Elm Street fandom, that's how this
>>started. Remember?
>
>No, Former GAFFer brought that up, and I elaborated.

And as I specified, I was talking about *your* comments on it. This one: " In the meantime, I'll say that I find it disturbing that there are fans of criminals. In fact, that is how more serial killers -- especially copycats -- are born." Remember? Me saying, "Uhh, thi sis fiction, those criminals are not real?" That's pretty much my entire point.

That, and your insistance that Heywood must "do something" to stop people from "obssessing" over him. My points: First of all, he shouldn't have to and second, he actually did ask people to stop. You kinda ignored those and went on with your preaching about other things.

>I disagree with mocking a fandom or fans, despite my
>perceptions of the disturbing nature of some fandoms,
>but I do agree that it's hypocritical to be an active
>member of a fandom yet berate fellow fans of
>committing the same mistakes.

I'm not sure which "same mistakes" you're going on about here. You can't cite an example--okay, that's fine, it's a big GAFF board. But you seem to keep bringing this up, so you must have *some* reason? Something to back it up? Because we're not mocking the writing of fics, we're mocking BADfics. Lots of is are fic writers, I've written loads of them. Is it badfic? Dunno. I hope not, but having enjoyed writing the stories, I'm not the best judge of whether or not they outright suck. So I'm wondering which fics of GAFFers got you going about this, and what you think is hypocritical about any of it.

>Unfortunately, I don't, and I apologize for not having
>one. I was commenting from a conceptual standpoint.
>I'm not certain if Former GAFFer was commenting
>conceptually or practically (i.e., if she had one or
>several specific people in mind). Because of that
>uncertainty, I left my comments in the conceptual
>realm.

In other words, pointless?

>Indeed, which is why I have always disagreed with
>mocking the fans and the fandoms, no matter how much I
>might personally disagree with their beliefs. I think
>you might have my stance on the issue confused with
>Former GAFFer's,


>I find it interesting that some -- primarily the
>participants or perceived recipients of the
>discussions -- find my tone pedantic and
>condescending, while others -- primarily those
>uninvolved in the discussions but who follow them
>closely -- do not.

Okay...good.

>Thank you for the clarification. :) I found it
>difficult to perceive repetitions of the private joke,
>made in public fora, as a private joke and not a
>public display of arrogance over others' captivation
>with you, no matter how ill-founded that may be
>according to you, as you attest with your statement
>about lack of cleavage and "how you use it" mattering
>more than size (i.e., comment made on the InvisionFree
>board). Yet my perception did not compel me to call
>you pompous at any time, until you made that comment
>about me. I shall endeavor to distinguish such
>private jokes, made in public fora, from commentaries
>on ego, but I cannot guarantee much success.

Of course not, because it seems that you're only going to look for things that make *you* look good. Uhh, your little "HEY I WAS JOKING!" thing with Heywood? So, you're allowed to joke and everyone's supposed to automatically know your motives, but the old, old in joke about my anatomy (which, by the way, I didn't even start,) just isn't obvious enough for you? Okay....

~~T

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