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Date Posted: 19:41:25 03/30/03 Sun
Author: Keith's message & Brenda's response
Subject:

SARS

各位伉儷會的朋友：

相信我們會內許多人都明白 - 恐懼如沒有透過正確的渠道而得到宣洩、處理，則心魔不滅！

男子漢當然也可以恐懼！

上主的作為是奇妙的！醒悟祈禱吧！

小女人 Brenda

-------Original Message-------

From: ccsl_news-owner@yahoogroups.com
Date: 2003年03月30日 AM 09:22:07
To: CCSL News
Subject: 病魔不及心魔險！

各位伉儷會的男子漢：

聞悉下週之鐵漢龍門陣要改期，真感可惜！

連男兒大丈夫也被非典型肺炎嚇阻，不能成

局，夫復何言！

本來，親子歷奇的夜行節目，因SARS而有所

改動，變成「非典型夜行」，我已覺得不大

舒服，感到有點杯弓蛇影的味道，但大家如此

決定，我也不好太過堅持，可是最後連「非

典型夜行」也無得行，我真的很是失望！

各位當家人，請留意，我不是要怪責任何人，

事關人人如此惶恐，我也知道當家者難為！

不過，小弟愚魯，我私下的一點淺見認為，這

SARS不過是小小的一陣風波，如果不是傳媒

大事渲染，加上香港人心虛怯，斷不會誇大

得有如世界未日一般！

試想想，明報、東方、蘋果，份份報章都每天

以近十版的篇幅，去描寫這種總共取去十條生

命的所謂「世紀絕症」，而全香港每日因各種

原故而去世的人本來就不下數百，相比之下，

這算什麼絕症！

報人不負責任，說什麼「香港病呆了」、「世

紀絕症肆虐香港」等等，簡直有失報人尊嚴，

十年之後，甚或只不過三兩年後，再重頭回望，

香港人定必對這段歷史，感到慚愧！

小弟這幾天的祈禱，不是求天主早日為香港掃

除病魔，而是懇請天父為香港人驅除心魔！

求天主賜予我們大家

主內的平安

子堅

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[> 病魔不及心魔險！ -- 子堅, 21:38:07 03/30/03 Sun

Hi, Brenda,

多謝你的回應，不過不好意思，我的電郵其實與男子漢無大關係，這個七仔只不過是在借題發揮，說的是香港男男女女現時的心魔，可能七仔這種迂迴曲折的寫法，你不大習慣，對不起，請再細心再看......

子堅

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[> 病魔不及心魔險！ -- Simon HO, 21:41:11 03/30/03 Sun

Keith,

I feel uncomfortable after knowing your attitude towards this disease. It is not a small crisis:

1) There is no effective medical way to treat the disease. Patient needs to suffer fever and hard of breathing.. It is a painful experience at the body level. One treatment is to inject vaccine extracted from recovered patient- But there will be a risk of taking other unknown illness from the original patients. More terrible, there is no enough this kind of vaccine as we only have limited no. of recovered patient. I know a father is dying at the hospitial (leaving infected wife and small children) because the lack of vaccine available.

2) There is high probability of death if the defective patient is not treated at the early stage.
3) It is highly contagious. See what happen at Amoy Garden.
4) ** There is a terrible damage to patient's psychology - The patient needs to stay alone at ICU - no contact with family members are allowed for 3 to 4 weeks. Suppose a little child (infant to 8 yrs) needs to face the death disease alone at ICU with the physical pain and without any connection with parents for a month, there will be serious psychological damage to his/her personality after his growth.

In family therapy, we call this IORM- Interrupted Out-Reaching Movement towards parent for person with trauma at child stage. There is hidden restless emotion at the person facing future stress.

5) Even after fully recovery, the lung's function is weak in future.

I hope I am not producing terror to you. I think our media is not producing the terror. We are exposing to death at this moment. If we cannot control the spreading , there will be not enough spaces at ICU, not enough doctors and nurses taking care of infected patients, there will be more dying of patients- they maybe the people we know.

We should be taking health precautions not just because for our own but for also the benefits of the people around us. I know some doctors ( working in hospitals and private clinic) chose to sleep away from home to avoid spreading the disease to their family members- avoid hugging wife, kids...

I will welcome if you will be forwarding my email to other members for a discussion as I may not be correct in all my viewpoints.

Simon HO

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[> [> 病魔不及心魔險！ -- Keith, 21:51:02 03/30/03 Sun

Hi, Simon, and all the others on the forum,

I would like to say a few words in response to Simon’s message below…..

>Keith,
>
>I feel uncomfortable after knowing your attitude towards this disease. It is not a small crisis:

Me too, it is my uncomfortable feeling towards the media and the collective paranoid that drive me to write about the “crisis” ….

>1) There is no effective medical way to treat the disease …
>2) There is high probability of death if the defective patient is not treated at the early stage.
>3) It is highly contagious. ……
>4) ** There is a terrible damage to patient's psychology …...
>5) Even after fully recovery, the xxx’s function is weak in future. …

All you have said about the disease is true……. As usual you are very precise about the fact…. But I am afraid you are not so on giving the disease its perspective it deserved…..

What you said about the SARS could be the description of so many diseases in the world that how can you single out just this one and let yourself be overwhelmed by its DARK IMAGE.

Look once again at the above FACTS that you mentioned, they are absolutely no different from hundreds of different diseases….

Even the common flu is incurable, the doctors are helpless towards so many diseases that if we have to be scared so for each of them, we would be left with no time to live our life.

>I hope I am not producing terror to you. I think our media is not producing the terror.
>We are exposing to death at this moment. If we cannot control the spreading ,
>there will be not enough spaces at ICU, not enough doctors and nurses taking care of infected patients,
>there will be more dying of patients- they maybe the people we know.

NO, you won’t produce any terror to me, I believe that “The one thing to fear is fear itself.”

And you think I am being so heartless because the dead so far are not someone that I know of! Well, believe whatever you want, it doesn’t matter…

To me, what matter most is that we people in HK are no longer the same courageous kind like our parents and grandparents….

The Cholera epidemic 40 years ago is a much bigger “crisis” but our parents faced it with courage and braveness that we should be ashamed of.,…

>We should be taking health precautions not just because for our own
>but for also the benefits of the people around us. I know some doctors
>( working in hospitals and private clinic) chose to sleep away from home
>to avoid spreading the disease to their family members- avoid hugging
>wife, kids...

Have I mentioned that no precautions should be made, esp. for those who are facing the diseases day in and day out ??

No, I don’t think I ever said that. It is the fear and paranoid that I am talking about.

>I will welcome if you will be forwarding my email to other members
>for a discussion as I may not be correct in all my viewpoints.

Oh, Simon, rest assured that your opinion was circulated amongst all fellow members…. Chee Seung has already made that happened.

Shalom
Keith

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[> 病魔不及心魔險！ -- Clemens SUEN, 21:43:03 03/30/03 Sun

Dear Keith,

I hope that my response is not going to be perceived as "watching fire from the other shore".

After the Y2K alarm a few years ago, I could not help thinking that it is so easy to scare people. Where is the perspective? Where is the discernment? And where is our faith?

Your email deserve my three cheers!

In Him,

Clemens

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Re: SARS -- Cannice Tam, 13:21:45 03/31/03 Mon

Yes, we should not be scare about this disease more than other equally frightening disease. But we should be scare the way we handle the disease. We are not putting the right measures in fighting it:

Take Amoy Garden as an example: we know residents at large are affected; till now we have no plan to examine all residents; till now there are no plan to address the helplessness of the residents...should they go to work, should they move to other place,...

I have a lot of respects for the doctors and nurses who are fighting with the diseases. However their effort need to be supported by other measures, like stopping visitors to hospitials, stopping media or others to intervene their work,..

We may not be in the position to design and implement those measures. In the least we should take care of our good self and help doctors, nurses and others not by catching disease. We should be courageous enough to wear on masks and follow other advices and be more considerate to stay home more to avoid the necessary activities.

One may joke about Y2K. But think about if no measures have been taken, would we have a quiet year?

Best regards,

Cannice

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[> [> 病魔不及心魔險！ -- Keith (子堅), 21:54:41 03/31/03 Mon

Hi, Cannice,

很高興你也同意，非典型肺炎並不比任何一種危疾更危險，
而對於這種病我們也不應比對其他病更為惶恐！

至於說我們應對政府處理這種病的手法，感到驚怕！……這點
我也不大同意……我們應感到憤怒，而不是恐懼！

很欣賞你的一句話，你說：「we should be courageous
enough to wear on masks」。對，我們應該勇敢地戴上面罩
以防感染，而不要得的是被嚇怕到不得不戴……更要不得的
是心膽俱破、不敢不戴，更四處強迫別人也非戴不可！

最後，請明白，Clemens並不是拿Y2K來開玩笑，而住在紐約
的他，說的也不是香港IT界對Y2K所做的種種工作，他所講的
是北美一帶對Y2K的恐慌，家家無地牢的挖地牢，有地牢的就
在地牢儲存食品、藥品、必需品，結果其後一兩年，餐餐罐頭、
朝朝奶粉，總是吃它不完！

在現實之內，恐懼是我們應該掌握分寸、切忌誇大的情緒！
在信仰之下，恐懼是我們可以藉助主恩、不難克服的障礙！

在此再次希望大家得到
主內的平安

子堅

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[> [> [> Re: 病魔不及心魔險！ -- 志常, 13:03:48 04/01/03 Tue

人們感到驚惶，就因為不能將驚怕、憤怒、恐懼的情緒分開，對不起，我不忍心再罵他們「要不得」，為此，上主求祢垂憐！

在整個事件由開始到現今，我沒有親自接觸到恐懼和驚惶失措的人士，雖然這樣的氣氛好像籠罩著社會；我親自接觸到的是謹慎、負責任而理性行動的朋友們。無論決定取消或繼續一個活動，都有他/她們的分析基礎。我不斷接到很多的慰問與關懷的電話，體會到面對危疾，互相關懷的安慰和重要（請看關懷天悅的電郵！）。為有一群肯負責任又對祢有所依靠的朋友在我身邊共同進退，上主，我感謝祢！

因著對祢的信靠，才能有一顆平常心，才能不被誇大的情緒所困擾，
上主，求祢賜我力量，學習掌握分寸，散發慈悲心！為此，上主求祢垂憐！

志常

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[> [> [> [> Re: 病魔不及心魔險！ -- Keith (子堅), 02:17:11 04/02/03 Wed

志常：

你無疑是幸運的，你有大批體恤人的會友，環繞在你的身邊，可以不去理會社會上的紛擾和混亂。

小弟不是要以先知自居，但昨天早上震盪香江的「疫埠」謠言和其後的「搶購米糧」行動，無疑側面證實了香港地，人心虛怯到什麼程度！

我一星期前所講的「心魔」，不是已現出身形，清楚站在大家的面前了嗎？

病痛肯定可以打敗我，打敗我的家人，但絕不能打敗全香港！

但謠諑紛紜、以訛傳訛、驚上加驚、恐而又恐，這一個又一個的「心魔」，卻絕對可以打敗打垮香港！

如果你的經驗，真能反映伉儷會的真實，我們的會友，真能擁有無畏無懼的態度，去面對逆境，那現在恐怕是我們不再獨善其身，把這種寶貴的情操，散發到全香港的時候了！

香港現時所缺的，是能振聾發啞的領袖，帶大家走出這「幽暗的心靈深谷」，有沒有想過，帶領你的一群朋友，去做多一點點！

一而再，再而三地祈求
願大家能得主內的平安

子堅

又：不過，志常，『要不得』只是意見，怎樣也算不上責罵！請對我慈悲一點！

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[> [> 病魔不及心魔險！ -- 宜意, 09:47:41 04/01/03 Tue

你說是一個小小的風波？也許是。但這風波涉及人命，我不會為我的子女投一個風險太大的賭注。因為我愛她們，我愛我的丈夫。
我也愛香港，我願意為大眾忍耐一點，例如帶口罩，因為我不知自己是否帶菌者，為他人為自己。
這一次我要多謝傳媒的報導，否則我會太輕視事件，疏於防範。我更感謝那些以生命為人服務的醫護人員，他們是主的光榮。

宜意謹上

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[> [> [> Re: 病魔不及心魔險！ -- Dorothy Cheng, 15:23:09 04/01/03 Tue

Hi SZE KEEN,

I agree with your words : FEAR let us near God, so whoever wear face mask or not, just depends on yr faith to do so. I think God will take care of our heart. The most important is to stay with our God.

Take care , all

dorothy

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[> [> [> [> Re: 病魔不及心魔險！(嘩！還是這個話題！) -- Keith (子堅), 01:12:21 04/02/03 Wed

Hi, Dorothy,

多謝你的支持，事實上我近日和不少伉儷會友好談話，他們都表示認同之意，但就是不願加入討論行列，可能倦於論戰吧！

在此不公開他們的名字了，以免跡近向他們施壓，要他們發表意見！

不過，剛過去的主日，聽見神父在彌撤中講道，說的道理幾和我如出一轍，我當時就有衝動，想在彌撤後問問神父，是否曾看見過我的「病魔不及心魔險」一文。

神父所說的不外乎是：在這挑戰之前，一切措施都是必要，但也是次要的。恐懼才是最大的敵人，恐懼是我們未能完全仰賴天主的徵狀，去除這障礙我們投靠天主的恐懼，才是當今最重要的課題！

當然，由神父來說，和由我來說，是兩碼子事，首先我是惹火人物，議題到我手中，自然帶有爭議性，其次現今仍是神職的世代，神職依然有其權威性！

不過，無論如何，我對大家的圍攻，絕無敵意。由頭至尾，憂慮大家為恐懼所籠罩，是我最為擔心之處，大家既然能化恐懼為對我的憤怒，那我也算對大家有點貢獻，是嗎？

由始至終都祈望大家得到
主內的平安

子堅

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: 病魔不及心魔險！(嘩！還是這個話題！) -- Dorothy Cheng, 10:42:30 04/02/03 Wed

Dear SZE Keen

Happy to got yr reply.

I do believe that everybody has the right & freedom to express their feelings and words. Moreover, no matter how " high ranking"/ powerful man saying, I think it is the same. Do you know that we have the wisdom from God ? For myself, I wd only listen the words is TRUTH, I don't believe the POWER, FAME of some people. I also critize those famous person's saying.

Therefore, be yourself, and express yr feelings. It is a good stimulus for us to think of the disease and our life. Life is a war, game & gift. Take it and feel it.

Yes, fear make us lose the way of life, especially for HongKongers who are always in well situation. This is a good lesson for us to understand and know the feeling of some citizens in other place.

Take heart and let go
Rgds
dorothy

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[> 肺炎仲勁過非典型肺炎 -- Alice Cheuk, 04:37:06 04/19/03 Sat

香港普通肺炎的死亡率是8%，
每年平均有37500人染病，一年死3000人，

即係平均每天102人中招，每天死成8個人咁多架。

原來一般肺炎恐怕過非典型果隻架，
非典型唔係咁恐怖！

請轉傳，等o地人唔使驚到有得震冇得啦！

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