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Date Posted: Friday, May 06, 11:47:31pm
Author: Lij
Author Host/IP: kntpin04-nas-01-s127.cinergycom.net / 216.135.24.127
Subject: The Day We Died.....

I cannot believe it! I actually had this called. I started thinking that way here.....

http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10287&page=3

And by here, I had the idea come to fruition, see the Fringe-Forum thread post #4 at:

http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10311
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TV Guide: Producers tackle those burning questions....

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Fringe-Finale-Scoop-1032739.aspx
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So, Peter created a "bridge" by fusing the machines together (if you notice, Peter was phasing into the Red!verse machine) and that bridge is then supposed to be a place where the two universes can interact and seek to heel both worlds. But in doing so..... Peter never existed? WHAT THE FRACK????!!!????!!!!???

I'm still trying to wrap my head around that.

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[> So is FRINGE saying 'god is dead?' -- Lij, Saturday, May 07, 01:35:04am (kntpin04-nas-01-s200.cinergycom.net/216.135.24.200)


The only thing wrong with this episode was that i could have gone on for that hour and a half or two hours.



Simiply put I like the ep because it makes me think. On three points....

First, because the entire season or the entirety of the first three seasons came to have meaning for me 4 days ago when I realized that the First People were a future us/Walter, etc. It was the only way one could logically explain things was with something of a paradox. And tonight that was given credence by Walter.

Second, the ending encourages even more thought. We had one "Do loop" going, the paradox that Walter had sent the machine back in time to be discovered (evidently a machine that Bell had designed and built). But now we have something new, Peter's decision to fuse a bridge (the machine room) between universes (as I believe he also fused the machines - he was phasing into the Red!verse machine as it happened) so that they may work in unison to protect and save each universe. The question is, is Peter's decision one that is fully nested within Walter's Do-loop. If it is, then the universes both eventually are destroyed - but it need not be that way. The machine may still get sent back in time but the universe need not be destroyed after it is sent back. So then Peter's gambit is most likely not nested at all. Which is to say Peter's gambit is the answer to Walter's Do-loop that spits one out of Walter's paradox. Or at least it can be the answer, as long as Walter and Walternate can work together.

Third, another paradox that must be understood. How can something that is necessary/served a purpose - that is, Peter, have never existed. Isn't that the ontological argument for a god, a necessary cause, thus it must exist? It is as if they are saying god is dead. And it sure makes one think...

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[> [> I doubt it -- Chani, Saturday, May 07, 08:13:16am (81-65-192-252.rev.numericable.fr/81.65.192.252)

given that Joshua Jackson is still under contact for a fourth season!

BTW I'm glad that the First Peaple thing didn't turn to be some bullshit but I'm concerned about the upcoming season and the way they're going to work out of the time travel paradox. J. J Abrams are never been very good at handly time travel...

Maybe they should learn from Doctor Who.

Now I'm wondering if Olivia is going to make up Peter back by remembering him.


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[> [> [> I know he is coming back.... the question is how. -- Lij, Saturday, May 07, 11:23:53am (kntpin04-nas-01-s157.cinergycom.net/216.135.24.157)

It could be he comes back as someone other than Peter.


Mr X?????? Nah.....

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[> A few answers to burning questions..... -- Lij, Saturday, May 07, 06:02:00am (kntpin04-nas-01-s233.cinergycom.net/216.135.24.233)


http://annatorvnews.com/2011/05/07/fringe-finale-producer-answer-some-burning-questions/


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[> Re: The Day We Died..... -- Chani, Saturday, May 07, 08:23:47am (81-65-192-252.rev.numericable.fr/81.65.192.252)

I really don't know how I feel about the episode. It was so uneven. Some parts were very cheap, others rather daring or intriguing, some worked for me and I enjoyed nice little touches ("Will Astrid be there?", "You are my dad", the can Steak and the table Wine; the references to Terminator), others did not work(Olivia's funeral for instance).
Also the Lost vibes annoy me more and more (especially that score) and make me fear that the mythology is going to be screwed up eventually here too, which sorta ruins my pleasure. :-(

I think that what I prefer about the show is its standalones like "The Plateau" and "Marionette". They provide a room for freedom, creativity and excellent writing.

Don't you think that the Observers looks like big birds who had just landed in front of the Statue?

Just one remark: when The Observers said "he never existed" we assume "he" meant Peter but I guess it could be another "he" too, couldn't it?


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[> [> It seemed rather obvious that the 'he' was Peter..... and about the title... -- Lij, Saturday, May 07, 11:38:47am (kntpin04-nas-01-s157.cinergycom.net/216.135.24.157)

The Day We Died.

I think the "We" could mean all of us in our universe. Peter destroyed the Red!verse and that would lead to the eventual annihilation of the Blue!verse.

But I think there is a greater meaning..... I think "We" is the romanitic relationship between Peter and Olivia. And because they do not remember him, their love has died.

I think to get that back will take more than a season 4, but I could be wrong. But it is certainly at the heart of what is to come. If she starts remembering him like she did in "The Plateau" I'm going to break down crying at every episode. That was so powerful a moment.
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I felt the disjoint nature of the episode also. By all rights the episode should have lasted an hour and a half or two hours. I've read that they had a lot more filmed and cut it down. So I sorta hope that they have a season 3 DVD/Blu-Ray with an extended season 3, "The Day We Died" episode.


LOL... the Observers do strike a funky pose!

And if there has been a time loop started by Walter sending back the machine and certain Fringe people to become the First People, then what have the Observers been doing during all those time loops - however many occurred... thousand... millions? What was their purpose? Hmm....

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[> [> [> They are us ! -- Chani, Saturday, May 07, 01:32:14pm (81-65-192-252.rev.numericable.fr/81.65.192.252)

I mean, The Observers, obviously!

So I guess that their purpose is entertainment! ;- )

Or maybe, they are just a metaphor of the writers who see it all, write off some characters or save them according to their will.


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[> [> [> [> Re: They are us ! -- Lij, Saturday, May 07, 08:17:18pm (kntpin04-nas-01-s203.cinergycom.net/216.135.24.203)

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee............ I hope more they represent something more than that. Afterall, the Observers are for the most part emotionless. Fringe has me being quite emotional about certain situations. Though in some situations I could see the point.


And about Peter:::

The thought just occurred to me that he might just be (return as) Peter. Most likely from the Red universe, but possibly also a Peter from the Blue universe. Thus one Peter and one AltPeter could even be extant. It's just that his histories are completely different amd in no way crossing that of Olivia.


This would still possibly stilll fit Septembers declaration that (this certain) Peter never existed and thus they have no memory of him. A Peter (or AltPeter) need not fit any of the history we as 'outside Observers' know of him. Though I am getting the feeling that AltPeter and Fauxlivia may have a son named Henry. And if no 'real Peter' exists (Blue!verse Peter) then we now have the consequences of Henry's existance coming to bear on what most of us consider to be the true and necessary romance of Fringe to be. Which is why I consider "The Day We Died" as the death of the romance between Olivia and Peter, thus "We," to be the true meaning of the episode's title.

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