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Date Posted: 08:12:12 09/01/05 Thu
In reply to:
Bootsy
's message, "Re: Just my two cents" on 22:13:58 08/31/05 Wed
>I'm guessing this is John from the band? This is
>getting better and better. Good to hear from you and
>just in case you are interested... my reply. Hope
>you'll read it, 'cause there's some good stuff too.
>
>>Here's how I feel in a nutshell: if everyone in the
>>world like d the same thing, it would be a BORING
>>f****n' world! A lesson I learned from my mother, a
>>moderately successful abstract expressionist visual
>>artist, is that NO art is good or bad. You either
>>like it, or you don't.
>
>True and I agree 100% I was raised by an artist as
>well.
>
>>As far as copying styles go, I consider it to be the
>>post-modern equivalent to oral tradition. Its easy to
>>render songs into chord changes, lyric, and melody,
>>(and btw only lyric and melody are copywriteable), but
>>to understand a musician or groups style takes a
>>pretty serious ear and is nearly impossible to
>>translate to a written form. I compare what we do in
>>DSO to what Old and in the Way did with bluegrass.
>>Many people think of bluegrass as a "traditional"
>>style, but it is actually Bill Monroe's (and to some
>>degree the Stanley Brothers' and Flatt and Skruggs')
>>style of folk music, derived itself from old-timey,
>>Irish, gospel, and blues styles. And while Old and in
>>the Way as a band only lasted year and half or so, the
>>record was the best selling bluegrass record of all
>>time untill "Oh, Brother, Where Art Thou" was released
>>a few years ago.
>
>I don't see the comparison between you guys and Old &
>In The Way. Sorry. I'm very familiar with the fact
>that Bluegrass was the creation of Bill Monroe and
>then spun off into the Flat & Skruggs, Stanley's etc.
>However, when Flat & Skruggs , the Stanley's etc
>played, they generally played all original material
>and basically helped to create the genre. This is
>kind of like comparing yourself to Little Richard,
>Chuck Berry and Carl Perkins. Did any one of them
>really create Rock 'n Roll? Yeah and honestly I'm not
>sure which one, (haha at least I'm honest), but just
>like Monroe, Stanley's and F&S they more or less
>created the genre together. While O&ITW played
>bluegrass standards in bluegrass style they stepped
>out of the basic solos and rocked them a little. It
>sounds like you're pretty familiar with Bluegrass so
>I'm sure that you'll agree with that. That being
>said, I don't see you guys doing the same thing with
>the Dead's music if that's the point you are trying to
>make and the comparison you are trying to draw. My
>friends feel the same way. As my good friend posted
>here and I'm paraphrasing...You guys are talented and
>you're playing fantastic music with incredible
>improvisational possibilities. Why not open the door
>and step out and explore them. If you think that you
>guys are taking the GD's music and doing with it what
>Jerry, Peter, Dawg, Kahn and Clemmens did with the
>Bluegrass standards I would have to say that is a bad
>rational. Jerry was not as good of a banjo picker as
>Earl Skruggs, but he didn't try to play his exact
>solos either.
>
>I really have no comment on the censorship thing. I
>was censored. Some people here washed the site of my
>response to Rob shortly after I posted it, by posting
>over and over until it was gone.
>
>John honestly I think you guys can play your asses
>off. I think you are real Dead Heads and I think you
>play from the heart. But I still think you guys take
>it WAY too far and the merchandising and setlist thing
>is still very Beatlmania to me. Sorry. If you guys
>want to take th Dead's music and do what Old & In The
>Way did then do that, but if you think you are doing
>that now, I think you need to step back and re-examine
>your approach. Just my 2 cents. Hopefully some of
>you will make it to th RatDog show at HOBAC
>
>>To Bootsy, Rob E, Cameron, and anyone participating in
>>the current flame war:
>>
>>Here's how I feel in a nutshell: if everyone in the
>>world like d the same thing, it would be a BORING
>>f****n' world! A lesson I learned from my mother, a
>>moderately successful abstract expressionist visual
>>artist, is that NO art is good or bad. You either
>>like it, or you don't.
>>
>>As far as copying styles go, I consider it to be the
>>post-modern equivalent to oral tradition. Its easy to
>>render songs into chord changes, lyric, and melody,
>>(and btw only lyric and melody are copywriteable), but
>>to understand a musician or groups style takes a
>>pretty serious ear and is nearly impossible to
>>translate to a written form. I compare what we do in
>>DSO to what Old and in the Way did with bluegrass.
>>Many people think of bluegrass as a "traditional"
>>style, but it is actually Bill Monroe's (and to some
>>degree the Stanley Brothers' and Flatt and Skruggs')
>>style of folk music, derived itself from old-timey,
>>Irish, gospel, and blues styles. And while Old and in
>>the Way as a band only lasted year and half or so, the
>>record was the best selling bluegrass record of all
>>time untill "Oh, Brother, Where Art Thou" was released
>>a few years ago.
>>
>>As far as censorship goes, shouting down a "troll" on
>>a discussion board is not censorship, although it is
>>playing right into the hands of the "troll."
>>Censorship would be if the site moderator just
>>deleted the offending post. Internet "newbies" (ie
>>anyone who first logged on after AOL added html and
>>the WWW to its offerings around '94-'95) would be well
>>served here to refresh their understanding of
>>"netiquette." Remember, folks, that e-mail, message
>>boards, irc, and ftp have been around since the 60's
>>actually, and tech-savvy Deadheads have been using
>>them since the early 80's (check the history of
>>Berkely's GD ftp site and the Whole Earth 'Lectronic
>>Link - the "WELL").
>>
>>Anyway, don't forget to have fun with it!
>>Peace,
>>John Kadlecik
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