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Date Posted: 22:13:58 08/31/05 Wed
In reply to:
John Kadlecik
's message, "Just my two cents" on 13:58:10 08/31/05 Wed
I'm guessing this is John from the band? This is getting better and better. Good to hear from you and just in case you are interested... my reply. Hope you'll read it, 'cause there's some good stuff too.
>Here's how I feel in a nutshell: if everyone in the
>world like d the same thing, it would be a BORING
>f****n' world! A lesson I learned from my mother, a
>moderately successful abstract expressionist visual
>artist, is that NO art is good or bad. You either
>like it, or you don't.
True and I agree 100% I was raised by an artist as well.
>As far as copying styles go, I consider it to be the
>post-modern equivalent to oral tradition. Its easy to
>render songs into chord changes, lyric, and melody,
>(and btw only lyric and melody are copywriteable), but
>to understand a musician or groups style takes a
>pretty serious ear and is nearly impossible to
>translate to a written form. I compare what we do in
>DSO to what Old and in the Way did with bluegrass.
>Many people think of bluegrass as a "traditional"
>style, but it is actually Bill Monroe's (and to some
>degree the Stanley Brothers' and Flatt and Skruggs')
>style of folk music, derived itself from old-timey,
>Irish, gospel, and blues styles. And while Old and in
>the Way as a band only lasted year and half or so, the
>record was the best selling bluegrass record of all
>time untill "Oh, Brother, Where Art Thou" was released
>a few years ago.
I don't see the comparison between you guys and Old & In The Way. Sorry. I'm very familiar with the fact that Bluegrass was the creation of Bill Monroe and then spun off into the Flat & Skruggs, Stanley's etc. However, when Flat & Skruggs , the Stanley's etc played, they generally played all original material and basically helped to create the genre. This is kind of like comparing yourself to Little Richard, Chuck Berry and Carl Perkins. Did any one of them really create Rock 'n Roll? Yeah and honestly I'm not sure which one, (haha at least I'm honest), but just like Monroe, Stanley's and F&S they more or less created the genre together. While O&ITW played bluegrass standards in bluegrass style they stepped out of the basic solos and rocked them a little. It sounds like you're pretty familiar with Bluegrass so I'm sure that you'll agree with that. That being said, I don't see you guys doing the same thing with the Dead's music if that's the point you are trying to make and the comparison you are trying to draw. My friends feel the same way. As my good friend posted here and I'm paraphrasing...You guys are talented and you're playing fantastic music with incredible improvisational possibilities. Why not open the door and step out and explore them. If you think that you guys are taking the GD's music and doing with it what Jerry, Peter, Dawg, Kahn and Clemmens did with the Bluegrass standards I would have to say that is a bad rational. Jerry was not as good of a banjo picker as Earl Skruggs, but he didn't try to play his exact solos either.
I really have no comment on the censorship thing. I was censored. Some people here washed the site of my response to Rob shortly after I posted it, by posting over and over until it was gone.
John honestly I think you guys can play your asses off. I think you are real Dead Heads and I think you play from the heart. But I still think you guys take it WAY too far and the merchandising and setlist thing is still very Beatlmania to me. Sorry. If you guys want to take th Dead's music and do what Old & In The Way did then do that, but if you think you are doing that now, I think you need to step back and re-examine your approach. Just my 2 cents. Hopefully some of you will make it to th RatDog show at HOBAC
>To Bootsy, Rob E, Cameron, and anyone participating in
>the current flame war:
>
>Here's how I feel in a nutshell: if everyone in the
>world like d the same thing, it would be a BORING
>f****n' world! A lesson I learned from my mother, a
>moderately successful abstract expressionist visual
>artist, is that NO art is good or bad. You either
>like it, or you don't.
>
>As far as copying styles go, I consider it to be the
>post-modern equivalent to oral tradition. Its easy to
>render songs into chord changes, lyric, and melody,
>(and btw only lyric and melody are copywriteable), but
>to understand a musician or groups style takes a
>pretty serious ear and is nearly impossible to
>translate to a written form. I compare what we do in
>DSO to what Old and in the Way did with bluegrass.
>Many people think of bluegrass as a "traditional"
>style, but it is actually Bill Monroe's (and to some
>degree the Stanley Brothers' and Flatt and Skruggs')
>style of folk music, derived itself from old-timey,
>Irish, gospel, and blues styles. And while Old and in
>the Way as a band only lasted year and half or so, the
>record was the best selling bluegrass record of all
>time untill "Oh, Brother, Where Art Thou" was released
>a few years ago.
>
>As far as censorship goes, shouting down a "troll" on
>a discussion board is not censorship, although it is
>playing right into the hands of the "troll."
>Censorship would be if the site moderator just
>deleted the offending post. Internet "newbies" (ie
>anyone who first logged on after AOL added html and
>the WWW to its offerings around '94-'95) would be well
>served here to refresh their understanding of
>"netiquette." Remember, folks, that e-mail, message
>boards, irc, and ftp have been around since the 60's
>actually, and tech-savvy Deadheads have been using
>them since the early 80's (check the history of
>Berkely's GD ftp site and the Whole Earth 'Lectronic
>Link - the "WELL").
>
>Anyway, don't forget to have fun with it!
>Peace,
>John Kadlecik
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