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Date Posted: 13:39:07 08/26/05 Fri
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Bootsy
's message, "Re: MY REPLY TO ROB" on 13:26:28 08/26/05 Fri
>>>As I write this response to Rob's reply I'm enjoying
>a
>>>bowl of Rocky Road ice cream, it sooths me like the
>>>violin soothed the monster. Just kidding, but it is
>>>really really good. I suggest you get some before
>>>reading this. Chocolate, Marshmellows and Almonds Oh
>>>My!
>>>
>>>Rob, I want to thank you once again for chiming in
>and
>>>I respect you for doing so. It takes guts and shows
>>>you are a decent guy. However, I don't agree with
>>>everything you've had to say and I'd like a chance to
>>>address your remarks if I may.
>>>
>>>First I'd like you and everyone else to know that I
>>>have had and still have dialogue via email with some
>>>people that are big fans of yours and although we see
>>>things differently we have managed to find a common
>>>ground where we can passionately disagree, yet still
>>>see where each other are coming from and even helped
>>>each other see things in a different light. Why is
>>>that so hard for everyone else? I won't name their
>>>names as I would not want them to be alienated or
>>>shunned for associating themselves with such an evil,
>>>hateful sociopath such as myself. But I think if you
>>>asked them about me, they'd have some nice things to
>>>say. With that said...
>>>
>>>"What
>>>>bootsy doesn't get is that DSO does NOT COPY any
>show
>>>>in any way. The concept of playing "shows" for us is
>>>>mearly a set list. It would be against everything
>the
>>>>music is meant to be if it were "copied" as boosty
>>>>suggests. The beauty of the music is that it's based
>>>>around improvisation. The heart and soul of the
>music
>>>>is the freedom to play it as you feel at that
>moment.
>>>>If it's forced or planned it fails. We play the
>music
>>>>from our hearts not from our heads."
>>>
>>>I myself did not hear the improv. It sounded to me
>>>like you guys were playing a show that you picked out
>>>and there are many others that feel the same way. If
>>>you say it ain't so I'll believe you. But why then do
>>>you even bother telling people what show it was
>>>afterwards? Forgive me for being so blunt, but as far
>>>as I'm concerned it is planned and does fail. That
>>>being said I do believe that you guys play from the
>>>heart and are talented musicians and I have said thir
>>>previously.
>>>
>>>"We don't try to look, sound, act like the Dead it's
>>>just how it is.>Every show is different from the
>>next."
>>>
>>>Sorry Rob, but check out your own web site,
>>>particularly under the photos and bios of the band.
>>>They put the person you are supposed to be in
>>>parentheses after your own names with a picture of
>you
>>>guys. But it appears you guys changed that since I
>>>first posted. Anyway, John's photo is him with a
>>>famous Garcia facial expression. Am I wrong? Maybe
>>>you're right, maybe it is just how it is, but then
>why
>>>bother naming the band member you are supposed to be
>>>portraying on your own website with a bio about how
>>>you studied Bobby for years? Or a photo of you
>looking
>>>like that person?
>>>
>>>"Another thing
>>>>about the Dead that many forget is that half of
>their
>>>>material were cover songs from other artists. Some
>of
>>>>our favorites Morning Dew, Going Down The Road, I
>>Know
>>>>You Rider etc were all covers."
>>>
>>>I'm very aware of this and actually mentioned it in
>>>several of my posts followed by saying that I'd like
>>>to hear you guys play those covers your own way,
>>>because you guys can play. If you look you will see
>>>these comments over and over. Also, I'd like to point
>>>out that the boys played covers the way they played,
>>>not copying the tune, they made a cover theirs in a
>>>way by playing it the way they played. I think you
>>>guys should do the same. They covered them for a
>>>reason. They're great songs. Also, I'm probably
>wrong,
>>>but I thought Dew was actually a poem that Garcia put
>>>music to, but now that I think of it, yes the woman
>>>that wrote it also sang it I think.
>>>
>>>"Each
>>>>night we get to explore the music and take it
>>>>different places. The jazz community has been
>>covering
>>>>each others songs for decades. It's a priviladge to
>>be
>>>>able to play this music."
>>>
>>>You're right and again, the Jazz community, of which
>>>I'm very, very familiar does play covers of even
>their
>>>contemporaries, but each musician or ensemble does it
>>>with their own interpretation as the boys did. That's
>>>what makes it special. Would love to hear you guys do
>>>the same. I love hitting a small jazz club in
>>>Manahattan and seeing a bunch of guys that are not
>the
>>>big dogs shredding a Stella By Starlight or a
>>>Cantaloupe Island or a Mingus tune and hearing them
>do
>>>it the way THEY do it. A friend said it best right
>>>here in one of these reviews, I'm paraphrasing. You
>>>guys have the talent and you play so well, you're
>>>playing fantastic music that has so many
>>>improvisational possibilities, why not open the door
>>>and step out into them.
>>>
>>>"The thing that Bootsy doesn't
>>>>get is that being a Dead Head is a way of life, a
>way
>>>>of thinking. The music was just one part of it the
>>>>other part was and is the people. The beauty is when
>>>>it all comes together. Who cares if you know the
>>title
>>>>if it moves you emotionally THATS whats important!
>>>>Those open enough get it and will continue to come
>>>>back the others will miss it but that's also a part
>>of
>>>>life."
>>>
>>>Dude you have no more right to tell these people or
>me
>>>what a Dead Head is than I do. I was man enough to
>>>admit it. Now can you? I know exactly what it is to
>be
>>>a Dead Head, because I live my lide each and every
>day
>>>as one. Without having to posture myself as one or
>>>scream it fromt he roof tops. Besides you could ask
>>>1,000 different Dead Heads what a Dead Head is and
>>>you'd probably get 975 different answers and I would
>>>expect you to know that. I even said in a few posts
>>>that I'm sure you guys are true Dead Heads. You don't
>>>know me or who I am. For all you know we hung out at
>a
>>>show or two and had some laughs together or bumped
>>>into each other in the parking lot from time to
>time.
>>>
>>>"The music was just one part of it the
>>>>other part was and is the people. The beauty is when
>>>>it all comes together. Who cares if you know the
>>title
>>>>if it moves you emotionally THATS whats important!"
>>>
>>>One of your fans I've been emailing with said it best
>>>about this very topic...Me: "I tried to use a little
>>>tough love and I guess it back fired. God how many
>>>times did I
>>>have the older tour heads go off on me about shit
>when
>>>I was on tour?"
>>>
>>>DSO Fan: "This is probably related to the
>>>all-too-common occurance of email not really
>capturing
>>>the exact emotional inflection of its writer and the
>>>reader over-reading it."
>>>
>>>I want EVERYONE to be a Dead Head, imagine what a
>>>world it would truly, truly be. All I want is for
>them
>>>to get into it for the right reasons and learn about
>>>how and why it happened and continues. Not just to
>>>rush to see a coverband portraying the real thing and
>>>pretend that you are there. Most of the people at the
>>>show I saw were under 30 years old and it was evident
>>>that they were there for the wrong reasons. I used
>the
>>>Mexicali thing as an example. Maybe it was wrong.
>>>Probably was. I would not have wanted someone to do
>>>that to me at a show back in the day. But maybe that
>>>kid will listen to the music now and learn about it
>>>instead of worrying more about his clothes and
>whether
>>>or not he's pulling the correct dance moves. Sorry,
>>>there goes that tough love thing again. I dived
>>>headfirst into the Grateful Dead community at 17 and
>>>met a lot of cool people that brought me along. I
>have
>>>brought many people along and still do. I just want
>>>them to love it for the right reasons. And I
>>>personally don't think what you are doing is right
>and
>>>I'm not the only Dead Head that thinks so bro. Sorry
>>>if you thought differently.
>>>
>>>"Those open enough get it and will continue to come
>>>>back the others will miss it but that's also a part
>>of
>>>>life."
>>>
>>>Kind of an arrogant statement. Don't you think? Not
>>>that many of mine have not been. If they don't get
>>>what the DSO is doing then they don't get it? Or
>don't
>>>get what the Dead was doing? We're kind of singing
>the
>>>same tune on different street corners. Guess we're
>>>both throwing stones. No Grateful Dead pun intended.
>>>
>>>"When the old Grateful Dead family come out to
>>>>see us (Kidd, Betty, Mountain Girl, Donna Jean,
>Harry
>>>>Popick the list goes on) that's our biggest jury.
>>They
>>>>continue to come out because the feeling is the same
>>>>and they would know certainly more so then Bootsy."
>>>
>>>True I guess they would not more about that than me.
>>>However I've already stated several times why they do
>>>and I'm not going to drag the Family through the mud.
>>>I've met a lot of them over the years and most were
>>>very decent people. I've said what I have to say
>about
>>>this.
>>>
>>>"Imagine if nobody ever played other artists music
>>>>after the original stopped? What a sad thing that
>>>>would be! Peace"
>>>
>>>Never said that nobody should. Just think each person
>>>should interpret it in their own way. You can think
>>>what you want of me Rob, but I am a very creative
>>>person and I'm seriously anti-establishment and
>always
>>>have been. I live in the man's world as little as
>>>possible and make my own way. I've found a way to use
>>>my creativity and many of the lessons I learned from
>>>being a Dead Head in my life every day. Not all of my
>>>ideas are original, but if I don't put my own spin on
>>>them or allow my creativity to flow into them, I'm
>not
>>>creating, I'm just recreating. Peace man. Seriously.
>>>Bootsy has TONS O LOVE for all of you and all that
>>>know me, know that.
>>>
>>>>As I write this response to Rob's reply I'm enjoying
>>a
>>>>bowl of Rocky Road ice cream, it sooths me like the
>>>>violin soothed the monster. Just kidding, but it is
>>>>really really good. I suggest you get some before
>>>>reading this. Chocolate, Marshmellows and Almonds Oh
>>>>My!
>>>>
>>>>Rob, I want to thank you once again for chiming in
>>and
>>>>I respect you for doing so. It takes guts and shows
>>>>you are a decent guy. However, I don't agree with
>>>>everything you've had to say and I'd like a chance
>to
>>>>address your remarks if I may.
>>>>
>>>>First I'd like you and everyone else to know that I
>>>>have had and still have dialogue via email with some
>>>>people that are big fans of yours and although we
>see
>>>>things differently we have managed to find a common
>>>>ground where we can passionately disagree, yet still
>>>>see where each other are coming from and even helped
>>>>each other see things in a different light. Why is
>>>>that so hard for everyone else? I won't name their
>>>>names as I would not want them to be alienated or
>>>>shunned for associating themselves with such an
>evil,
>>>>hateful sociopath such as myself. But I think if you
>>>>asked them about me, they'd have some nice things to
>>>>say. With that said...
>>>>
>>>>"What
>>>>>bootsy doesn't get is that DSO does NOT COPY any
>>show
>>>>>in any way. The concept of playing "shows" for us
>is
>>>>>mearly a set list. It would be against everything
>>the
>>>>>music is meant to be if it were "copied" as boosty
>>>>>suggests. The beauty of the music is that it's
>based
>>>>>around improvisation. The heart and soul of the
>>music
>>>>>is the freedom to play it as you feel at that
>>moment.
>>>>>If it's forced or planned it fails. We play the
>>music
>>>>>from our hearts not from our heads."
>>>>
>>>>I myself did not hear the improv. It sounded to me
>>>>like you guys were playing a show that you picked
>out
>>>>and there are many others that feel the same way. If
>>>>you say it ain't so I'll believe you. But why then
>do
>>>>you even bother telling people what show it was
>>>>afterwards? Forgive me for being so blunt, but as
>far
>>>>as I'm concerned it is planned and does fail. That
>>>>being said I do believe that you guys play from the
>>>>heart and are talented musicians and I have said
>thir
>>>>previously.
>>>>
>>>>"We don't try to look, sound, act like the Dead it's
>>>>just how it is.>Every show is different from the
>>>next."
>>>>
>>>>Sorry Rob, but check out your own web site,
>>>>particularly under the photos and bios of the band.
>>>>They put the person you are supposed to be in
>>>>parentheses after your own names with a picture of
>>you
>>>>guys. But it appears you guys changed that since I
>>>>first posted. Anyway, John's photo is him with a
>>>>famous Garcia facial expression. Am I wrong? Maybe
>>>>you're right, maybe it is just how it is, but then
>>why
>>>>bother naming the band member you are supposed to be
>>>>portraying on your own website with a bio about how
>>>>you studied Bobby for years? Or a photo of you
>>looking
>>>>like that person?
>>>>
>>>>"Another thing
>>>>>about the Dead that many forget is that half of
>>their
>>>>>material were cover songs from other artists. Some
>>of
>>>>>our favorites Morning Dew, Going Down The Road, I
>>>Know
>>>>>You Rider etc were all covers."
>>>>
>>>>I'm very aware of this and actually mentioned it in
>>>>several of my posts followed by saying that I'd like
>>>>to hear you guys play those covers your own way,
>>>>because you guys can play. If you look you will see
>>>>these comments over and over. Also, I'd like to
>point
>>>>out that the boys played covers the way they played,
>>>>not copying the tune, they made a cover theirs in a
>>>>way by playing it the way they played. I think you
>>>>guys should do the same. They covered them for a
>>>>reason. They're great songs. Also, I'm probably
>>wrong,
>>>>but I thought Dew was actually a poem that Garcia
>put
>>>>music to, but now that I think of it, yes the woman
>>>>that wrote it also sang it I think.
>>>>
>>>>"Each
>>>>>night we get to explore the music and take it
>>>>>different places. The jazz community has been
>>>covering
>>>>>each others songs for decades. It's a priviladge to
>>>be
>>>>>able to play this music."
>>>>
>>>>You're right and again, the Jazz community, of which
>>>>I'm very, very familiar does play covers of even
>>their
>>>>contemporaries, but each musician or ensemble does
>it
>>>>with their own interpretation as the boys did.
>That's
>>>>what makes it special. Would love to hear you guys
>do
>>>>the same. I love hitting a small jazz club in
>>>>Manahattan and seeing a bunch of guys that are not
>>the
>>>>big dogs shredding a Stella By Starlight or a
>>>>Cantaloupe Island or a Mingus tune and hearing them
>>do
>>>>it the way THEY do it. A friend said it best right
>>>>here in one of these reviews, I'm paraphrasing. You
>>>>guys have the talent and you play so well, you're
>>>>playing fantastic music that has so many
>>>>improvisational possibilities, why not open the door
>>>>and step out into them.
>>>>
>>>>"The thing that Bootsy doesn't
>>>>>get is that being a Dead Head is a way of life, a
>>way
>>>>>of thinking. The music was just one part of it the
>>>>>other part was and is the people. The beauty is
>when
>>>>>it all comes together. Who cares if you know the
>>>title
>>>>>if it moves you emotionally THATS whats important!
>>>>>Those open enough get it and will continue to come
>>>>>back the others will miss it but that's also a part
>>>of
>>>>>life."
>>>>
>>>>Dude you have no more right to tell these people or
>>me
>>>>what a Dead Head is than I do. I was man enough to
>>>>admit it. Now can you? I know exactly what it is to
>>be
>>>>a Dead Head, because I live my lide each and every
>>day
>>>>as one. Without having to posture myself as one or
>>>>scream it fromt he roof tops. Besides you could ask
>>>>1,000 different Dead Heads what a Dead Head is and
>>>>you'd probably get 975 different answers and I would
>>>>expect you to know that. I even said in a few posts
>>>>that I'm sure you guys are true Dead Heads. You
>don't
>>>>know me or who I am. For all you know we hung out at
>>a
>>>>show or two and had some laughs together or bumped
>>>>into each other in the parking lot from time to
>>time.
>>>>
>>>>"The music was just one part of it the
>>>>>other part was and is the people. The beauty is
>when
>>>>>it all comes together. Who cares if you know the
>>>title
>>>>>if it moves you emotionally THATS whats important!"
>>>>
>>>>One of your fans I've been emailing with said it
>best
>>>>about this very topic...Me: "I tried to use a little
>>>>tough love and I guess it back fired. God how many
>>>>times did I
>>>>have the older tour heads go off on me about shit
>>when
>>>>I was on tour?"
>>>>
>>>>DSO Fan: "This is probably related to the
>>>>all-too-common occurance of email not really
>>capturing
>>>>the exact emotional inflection of its writer and the
>>>>reader over-reading it."
>>>>
>>>>I want EVERYONE to be a Dead Head, imagine what a
>>>>world it would truly, truly be. All I want is for
>>them
>>>>to get into it for the right reasons and learn about
>>>>how and why it happened and continues. Not just to
>>>>rush to see a coverband portraying the real thing
>and
>>>>pretend that you are there. Most of the people at
>the
>>>>show I saw were under 30 years old and it was
>evident
>>>>that they were there for the wrong reasons. I used
>>the
>>>>Mexicali thing as an example. Maybe it was wrong.
>>>>Probably was. I would not have wanted someone to do
>>>>that to me at a show back in the day. But maybe that
>>>>kid will listen to the music now and learn about it
>>>>instead of worrying more about his clothes and
>>whether
>>>>or not he's pulling the correct dance moves. Sorry,
>>>>there goes that tough love thing again. I dived
>>>>headfirst into the Grateful Dead community at 17 and
>>>>met a lot of cool people that brought me along. I
>>have
>>>>brought many people along and still do. I just want
>>>>them to love it for the right reasons. And I
>>>>personally don't think what you are doing is right
>>and
>>>>I'm not the only Dead Head that thinks so bro. Sorry
>>>>if you thought differently.
>>>>
>>>>"Those open enough get it and will continue to come
>>>>>back the others will miss it but that's also a part
>>>of
>>>>>life."
>>>>
>>>>Kind of an arrogant statement. Don't you think? Not
>>>>that many of mine have not been. If they don't get
>>>>what the DSO is doing then they don't get it? Or
>>don't
>>>>get what the Dead was doing? We're kind of singing
>>the
>>>>same tune on different street corners. Guess we're
>>>>both throwing stones. No Grateful Dead pun intended.
>>>>
>>>>"When the old Grateful Dead family come out to
>>>>>see us (Kidd, Betty, Mountain Girl, Donna Jean,
>>Harry
>>>>>Popick the list goes on) that's our biggest jury.
>>>They
>>>>>continue to come out because the feeling is the
>same
>>>>>and they would know certainly more so then Bootsy."
>>>>
>>>>True I guess they would not more about that than me.
>>>>However I've already stated several times why they
>do
>>>>and I'm not going to drag the Family through the
>mud.
>>>>I've met a lot of them over the years and most were
>>>>very decent people. I've said what I have to say
>>about
>>>>this.
>>>>
>>>>"Imagine if nobody ever played other artists music
>>>>>after the original stopped? What a sad thing that
>>>>>would be! Peace"
>>>>
>>>>Never said that nobody should. Just think each
>person
>>>>should interpret it in their own way. You can think
>>>>what you want of me Rob, but I am a very creative
>>>>person and I'm seriously anti-establishment and
>>always
>>>>have been. I live in the man's world as little as
>>>>possible and make my own way. I've found a way to
>use
>>>>my creativity and many of the lessons I learned from
>>>>being a Dead Head in my life every day. Not all of
>my
>>>>ideas are original, but if I don't put my own spin
>on
>>>>them or allow my creativity to flow into them, I'm
>>not
>>>>creating, I'm just recreating. Peace man. Seriously.
>>>>Bootsy has TONS O LOVE for all of you and all that
>>>>know me, know that.
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