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Date Posted: 12:55:43 09/28/12 Fri
Author: bill
Author Host/IP: 71.187.85.82
Subject: Re: Prof. Bill Congdon
In reply to: marita kuzey 's message, "Re: Prof. Bill Congdon" on 07:42:47 09/28/12 Fri

D Jam is David Jankowski Marita and while he does seem to ramble a lot in his posts he seems to make some sense from time to time once you get a handle on his poetic/prose writing style with the odd references he creates that can sometimes be near enigmas to understand.

As you might not see this for a while I won't try to get into any real dialogue but I do understand where you are comming from in your take on things from a rather unique point of observation.

Most westerners don;t really understand the way other cultures operate and try to fit them ionto categories we would use here rather than those used in other cultural forms.
Turkey is a rather unique blend of western and easter cultural influences and a quite complicated society for most of us to understand.
WHile it is nominally a democracy it is not a western style democracy like we here would be familliar with and not like a parliamentary system more familliar to the europeans.
Many of us were not really surprised when the election at the beginning of the Iraq war phase two ( Gulf war 1 ended in an armistice not a real end just a pause in the armed conflict with 8 years of flyovers and missions just short of renewed military intervention ) had the Turkish government halt the planned movement of troops and supplies through Turkey for the northern force planned for that invasion. That meant slowing the advance though in truth the Iraq war was quick with the Iraqui millitary disolving fast and the post invasion phase lasting for much longer than what had been anticipated as the Saddam people went underground and outsiders moved in to cause troubles that were not forseen.
Most of the people in the think tanks probaby thopught that once the military collapsed ( which it did quickly ) that there would be a rather simple process of getting the Iraquis to set up a democracy of their own. That of course was not the way things went. too many separate factions and outside influences once there was no Iraqui national order holding thiongs in check.
Saddam and his people of course did that but how they did it meant more trouble getting the people of the Iraqui state to cooperate once they were out of power.

Turkey has always been something of an enigma to the westerners , a country that refuses to be pushed around but also does not get pushey with anyone elses way of life. While the Kurds have issues with all the countries that now occupy what they look at as Kurdistan that is a small part of the Kurdish people. Turkey has taken in many when they were being persecuted elsewhere and only has issues with the Kurds who actively oppose Turkey within their borders. Turkey has been taking in peoples and letting them pass through for centuries mostly with no oposition if they behaved themselves while in the country.

That reference you make to the movements of cultures is something I used to thik about a lot back in the day. most of human civilization has been the way things change as peoples move through the world and bring along their cultural ideas and practices. That is what shapes the way cultures develop and change.

Nice to have someone here again that actually discusses things.

bill , manser 67-72

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  • It does not effect our minds ? -- D.Jam (4.2 B 'scripts USA last year), 17:55:24 09/30/12 Sun
  • Re: It does not effect our minds ? -- DJam (Tarpley on Syria), 18:22:15 10/02/12 Tue
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