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Date Posted: 17:56:25 10/29/05 Sat
Author: Rich
Subject: May I suggest a compromise ?
In reply to: Celebaelin 's message, "Beyond you!" on 14:25:52 10/29/05 Sat

Napoleon was arguably superior to Wellington (& just about everyone else) at the *operational* level of war. I'm not sure any of Wellington's campaigns could be considered equal to the Austerlitz campaign (although I don't know his campaigns as well as both of you seem to).

Wellington, however, was a master of the "manuever offensively & fight defensively" school, as he showed at Waterloo - he advanced to a position which Napoleon would have to attack, then held it. I believe he also did this in the Peninsular campaign. He used reverse slopes to neutralize French artillery, & square formations (a traditional favorite) to neutralize enemy cavalry. It can therefore be argued that Wellington was a superior *tactician*.

Besides, the real key player at Waterloo was Grouchy - if he'd followed his instincts, he would have arrived before the Prussians; if he'd followed his orders, he could have blocked the Prussians - either way, Napoleon could have won. So there.

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Replies:

Empires -- Celebaelin, 03:18:06 10/30/05 Sun

Not entirley fair -- manwitch, 05:16:20 10/31/05 Mon

Lee -- Celebaelin, 07:38:09 10/31/05 Mon
- Grant was the better general. -- Sophist, 08:57:38 10/31/05 Mon
  - Re: Grant was the better general. -- manwitch, 09:48:35 10/31/05 Mon
    - Not sure if you're asking me... -- Sophist, 10:28:38 10/31/05 Mon
  - Lee vs Grant -- Sunshine, 13:01:12 10/31/05 Mon
    - Lee's strategy -- Sophist, 13:39:16 10/31/05 Mon
      - Re: Lee's strategy -- Sunshine, 14:05:40 10/31/05 Mon
- Re: Lee -- What about that Stonewall, 14:43:26 10/31/05 Mon
  - Jackson -- Sophist, 15:36:27 10/31/05 Mon
    - Re: Jackson -- Sunshine, 16:07:09 10/31/05 Mon
  - nice post -- manwitch, 06:01:41 11/02/05 Wed
    - IMHO, the South could have won... -- Rich, 07:48:08 11/02/05 Wed
    - Re: nice post -- Sunshine, 11:56:59 11/02/05 Wed
      - You don't think nuking Berlin might have helped ? (NT) -- Rich, 12:14:44 11/02/05 Wed
        You are correct - I sort of overlooked that (NT) -- Sunshines, 12:17:46 11/02/05 Wed
  - And thus the case for the importance of an Indirect Strategy. -- fresne, 13:56:03 11/02/05 Wed
    - Re: And thus the case for the importance of an Indirect Strategy. -- Sunshine, 14:27:41 11/02/05 Wed
Strategy -- Celebaelin, 15:33:04 10/31/05 Mon
- Re: Strategy -- Sunshine, 16:01:47 10/31/05 Mon
- T 34 -- Celebaelin, 16:47:24 10/31/05 Mon
  - Re: T 34 -- Sunshine, 17:29:57 10/31/05 Mon
    - War -- Celebaelin, 18:16:57 10/31/05 Mon
      - Heh, and here I was thinking -- fresne, 14:19:06 11/01/05 Tue
        Khaki Angel (NT) -- Celebaelin, 05:28:21 11/02/05 Wed
        Fie, a pox upon it! -- fresne, 13:25:46 11/02/05 Wed

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