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• looking for advice from moms and dads -- thank you, 07:12:51 08/25/02 Sun
  My dd is junior high age, loves dance,and has recently been dumped (for lack of a better word) by her school friends. These kids do not dance, they play a lot of seasonal sports. Nothing as time consuming or as involved as dance. My daughter is a decent dancer in prelim, not top by any means, but she loves what she does, there is no attitude on her part. They are being mean and hurtful in their exclusion. Any advise. Personally I don't want her to be with these kids anymore. She isn't outgoing though, so making new friends will be hard for her.
  
  There must be others that have been thru this....any advise would be appreciated.
  

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  • Kids can be cruel, but the dancing probably wasn't the reason, unless..... -- MW mom, 19:35:21 08/25/02 Sun
  • Unfortunately, this is a common part of growing up - middle schoolers have a tendency to "group" and exclude (learning about control and how much power they actually have.) Something similar happened to my DD. I encouraged her to continue to be nice to everyone, expand her friendships and soon, she found her niche with a much nicer crowd. Also, have her keep in contact with her dancing friends- they have a special bond, and understand each other's obsession with dance. Good luck. (NT) -- Dancer's Mom, 03:04:34 08/26/02 Mon
  • I can relate. Our DD knows that her group is non-supportive of one another, no matter what. She barely mentions ID to them. None of them acknowledge an achievement, cute outfit, hairstyle, etc. Our DD is shy, too, but hubby and I await the day she finds a supportive group. I'm sure it will happen and they'll be better for this experience. Just have to get through this. She might go to their games to cheer them on, then maybe one or two girls might ask to go to a feis. Try it. -- I wish my DD had more supportive freinds, too., 07:38:08 08/26/02 Mon
  • Been there...encourage her to be true to herself at all cost (NT) -- friends come and go throughout our lives, 14:46:30 08/29/02 Thu
    • thank you posters, your'e right, so logical (NT) -- just hard, 06:38:46 08/30/02 Fri
  • My dd is now a Senior in her very large high school and the only Irish Dancer. She has so many compliments about her dancing - her yearbook signings prove that. She does 2 talent shows a year @ her school w/ standing ovation (she's in U17 Prelims). One of the comic groups made up of friends of hers from Choir asked her to be part of their act this year - Doing ID (being a pro) and showing how to ID to the non believers. -- AZFeismom, 12:49:21 09/05/02 Thu
    • To add to her pride of being an ID she wears her Feis T-shirts to school everyday ... And when she returns from a comp they stop her in the hallways to see how she did.. The school is planning on doing a "virtual" DVD yearbook this year (the 1st) and they're already asking for photos of her in costume!!! My once shy dd has blossomed into a beautiful dancer who lifts everyone's spirt (NT) -- xxxx, 23:23:19 09/10/02 Tue
  • She doesn't have to be outgoing to make friends. (inside) -- .., 03:42:37 09/08/02 Sun
  • Re: looking for advice from moms and dads -- ID mom, 17:36:07 09/08/02 Sun
    • wonderful story, one I hope to be telling in a few years -- thank you, 07:11:48 09/09/02 Mon
  • My dd got dumped by her 2 best friends in 3rd grade and ID was the saving grace for her! -- finding friends in many places, 16:46:31 09/28/02 Sat
  • It's hard. Hang in there. We found 7th grade to be the worst, but it soons evens out. My daughter regretfully stopped sitting w/friends that were demontrating poor values. She's now friends w/ a nicer bunch. She enjoys Scouting also-good values, nice girls, wide variety of activities, girls' interests drive the troop activities. (NT) -- GCW, 23:33:44 10/04/02 Fri
    • thank you, I keep waiting for her to see it the big picture like i do (NT) -- hasn't happened yet though, 07:59:12 10/05/02 Sat

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• New Dancer wanting advice from Parents -- Kelly, 18:02:17 08/29/02 Thu
  I started dance classes in January, and soon realized that ID was my passion. The problem? My father recently changed jobs, and we don't have as much money as we used to. This isn't a problem with the lessons, because I take lessons at a "satellite class" (not at the dance school, and with a student teacher, but under the supervision of a certified teacher), so the lessons are fairly inexpensive. The thing is, I think I could do better at the ID school, but it is 45 minutes away and my parents say that is too far. Any opinions?
  Second problem- I've got my first feis coming up, and I can't convince my parents to let me buy ghillies or hardshoes (I'll be dancing hornpipe in the feis). I have promised to pay with my own money (even though they spend $50-60 on my brother's soccer shoes every year), but they keep putting it off "We'll see. I don't know- we'll have to check it out. Maybe after your feis." I haven't been successful in my attempts to show them that I will, in fact, need the ghillies for my feis. How can I explain this to them? Any input would be greatly appreciated (when I post on the dancer's board, they get really nasty and say that I shouldn't even be dancing because I'm not at a "real" school, so anything here would be an improvement). Thanks!
  

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  • Kelly - please read. -- Sara, 22:59:49 08/29/02 Thu
  • Dear Kelly, read inside -- the parents gotta love it too... :-(, 05:39:51 08/30/02 Fri
  • What size would you need ? -- momX2, 21:02:07 08/30/02 Fri
  • Try on shoes from other dancers to determine your size. Put up a sign at the real ID school saying you need a pair of used hardshoes & specify the size. You can also post this info on a message board. And look at www.dance-again.com to see if anyone's selling your size. You really need the hardshoes. (NT) -- good luck, 23:22:30 09/07/02 Sat
  • Ask teacher(s) about shoes you can borrow for practice/feis. Try Wal-Mart ballet shoes, punch holes for crossing long laces. Costume: long sleeve leotard & circle skirt (handy?: lace on neck, wrist & skirt). Hardshoe.com for socks. Tell your parents: dancers earn $$ dancing at 1st Communions, Confirmations, Birthday, Lady's Day, etc. Ask your teachers/Booster Club for advice/help. Good luck & God bless. (NT) -- A Mom, 04:08:46 09/12/02 Thu
  • Remember, some people think that fancy dresses and wigs are needed. They're not, until you advance to Prizewinners, perhaps. My daughter looked a "Plain Jane", but always amazed other kids by winning anyway! -- GCW, 23:25:27 10/04/02 Fri

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• Question on first feis -- Caelan, 17:44:41 09/10/02 Tue
  I've got my first feis coming up in a few weeks, and I've been checking out the feis website. They have a list with the number of dancers for each section. I'll be dancing reel, jig, slipjig in beginners and hornpipe in advanced beginners (there isn't a beginners hornpipe). There are 10 dancers signed up for hornpipe, but for 15 and over beginners, there is only one dancer for jig, slipjig, and reel (I'm assuming that it's me). How will this be handled? Will I be dancing with the younger beginners?
  

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  • If you're the only competitor listed then you'll be dancing all by yourself... and the win won't count until you have 5 or more dancers in your comp. My dd spent 2 yrs competing against herself in Novice in AZ (U10, U11). She only advanced up to PW when she competed at several ER Feisanna w/ 20 plus dancers.... (NT) -- xxxxxxx, 22:50:31 09/10/02 Tue
  • In our region, they will definately combine you with the other dancers. I've never seen a dancer competing by herself. (NT) -- ., 08:58:36 09/11/02 Wed
    • I saw a dancer in the Southern Region compete by herself one time. (NT) -- Midwest., 05:37:55 09/12/02 Thu
  • A family in our school with boy dancers never know how many will be in the comp until they show up at the feis, and sometimes there are only a few dancers. They are going to blow the budget and start to go out of our region and hope they will see enough competitors, and we're going with them. Is the decision to combine comps a feis decision or something the region decides? Would like to have a handle before we plan. -- On the road., 05:53:20 09/12/02 Thu
    • For what its worth - our teacher has moved our son up through the levels because he'd only have 3-4 competitors at a feis. There are rules in Irish Dance, but common sense rules on occasion. He's now Oireachtas level and doing well. (NT) -- Boy's Mom, 18:26:15 09/27/02 Fri
  • All Feisanna follow the NAFC age guidelines... Some Feis will have enough comps, some will not, some have to be combined... But its basically up to the Feis Committee's to combine comps & that only happens after all the entries are in. AZ use have small comps (less than 100) and you danced alone. Its now growing - our Feis has over 600 competitors now. (NT) -- WR FeisCommittee, 22:30:02 09/12/02 Thu
  • Re: Question on first feis -- older dancer, 16:41:04 09/13/02 Fri

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• Want to buy a Solo Dress-I just found out my daughter can wear a Solo dress and it was suggested that I go to COL they want a $350 deposit and then a another deposit of $600 is that standered with all dress makers to pay almost a $1000 up before receiving your dress? -- Need Answers, 08:17:46 01/23/02 Wed
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  • Not for us...(more inside) -- mwmom, 09:19:09 01/23/02 Wed
  • This is becoming more and more common as some dressmakers have gotten "burned" by people who ordered a dress, then for some reason changed their mind and did not pay the rest of the money that was owed the dressmaker. -- a mom, 11:13:35 01/23/02 Wed
  • A deposit up front is reasonable to cover material costs. The rest should be payable when the dress is done and ready to ship. (NT) -- dressmaker, 14:18:43 01/23/02 Wed
  • Re: Want to buy a Solo Dress-I just found out my daughter can wear a Solo dress and it was suggested that I go to COL they want a $350 deposit and then a another deposit of $600 is that standered with all dress makers to pay almost a $1000 up before receiving your dress? -- mom, 07:13:29 01/24/02 Thu
    • I have to agree with the above poster. I just bought a used solo from dance-again.com and it was a great experience in every respect. The dress was used (three owners), but in near perfect condition. The seller was helpful and friendly. I only paid $500 for a custom Threads of Green dress. My daughter is U8 and I just couldn't see buying new. -- Another momtoo, 06:12:17 01/25/02 Fri
  • I bought a dress from COL and it looked nice but the workmanship was awful and it wasn't worth the price I paid for it . (NT) -- Very Disappointed, 10:51:28 01/24/02 Thu
    • We have had 5 dresses from Colours of Ireland, and every one has been of superior quality. I find it interesting that the person on all the messageboards who has some kind of grudge against Colours of Ireland consistently refers to the company as COL. I'm not sure what the L is supposed to stand for, but whoever it is always makes the same error. (NT) -- a mom, 17:05:49 01/24/02 Thu
      • I had noticed the exact same thing! I've recently got my 3rd Colours of Ireland dress and wouldn't go anywhere else. I fully expected to pay a deposit ($350) and paid the balance when the dress was finished. Their dresses are works of art and we are thrilled yet again by our latest one. (NT) -- Happy mom, 19:10:33 01/26/02 Sat
      • I guess I've seen both extremes from them. Gorgeous dresses, beautiful workmanship and timely delivery and so-so dresses (visually), abysmal workmanship and dancers being stood up at critical moments. I think basically, you're dealing with some nice, talented ladies who are doing their best, but who are, after all - human. (NT) -- A largish deposit seems OK...maybe not quite that much?, 12:46:53 01/29/02 Tue
    • Re: I bought a dress from COL and it looked nice but the workmanship was awful and it wasn't worth the price I paid for it . -- A Solo Dress Maker, 12:28:46 09/27/02 Fri
  • Siopa Rince -- Mom, 13:55:21 01/24/02 Thu
  • Re:I was just asking a question relax. Thanks for the nice comments, and take a anger pill or get some therapy for ever sent the other negative comment sensative (NT) -- Just asking a question about Colours, 19:27:50 01/27/02 Sun
  • It is up to you if you want to work with people who are ethical or not but I found in my experience they were not upfront on the date I would receive the dress and they were certainly were way off on the price they quoated me by $200 more. I find if they know the customer they make the dress on time but if they don't know you your just put on the back burner with phone calls not returned or e-mails. There alot of new dress makers out there look around (NT) -- Becareful, 06:08:12 01/28/02 Mon
  • Re: Want to buy a Solo Dress-I just found out my daughter can wear a Solo dress and it was suggested that I go to COL they want a $350 deposit and then a another deposit of $600 is that standered with all dress makers to pay almost a $1000 up before receiving your dress? -- Kate, 17:59:58 02/04/02 Mon
  • I bought a dress from the The Colors of Ireland and I was not 100 % pleased with their business practices very UNFAIR! (NT) -- ripped off, 07:00:09 02/05/02 Tue
  • COIreland -- beenthere, 12:29:40 03/04/02 Mon
    • I think there are good and bad experiences with every dress maker. Some love COIreland, some Sopia Rince, Some Paul Keith, some AineDesign. I am thrilled with the woman who made my daughters' dresses in Dublin. You will have to consider what those around you say, check out some websites, decide what style of dress you prefer. Then pick a dress maker. I don't envy you. We stumbled upon our dressmaker at our Nationals. I have had nothing but positve experiences with them but it (NT) -- doesn't mean she doesn't have dissatisfied customers., 12:51:49 05/09/02 Thu
  • Re: Want to buy a Solo Dress-I just found out my daughter can wear a Solo dress and it was suggested that I go to COL they want a $350 deposit and then a another deposit of $600 is that standered with all dress makers to pay almost a $1000 up before receiving your dress? -- A Solo Dress Maker, 12:26:05 09/27/02 Fri

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• petri school feis -- carl petri, 10:45:22 09/08/02 Sun
  Please disregard the rumors. If and when the entries for the Petri school feis are closed it will be posted on the school web site www.petrischool.com
  

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  • Re: petri school feis -- IDMOM, 08:04:00 09/26/02 Thu

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• Good news from Sara -- Sara, 14:52:45 07/07/02 Sun
  I got my hardshoes :) But my hip is still really bothering me so after putting on my hards everday for a week i decided i just cant for the sake of future walking abilites. But the good news is that im going to the doctor! I know thats not the kind of good news you were probably expecting but im glad i'll find out whats going on and that i'll be able to dance again ASAP. September cant come soon enough :(
  
  Congratulations to all on their achievements at the Nationals. Give yourselves a pat on the back!
  
  Take care,
  Sara
  

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  • Who would've known that trouble with my hip would cause a visit to a physician, then have 4 tubes of blood drawn from my arm, and a visit to an orthopedist! (NT) -- Sara, 23:05:52 07/12/02 Fri
  • Sara,I'm so sorry to hear that! I do hope that you will get a diagnosis soon.This seems so unfair after your previous struggles.Good luck,God Bless & keep us posted (NT) -- English mum, 14:42:49 07/14/02 Sun
  • Just got back from the Orthopedist, he said i most likely have hip tendentious. I have to go to physical therapy for 4-6 weeks, 2-3 times a week. I might have to get an MRI if it doesnt feel better in a few weeks. Unfortnatly, mom's convinced its the dancing, so keep your fingers crossed for me! (NT) -- Sara, 14:59:28 07/15/02 Mon
    • Ouch! One of my dds has tendonitis in her knee,so I can appreciate some of how you feel.Have you been told to swim as much as possible.It's great for keeping you flexible but is totally non-weightbearing so won't stress your hip.Tendonitis is fairly common in active young people so do reassure your mum it's not just due to the dancing! (NT) -- English mum, 00:58:38 07/17/02 Wed
  • Would the Hulluchan shoes both soft and hard help you??? My daughter has had no problems since wearing them. Just a thought (NT) -- nancy, 10:37:51 09/19/02 Thu

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• Irish Dancers 9/11 Memorial Message board -- Irish Dancer, 10:01:10 09/11/02 Wed
  I have put up a forum for everyone to put your thoughts and feelings of the events of this day one year ago.
  
  All are welcome
  
  http://www.voy.com/108707/
  

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• Thank you to all the parents! I've found that this board is *much* more constructive and helpful than the other ID board. Thank you for all your advice and for renewing my positive outlook. -- Kelly, 17:27:23 09/09/02 Mon
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• Opinions wanted-please -- A Mom, 05:39:18 09/08/02 Sun
  Hi my DD is 9. What are your opinions regarding practice? How long should she practice a day at this age? Should I watch her practice? I will ask her teacher when she goes back but want opinions. She competes in adv beg/novice. She now practices 1/2 hr almost every day without a problem. Thanks
  

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  • Sounds about right to me.How many classes does she take? I think that is a factor to consider too.Some kids practice after class,to go over what they've learned,some practise on non-class days,some will do both. More inside -- A mum, 02:38:19 09/09/02 Mon

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• Oireachtas 2002 -- Amy, 13:52:08 07/25/02 Thu
  I am new to I.D. and was wondering if there are any website's for each regions Oireachtas?
  
  Any assistance would be appreciated.
  
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  • I think the Midwest is Oireachtas.com (NT) -- I think, 20:00:50 08/07/02 Wed
  • There's also www.westernusregion.com. Don't bother with ER or NE. ER hasn't been updated since 2000. (NT) -- cybermom, 23:33:42 09/07/02 Sat
  • www.idtana-southernregion.com for the Southern Region of the US (NT) -- a SR mom, 10:20:31 09/08/02 Sun

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• when are the All Scotlands and what City -- anyone going?, 14:42:57 08/28/02 Wed
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  • 4th,5th & 6th October in Kilmarnock,near to Glasgow.We are going for the first time (NT) -- English parent, 02:32:12 08/30/02 Fri
  • the Championship competitions are on the 5th and 6th, lots of Butler-Fearons going (NT) -- b-f mom, 19:30:11 08/30/02 Fri
    • Oh reaaallyy.........! (NT) -- !, 14:44:00 09/01/02 Sun

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• Does anybody know when the Western Canada Oireachtas 2002 will be held?!?! -- Oireachtas Dancer, 11:07:21 08/30/02 Fri
  I know it will be in Calgary or Edmonton (I forget which one) but I just don't know what weekend its on. If anybody knows please tell me! Thank you!
  

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• nUMBER OF DANCERS NEEDED TO MOVE UP A LEVEL -- MAUREEN, 06:37:14 08/05/02 Mon
  My daughter recently got 2 first at a feis where she competed against 4 other girls. She also received two 2nds against these same girls that day. A mother from her school comes over to us and tells us she can not move up a level as she didn't have enough dancers in her competition. Now the mothers of the girls who received the 1st where my daughter got the 2nds said they are moving their daughters up as as long as the marks where high my daughters were high and the judge said after the feis it counts they can move up. Help as I am confused .
  

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  • I was always told that there need to be a minimum of 5 dancers in a competition or else the places don't count towards moving up. I believe on every feis syllabus, and of course the NAFC website, they say that. Or you could always just wait a year and then move up.. (NT) -- Kerri, 07:06:54 08/05/02 Mon
  • Competitions do not count for moving up unless there are 5 competitors, but your teacher may choose to let her move up. But either way, it is the TCRG's decision, not the mom. (NT) -- anon, 07:40:52 08/05/02 Mon
  • I think that your daughter's placements do "count" because there were 4 OTHER girls, add her makes five to be the required number (NT) -- ., 14:05:46 08/05/02 Mon
  • Talk to your teacher instead of listing to other moms, who may have their own reasons for misinforming you. -- Besides 4 + your daughter = 5, the comps count, 19:04:11 08/06/02 Tue
  • Here's what I was told -- also anon, 05:34:11 08/07/02 Wed
  • Do consult your teacher. In our school a dancer would rarely be allowed to move up mid-year no matter what. Also, beware that you can't really look at how "high" the marks are. I've read that at beginner-prizewinner levels each judge pretty much uses his/her own "scale", that is the scores are comparitive based on that competition, not concrete. (NT) -- Margaret, 19:52:50 08/07/02 Wed
    • oh, lordy are the judges scales way off at the early levels - I just got results, and my TJ score was 75 and placed 2nd... my reel score was 85 and placed 4th! (NT) -- Christy, 20:37:04 08/07/02 Wed
      • A bit presumptuous of you to assume the judges scores were way off? Every judge and competition is scored differently. So, it didn't matter really whether your score was 75 or 35, if you got 2nd, there was still someone better than you. (NT) -- ?, 16:24:23 08/19/02 Mon
    • It also depends on what region you are in. In the Western US region, you move up at the next feis, not the next year. The teacher makes the decision, though. (NT) -- X, 01:00:06 08/10/02 Sat
  • Isn't the requirement for 5 competitors in a competition limited to preliminary championships moving into championships? (NT) -- confused, too, 20:54:57 08/14/02 Wed
  • At our school the TCRGs policy (for a comp with less than 5 competitors) is that you can move up if you get the First place. (NT) -- x, 20:46:52 08/15/02 Thu

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• Dancing In Eire -- Fiona, 18:56:41 08/11/02 Sun
  ~*Announcing*~
  
  My old website (Dancing On Dreams) is now closed and the new website, Dancing In Eire, is up. The new URL is www.geocities.com/dancingineire/ - I'm still working on getting a domain name to get rid of the annoying pop-ups, but I do hope you like the new website!! Feel free to let me know what you think. I'll be adding to it a whole lot as well!
  
  There are two pages which are still down, the E-cards page and the Kids Activities page. These will take a while to get up, my sister is really good at art and she is going to help me get up a lot of pictures for kids to print out and color to take to feises, etc. I'm still working on the e-cards. Have fun at the new site! (please note, if you get a notice saying site temporarily unavailable or something, please try back within a few hours or the next day.)
  
  Fiona
  Homepage: www.geocities.com/dancingineire/
  Fiona's Exchange: www.geocities.com/dancerexchange/
  

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  • Wigs -- Tara, 15:36:57 08/12/02 Mon
  • Re: Dancing In Eire -- Aodhan, 07:55:38 08/14/02 Wed

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• Paul Keith Designs -- Dancer in Need of a Dress, 11:57:55 07/14/02 Sun
  Has anyone had experience with Paul Keith Dress Designs? The dresses on the site look lovely. Anyone been up close to the dresses? How is the service?
  

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  • I have 2 DDs & so far we have had 5 dresses from Paul & a 6th currently in production.His dresses are gorgeous,you can go for a precut readymade or made to measure.For the latter he will let you choose from a large selection of designs or make one to your own design.The dresses are v.good quality & always sell on fast for a good price secondhand.He & his wife are very sweet & pleasant to work with too.And he gives you a great price too! (NT) -- Mum in England(PK fan!), 14:38:56 07/14/02 Sun
    • Re: I have 2 DDs & so far we have had 5 dresses from Paul & a 6th currently in production.His dresses are gorgeous,you can go for a precut readymade or made to measure.For the latter he will let you choose from a large selection of designs or make one to your own design.The dresses are v.good quality & always sell on fast for a good price secondhand.He & his wife are very sweet & pleasant to work with too.And he gives you a great price too! -- Kate, 17:03:50 07/15/02 Mon
  • Re: Paul Keith Designs -- Kate, 17:05:49 07/15/02 Mon
    • Depends a little on the age of the dancer-for my u/6 I pay £450, for my u/12 £550. Don't think he ever charges more than £600. We give Paul a "working brief",he draws up the design ,then together we alter it until everyone is happy.Paul is trained in art & design and is very creative. (NT) -- Mum in England, 04:06:01 07/16/02 Tue
      • [from poster above]... U6, *sigh* - - i feel old : *( (NT) -- the board's depresser, 13:25:27 07/17/02 Wed
    • Re: Paul Keith Designs -- Dancer in need..., 21:02:48 07/20/02 Sat
      • Yes they are lined with cotton.Paul usually uses black but I'm sure he'd use another colour if you wanted him to.Our first couple of dresses were lined with white but it looks grubby after a while.Black doesn't show through the silk or satin. (NT) -- English mum, 12:52:25 07/22/02 Mon
  • Re: Paul Keith Designs -- Not a PK Fan, 16:23:47 07/24/02 Wed
    • I suppose you could say the same of many Irish Dance companies who specialize in select designs, not just PK. If you paid for a custom design (one-off) I would understand your point. Since you didn't, you are really out of line. (NT) -- x, 13:25:56 07/25/02 Thu
      • Yup,you are right. If you pick an off-the-rack design that's what you get. Go for a custom design, you pay a little more but it will be unique. (NT) -- 6th PK dress in the pipeline, 15:19:10 07/25/02 Thu
  • Re: If you live in the US on the East coast, You could see some of his dresses first hand that i have for sale.I am his US Rep. -- EA, 18:52:15 08/13/02 Tue

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• REEL PACIFIC -- Jane, 20:33:45 08/07/02 Wed
  I have just put up a Message Board called REEL PACIFIC for people from all over the world to come & have a visit with the dancers & mentors of the Pacific Northwest & Beautiful British Columbia.
  
  The link is http://voy.com/101937/
  
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• sry i lost my bookmarks -- sry to bother you all, 10:14:07 08/04/02 Sun
  Im really sry but Could anyone tell me what the url for the main message board is sry i lost my book marks and this is the only one i didnt have memorized and i post about my dress and shoes for sale but i didnt leave my e-mail so i need the url to check if anyone has replyed . thanx in advance ~!
  

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  • http://www.voy.com/60473/ (NT) -- :), 19:59:16 08/07/02 Wed

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• anyone selling a solo dress? -- Kelly, 18:44:00 07/23/02 Tue
  hi my name is Kelly and I am a prizewinner dancer looking for a solo dress. If anyone knows where i can get a cheap solo dress or used solo dress please contact me. I am twelve years old and my measurements in inches are~
  Chest-35in
  waist-32in
  back neck bone to waist- 15in
  sleeve-17in
  skirt length- 18in
  shoulder to shoulder-17 in
  thank you and if you have any info please contact me at irish_dancer_kelly@yahoo.com
  thank you!
  

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  • Try the dance again website www.dance-again.com -- .marg, 06:32:53 08/05/02 Mon
  • try here....many used dresses and misc for sale... (NT) -- www.geocities.com/dancerexchange/, 21:39:21 08/05/02 Mon

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• Butler-Fearon Moms? -- dancer, 21:36:24 07/30/02 Tue
  I am in need to contact one of your moms. I wish to speak with Maura Gavin. Could you please advise me how to reach her either by email or have her contact me as soon as possible. If you send me your email I will send you mine and you can relay the message to her. Thank You
  

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• Oakville Feis has reached their cap and ALL entries are now CLOSED. If you wish to make any changes to your paid entry you must do so by August 14, 2002. Please note, there will be NO CHANGES on the day of feis. Your cooperation is appreciated. -- oakvillefeis@sympatico.ca, 11:21:37 07/26/02 Fri
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• General debate & discussion board -- Moderator, 03:44:54 07/24/02 Wed
  Due to the success of the ID debate board, I've opened a new, general debate board for other topics.
  
  www.voy.com/99085/
  
  Any and all topics are welcomed. Please take a look.
  

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• Moving looking for new school in DC area -- Moving to MD, 06:39:03 06/08/02 Sat
  We are moving in the summer to the metro DC area. Our son has danced for 7 years, he is 13 years old. He is Prelim, and has danced in the Oireachtas and the Nationals. He loves dancing.
  
  What schools do you recommend and not recommend - it would be great if the school actively participates in the Oireachtas and the Nationals and know how to encourage boys.
  
  You can email me privately if it would be easier - or post - either is fine.
  

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  • I suggest the Culkin School -- A Culkin Girl Mom, 16:23:04 06/08/02 Sat
  • There are several -- O'Neill-James Dancer, 05:26:39 06/10/02 Mon
  • some thoughts . . . -- local yokel, 05:29:02 06/10/02 Mon
  • Greater DC area schools -- helpful hint, 17:48:49 06/11/02 Tue
    • Who? -- anon, 05:48:43 06/12/02 Wed
      • charging for test classes -- helpful hinter, 07:37:35 06/12/02 Wed
        • But if you think about it, if you took a class (whether you were there to enroll for future lessons or not) you still took a class - why would you feel you shouldn't have to pay for it? (NT) -- ?, 07:23:46 07/22/02 Mon
  • Websites that may be of interest -- A Different Culkin Mom, 08:06:53 06/12/02 Wed

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• Updates to Fiona's Exchange -- Fiona, 21:12:10 07/13/02 Sat
  Hi everyone, just letting you know that I have added 4 new solo dresses for sale plus a shoes ad to Fiona's Exchange. Dresses are on page 2, 4 and 5, and shoes are in the Shoes section. I am also at this time waiting for someone to send in 3 more dresses ads. Please remember that if you ever want to see the updates on my site (new additions, etc) scroll to the bottom. I only post messages on the boards when I have 3 or more things put up at one time, so I sometimes will put 1 or 2 up and not make a notice. Please come check them out!
  
  (Remember, if some pics don't load or you get a notice about data transfer exceeding...(whatever!)...please check back the next day or a few hours later. Please email me if you have a dance costume/shoes/misc for sale.
  
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  Fiona's Exchange: www.geocities.com/dancerexchange/
  

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• Sorry for posting her name but i'm concerned -- ERmom, 14:04:44 06/23/02 Sun
  I heard from another message board that Taylor Kerrane of the Petri School broke her foot!! The people on the other board were unsure if it was a break or just badly hurt. With the NAN's right around the corner, i hope shes okay and able to dance! My hearts breaking for the poor kid.
  

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  • Rumor has it hairline fracture and she will be dancing at Nationals. (NT) -- ., 06:23:49 06/29/02 Sat
    • Congratulations to Taylor ~ 5th place with a hairline fracture and all!! Thats wonderful! (NT) -- Congratulations kiddo!, 23:07:25 07/12/02 Fri

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• I'm the mom who asked for some input a few weeks back. Just thought I'd update you guys on what we decided to do. My dd didn't compete, but we had a great time with our dancing friends in Boston anyway. Now she's ready to get back into dancing and prepare for the Oireachtas. Hope all of you had a great Nationals & met your personal goals. -- Unsure Mom, 15:39:17 07/09/02 Tue
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  • Thats really wonderful. Best of luck to her at the Oireachtas! (NT) -- Sara, 18:48:19 07/10/02 Wed
  • Hi! I'm one of the mums who replied to your original post. Sounds like things worked out for the best even though she didn't dance.I'm currently having to sit out our British Nationals as one of my kids is ill-not the one due to dance but her sister.It's disappointing but we're focusing on the Gt.Britain's now instead.Good luck to your dd for the O. (NT) -- English mum, 06:38:14 07/12/02 Fri

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• When results are out tonite -- dancer goin on friday,,, 06:37:40 07/04/02 Thu
  
  Could someone who mayb has a lab top report us the results from u18 u11 and u10 thanx a buch and when i get there friday ill keep u posted~!
  

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• Hardshoe.com Spring Special -- jessica@hardshoe.com, 13:26:08 05/12/02 Sun
  Hardshoe.com is excited about our spring special! Any one of select dance CD's for $16.50US - INCLUDING SHIPPING IN US OR CAN! Included in this special are Mike Shaffer's hot new CD "Rhythm & Roots"! Also, this is your last chance to get your socks for $4.75 a pair! On Wednesday, May 15th the price goes up to $4.99 a pair. Of course, since shipping is included, this is still the best deal around! Check us out at www.hardshoe.com!
  

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  • With your aggressive postings, I'm beginning to think that I never even want to check out your site. It's a real turn-off. Please think about your ways of promoting your product. (NT) -- GCW, 18:46:23 05/28/02 Tue
  • There are other places that offer good prices on CDs and don't stoop to spamming a board. (NT) -- Don't recall the name but it was in Atlanta., 18:03:57 06/28/02 Fri

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• Anyone know when the cut-off date for sign-ups for the Long Island Feis [aug4th] is? Or might you know an email address or website that i can get information about where it is an so fourth. Thanks for your help in advance. -- Sara, 11:51:02 06/21/02 Fri
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  • I believe the cut off date is July 13, after that you need a $5 late fee, July 21 is the latest they will accept any entries. If you want the info. email me with what you need and I can send you the info since I have the syllabus (NT) -- Kerri, 13:47:07 06/25/02 Tue
  • Re: Anyone know when the cut-off date for sign-ups for the Long Island Feis [aug4th] is? Or might you know an email address or website that i can get information about where it is an so fourth. Thanks for your help in advance. -- Bridget, 17:53:59 06/28/02 Fri
  • ReLongng Island Feis [aug4th] is? . -- Mary, 18:03:56 06/28/02 Fri

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• This is meant as a warning to parents of ID who buy via the internet from overseas companies - Don't buy from Born To Dance which is based in Waterford, Ireland -- Judith, 00:49:11 06/28/02 Fri
  Firstly Good luck to all competing at NAN's
  
  Secondly the main reason I'm posting is
  I just wanted to warn you all that there are obviously companies selling irish dance products out there who feel we can be ripped off. I don't want the same to happen to you.
  On 8 May I ordered some ID products (to be sent airmail to New Zealand) from Born To Dance in Waterford Ireland. I received back from them a 'Confirmation of Order' email which stated that my order would be airmailed as soon as possible. On 22 May I received another email stating that my order had been sent.
  The problem is I have never received my order. They did not send me a "Tracking ID Number" so I can't track it. On 4 June I sent them an email asking for this tracking number - no reply to that. On 10 June sent them another asking for tracking ID number - no reply.
  Waited another 10 days - no reply to emails so I rang the number on their website - answer phone kicked in left a very polite message - could someone please ring me explained who I was and gave them my order ID number - no response. I have since sent emails, phoned, left messages but all to no avail.
  I have been in contact with World Pay who processed the transaction. They advised me to get in touch with my Credit Company which I will do.
  I checked their web site last night - They stated that they guarantee my satisfaction - if they think that this total lack of service is satisfaction then their idea of service and satisfaction leave a whole lot to be desired.
  Below is copied straight from their website:
  “Guarantee
  
  We guarantee your satisfaction.”
  
  My advice to you is DO NOT use this company. The cost of irish dancing gear for our kids is expensive enough without being ripped off.
  I've bought via the 'net' before and had no problems at all with product delivery or charges etc.
  I would appreciate anyone else's comments on this or if you have dealt with this company - what was your experience like.
  I wish I could say I feel better now but they have really annoyed me.
  

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• Horgan July feis -- Anne, 07:23:43 06/08/02 Sat
  Has this feis been cancelled? I have emailed, mailed and called and still no syllabus. Does anyone have any info? Thanks.
  

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  • I just found the syllabus on their web site. http://www.angelfire.com/ct/horganacademy/ (NT) -- DM, 05:44:09 06/10/02 Mon
    • That is most incredible syllabus I have ever seen. On the one hand, it's a reasonable family max if it included admission for family, yet, there is no food or beverages, no true breakdown of the competitions, no marks will be given, but they will post a schedule and I bet they will run on time! (NT) -- I'm amazed., 10:47:05 06/10/02 Mon
  • $9 per solo dance. That is high. -- x, 07:54:13 06/10/02 Mon
    • $9 per solo dance?!?!?! yikes!! what is the championship entry fee? i always knew the horgan's were more expensinve than anyone else (NT) -- but this is extreme, 09:23:29 06/10/02 Mon
      • prelim/open champ is $35.00!!!!! (NT) -- Yikes!, 07:45:03 06/11/02 Tue
  • ACK! -- Kerri, 16:03:16 06/10/02 Mon
    • Okay folks, this is a no brainer. DO NOT support this price gouging mentality! I suspect that they raised the prices this high so people don't go, and their kids can do better - well, fine, let them! As for me, I won't just keep pouring money into the hands of people who operate this way. It's wrong and I won't support it. -- MY ADVICE - SKIP THIS ONE, 18:22:21 06/10/02 Mon
      • This is outrageous! They have always been the highest priced feis in the region and now this! -- Skipping this one., 07:48:46 06/11/02 Tue
      • While I admit I almost fainted when I saw $35 for Open champs, think about it- their April feis cost me $37, for marks, one adult entry, treble reel & Open comp. This $35 covers entry for all family member, could save some people lots of money. The thing I don't like is that they haven't said what ages Open Champs will be split in yet, plus they're back in teh roller rink again! -- I'll have to think about this one., 10:35:02 06/11/02 Tue
      • Well said! I can't make sense of this one! LOL! No Marks? They don't provide comp. # ? It's wrong and I won't support it. -- Mooooo!!!, 19:59:40 06/11/02 Tue
  • Feis prices -- anon, 04:54:36 06/11/02 Tue
    • yes, but are there feises in the DC area that charge this much? also, there are many other competitions in a 75 mile radius, and they don't charge near this much; the horgans have the same expenses as everyone else (NT) -- new englander, 18:31:42 06/11/02 Tue
    • Please.. It is pure greed ! They do 4 a year w/ the highest fees around- No Marks? Make your own #? Whats the message? -- $- How can you support it?, 19:56:49 06/11/02 Tue
    • There is a feis two weeks before this one that charges $20 for registration - same area. the day after the Horgan feis is the Big E feis, this is within a 90 minute drive and they don't charge anything near $35 registration. no food, no entry cards, bring your own chairs? what a joke. -- let the Horgan kids win- skip the feis., 22:18:54 06/11/02 Tue
      • what horgan kids? i heard many left last year and are again leaving this year -- what's going on?, 18:21:20 06/24/02 Mon
        • Come to think about it , does Horgan compete (more) -- boarder, 14:20:01 06/25/02 Tue
          • they had at least one dancer in the U16 age group, but she didn't place; you almost never ever see their dancers at other feises (NT) -- former Horgan mom, 09:18:43 06/26/02 Wed
        • Re: what horgan kids? - Photo on website is of dancers that left the school 1 to 2 years ago! (NT) -- dd dances against these kids. They're with other schools now, 17:52:22 06/25/02 Tue

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• UNDER 21 LADIES -- CAITIE'S MOM, 09:33:32 06/14/02 Fri
  I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOU MAIDS HAVE YOUNGER DD'S- BUT WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THE LADIES UNDER 21 AT THE NATIONALS? The Senior Ladies under 21 comp is going to be awesome at Nationals, but there are just so many good dancers for the top spots- who do you think will make top three? There's Nicole Rankin, Siobhan Mackin, Katie Ellen Hughes, Jaime Lynn Crowley, Maggie Revis, Deidre Faughnan, Whitney Burke, and those are a only a few Americans! What do you think?
  

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  • Deidre Faughnan is from my school, she sub-ed for my teachers when they went away, she seems like a very good dancer. trinity tours and all! (NT) -- dancergirl, 18:59:32 06/16/02 Sun
  • I think that you shouldn't print the names of all these girls and then ask for comments about them! (NT) -- That's what I think!, 15:46:22 06/22/02 Sat
    • I AGREE -- an internet MB is NOT the place for this sort of discussion. (NT) -- PLEASE do NOT post comments about individual dancers., 08:28:03 06/23/02 Sun
    • What's the problem? -- xx, 13:31:34 06/25/02 Tue

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• I need some input from other ID parents here. I'll post my dilemma in the first reply -- Unsure Mom, 10:39:04 06/07/02 Fri
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  • Okay, here goes (& please if you can't be helpful, don't attack!) -- Unsure Mom, 10:57:53 06/07/02 Fri
    • Re: Okay, here goes (& please if you can't be helpful, don't attack!) -- Sara, 14:37:34 06/07/02 Fri
    • If I were in this situation, I would take the teacher's advice and bring everything with you just in case. Once you're in the setting, with the adrenaline pumping, she might decide to "go for it" and you'd want to be prepared. If not, then no harm done. (NT) -- feismom, 20:00:00 06/07/02 Fri
    • Why would you want to bully her anyway? -- just don't get it., 20:07:47 06/08/02 Sat
      • I DON'T want to bully her. I guess I'm just oversensitive to those who think I should including my mother,who thinks I'm wasting money (my husband has no problem with it). We're going and enjoying Boston! She's been looking forward to it since Toronto. I think the best way to keep her focused on getting back up to speed is to let her stay as involved with dancing and her friends as she wants. I posted my original message on a bad day (more) -- We'll see everyone in Boston, one way or other, 07:21:41 06/10/02 Mon
      • Well, you know people vary. Some people need a bit of bullying because by nature they are hesitant and reluctant to take risks. Others are naturally risk-takers and may need to be reigned in a bit. That's how I see it, anyway. (NT) -- AnotherMom, 17:33:33 06/14/02 Fri
    • wow, this sounds so much like our situation! (more inside) -- IDMum, 09:38:30 06/10/02 Mon
      • Thanks for your encouragement. Her teacher will be there and we've decided to just take it day by day & see what happens. Hope everything with your dd works out as well. We can trade war stories after the NANs. (NT) -- Good Luck!, 11:03:52 06/10/02 Mon
        • what age group is your dd? maybe they could meet and encourage each other; mine's U17A, dancing friday (NT) -- IDMum, 13:30:29 06/10/02 Mon
    • Go to Boston - Enjoy - Hit the practice room and see what happens!! Sounds like your dancer is in the older age groups - cannot force them to do anything they are not comfortable with. (NT) -- Dance Mom, 21:04:06 06/17/02 Mon
  • If she's old enough to make her own decision, then let her make it...and STOP listening to other people. It's ONLY dance for heavens sakes! (NT) -- sk, 11:17:10 06/07/02 Fri
    • I agree, it is only dance and what is the big deal if she skips the Nationals? In my opinion, the girl is not ready to dance and you're just forcing the issue. Let her alone. She's not ready. You're right, you're NOT the dancer. (NT) -- ., 20:05:41 06/08/02 Sat
      • No, it isn't only dance. As a child I did ballet and while it may have been "only dance" my success in it had a lot to do with my self-confidence and self-image. The decisions we made about what shows I did; what workshops I attended in retrospect were decisions that changed the course of my life. (NT) -- It is a lot more than dance., 17:36:30 06/14/02 Fri
  • I totally agree with her teacher & feismom. Go there,be prepared but let her make the decision.I get the feeling from your posting that is probably what you would be happiest with too. Coming back from injury is tough and scary. The O is a good thing to aim for in the longer term.Do try to ignore all the negativity!As to the poster who said it is only dancing,most dancers put their hearts and souls into it.Good luck! (NT) -- A Maids-eye view, 14:50:16 06/08/02 Sat
    • You're right on all counts! I've just recently discovered the MAIDs online myself, and hope to meet some of you in Boston, because we defnitely think alike. (NT) -- OP, 07:27:15 06/10/02 Mon
  • Re: I need some input from other ID parents here. I'll post my dilemma in the first reply -- Anne, 03:44:11 06/10/02 Mon
  • Hello there you are a very caring parent - and you've got a good 'handle' on the situation! IF your daughter is dancing at a good enough standard take her to Boston, enjoy your holiday, and see what pans out. Don't push her - will rebound on you - I suffered a SEVERE injury when I was 17 and I had to stop ALL dancing and sports for about 6 months, I still danced in our national chanmpionships - I was not fully fit but loved it - so glad I did! (I won the championship!!!)!! (more inside) -- tippy toes, 17:17:00 06/13/02 Thu

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• I saw on another board that the national's time schedule has been posted. I can't see it, but others say it is there. -- check out the web site www.irishdancechampionships.com, 21:51:23 06/13/02 Thu
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• Bubble heals? -- Sara, 14:59:59 06/07/02 Fri
  Since im buying hardshoes [yay!] i have a question.
  Some time ago i heard that bubble heels are not acceptable for feiseanna or classes, ect.
  But i was just on ebay and looked at all the hard's for sale, and the 2 i saw both had bubble heels.
  Was what i read the wrong information?
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  • You are not allowed to wear bubble heels in competitions. They are worn quite a lot by show dancers and display dancers, that's probably why there are a few around. The ones on ebay might be from ppol who bought them before they heard the rule. (NT) -- desert dancer, 05:50:09 06/08/02 Sat

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• Flights to Boston for Nationals -- ECR dancer, 09:27:42 04/25/02 Thu
  I just inquired with Air Canada about getting a flight from Toronto to Boston with Departure July 3rd and returning on the 7th. They tell me they are sold out. Could someone please tell me how they are flying out if they are leaving from Toronto and the cost?? Thank you
  

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  • Re: Flights to Boston for Nationals -- trisha, 18:44:11 06/03/02 Mon

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• A mixed emotion message -- Sara, 08:03:14 06/01/02 Sat
  Hey everyone.. i've been invited to join the advanced beginner class!!! (as well as the class i've been taking)
  I've been dancing such a short time, i cant believe it! I'm in need of hardshoes now, already! Does anyone who where i can go to purchase a pair of hardshoes in the Long Island / 5 borough area of New York? I would order online but my mother wants me to try them on (shes still not too thrilled about the whole shoe thing, she wants me to wait till september to see if i want to do things after school at my new school, i told her i'd rather dance and she told me i didnt think it through even tho i explained to her that i did).
  For the unhappier note, as i mentioned, im going to High School in september. The school ends at 5:00, and it takes 30-45 mins to get home (rush-hour in NY. And my dance class starts at 6:00!! I dont know how im going to pull that off.
  
  But at least i can be happy with dancing and have no worries until then!
  
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  • Congrats!!! anyway, personally, I would contact Patrick Fay: Fays Dancing Shoes (914-237-1435) (NT) -- we have never been disappointed with him, 08:10:06 06/01/02 Sat
  • You must be doing great! Most places let you return the shoes if the fit isn't right. Just don't dance in them and wear them on carpet until you are sure. -- a mom, 11:27:36 06/01/02 Sat
  • You could try on the dance again website - sometimes there are shoes what are brand new or nearly brand new and there might be someone in that area... check it out :-) (and congratulations, as well as good luck!) (NT) -- www.dance-again.com, 19:49:52 06/02/02 Sun
  • Why not try to go to a feis & buy from a shoe vendor there? In your area, there are lots of feises this time of year. Also, ask around your school; maybe someone has a used pair to sell. (NT) -- Call Pat Fay & he'll tell you what feises he'll be at, 06:20:32 06/03/02 Mon

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• has anyone seen the "debate" about the nationals on the voy.com/60473/ board? it starts with Dear nationals committee. -- interesting stuff - what do you all think is best?, 07:16:56 05/21/02 Tue
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  • What an awful situation so many people are in. We're not going but am getting insight here. I would take into consideration the amount of money and distance for the trip. Arguing and complaining about it won't do them any good. (NT) -- Good luck to all!, 22:00:25 05/23/02 Thu

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• Troubled Dancer -- Sara (the confused ghillie girl), 06:30:08 04/17/02 Wed
  Hi, its me Sara again.
  I have a new problem, besides for my ghillies. My mom truely hates Irish Dancing, with a strong passion! I begged my mom for over a year to let me take lessons, in march she finally gave in. But she keeps telling me its only a one time thing. I've saved up almost $300 of babysitting money(which keeps increasing by the week) to pay for shoes and other dancing necessities. And as long as she lets me go, im willing to pay for everything i need. But she really does hate it. And we've spoke about feiseanna, and to that shes 100% against. Time and time again she tells me that i will never be allowed to go. Part of her problem is that im Jewish, but i've told her about asian dancers, african american dancers, and indian dancers that are great and win all types of awards but she still says she doesnt care, and that im not going. Since you all are parents... help me! Please, im desperate!!! I love dancing sooo much!
  -Sara
  

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  • Sorry! You would do better to write Dear Abby. It's your parent's money! -- busy signal, 10:30:27 04/17/02 Wed
    • That was unnecessary -Sara said she was paying for everything. Sara, we are not Irish and my daughter has been dancing for 9 years. Has your mother been to a recital or show. Perhaps she will see your happiness and realize how much you enjoy it. Going to a feis is not necessary - Neither my daughter nor I enjoy that aspect of Irish dancing. Let us know how it goes -- x, 18:12:49 04/17/02 Wed
    • Re: Sorry! You would do better to write Dear Abby. It's your parent's money! -- Sara, 14:17:59 04/19/02 Fri
  • Sara, Could it be that your mother is worried about religion? Some people see Catholics as being way out there, religiously. Maybe she needs to know that you're not going to let your own religious and cultural identity be affected by this. (NT) -- Just a thought., 20:15:13 04/18/02 Thu
  • Hi--try to reassure her that you don't need to be catholic or irish to do the dancing. Your abilities -- a mom, 07:10:46 04/19/02 Fri
  • Re: Troubled Dancer -- Amber Murray, 15:55:00 04/21/02 Sun
    • My sons friends went through this...... -- ., 00:55:12 04/23/02 Tue
      • Ceili Cat -- Ashe, 14:57:16 04/23/02 Tue
  • Re: Troubled Dancer -- jiggymom, 22:21:53 04/22/02 Mon
  • My daughter is very involved in ID and we are jewish. Yes, at times we feel very out of place but... -- some of our experience, 15:12:02 05/02/02 Thu
    • As an American Irish Catholic, I wonder if you came into ID knowing that it's background was (at the very least) Christian? -- I am PROUD that my daughter has a place (more), 14:27:43 05/18/02 Sat
      • Re: As an American Irish Catholic -- Sara, 14:45:38 05/21/02 Tue
        • Sara, I do NOT think I my post was rude. I clearly said I admired Judaism and it was wrong to be 'put down' for her faith. I encouraged her to share her religion to gain a common understanding. I was raised in a mostly Jewish community and I DO understand and respect your faith. -- Please do not judge me. (more)..., 17:08:31 05/21/02 Tue
  • How did it go, Sara??? (NT) -- one of the concerned moms, 22:42:38 05/05/02 Sun
  • Sara, give your mom time to get accustomed to the idea of you dancing at all before jumping into a feis. If you've only been dancing for a year you still have time. I know you want to compete but if you push too hard you may not be allowed to dance at all. Patience usually pays off.(more...) -- patient dancer & mom, 10:26:34 05/07/02 Tue

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• Nation's Capital Feis -- Jody, 15:16:06 05/13/02 Mon
  The syllabus is out -- for those of you who have dancers in Prelims and Championships, note that the older age groups are dancing first.
  If you can't get a copy of the syllabus from your TCRG, feel free to e-mail me your snail mail address and I can send you one. I have a bunch of extra copies I got from Laureen O'Neill-James.
  

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  • It's also online -- Jody, 05:07:03 05/17/02 Fri

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• urgently in need of dress -- reelmom, 14:24:26 05/04/02 Sat
  Is there anyone out there selling a non-velvet dress? Waist 25,chest 23. Thank you!
  

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  • where are you located? I have a Silk dress that might be that small for sale. Black dress with scarlet and gold. (NT) -- Gina Foster, 19:36:55 05/04/02 Sat
    • Gina, thank you for your email, I really do appreciate it. Sorry the dress was too big! Best of luck! (NT) -- OP, 20:21:54 05/05/02 Sun
  • Dress for Sale -- MOM, 17:42:57 05/16/02 Thu

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• Update from Sara -- Sara, 14:33:11 05/08/02 Wed
  Hi, It's Sara(confused ghillie girl)
  First of all, i'd like to thank all of you for replying and giving me advice. Dancing class is going great :) With only a little bit more than a month's dancing experience, i can do the first 2 steps in both light jig, reel, and the "side step" in the slip jig. I could do them all in my sleep! I know them inside out. I spend all my time online reading websites about ID, i know everything there is to know! I practice with my brand new ghillies aprox. every other day. But im constantly doing steps throughout the day and not realizing that i am. Last night i filled out the form for hardshoes! (im unsure of the size so i left that out-if anyone wants to help im a size 9.5 american dress shoe)since the form said it'll take 4-6 weeks to get to me, i figured/hoped i'd be in Advanced Beginner and needing them around that time. As for my mom, she hasnt really said much recently, although she did mention last week that i'm doing a lot better since the last time she watched me dance in class. :) She sees me practicing all the time, she watches over my shoulder when i read the websites, she knows when im watching my "irish" tape (which is like 2-5 times a week!!) cuz she tells me to turn the volume down hehe. [the tape consists of 2 performances that my school did on TV, 2nd half of Riverdance, part of the St.Patricks day parade-bagpipes and all!, and behind the scences/making the shoe of Riverdance]. I hope she learns to except it and knows my love for it sooner than later. Thanks again for your help. I'd also reaaally appreciate it if u kept Israel in your prayers, they need as much help as they can get.
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  • hardshoe sizing: usually the same size as the ghillies, or a bit smaller! they should be snug, cuz they'll stretch... see if there's someone at school who's shoes you could try on, or ask your teacher - s/he might also have used shoes (which will be cheaper!) (NT) -- Christy, 17:13:39 05/08/02 Wed
  • Dear Sara -- ID mom, 12:12:58 05/09/02 Thu
  • I'm so happy for you, Sara! Thanks for writing again. I hope that you read the last note in your message below--good advice from a mom. As for shoes... -- one of the moms, 21:36:08 05/09/02 Thu

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• Further dilemma post: hi there - just letting you know I have not made any further decisions on whether to continue with teaching assistance/TCRG focus at present - dancing class on holidays so am enjoying my time away from things for a while - and the weather! - I'm still not entirely happy with the way things are happening in the dancing class. I just thought I would say thanks again for the kind words from other posters and I will keep you posted on what happens! -- tippy toes, 21:17:32 04/10/02 Wed
  it's very hard to stay motivated when students parents and teacher all take your work, time and energy for granted. it's not easy to keep constantly up/smiling/energised for students when there's problems with bad behaviour from some students and their parents!!! it's nice to have a siesta from all of this at the moment!
  

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  • Hang in there!! We had some badly behaved kids in our school with some nightmare parents. Our teacher remained utterly serene throghout though she must have been seething inside. Eventually they all moved on to make trouble elsewhere. We are a very small school and the drop in numbers was tough but there is a much happier atmosphere now. There will always be troublemakers, it goes with the territory of kids in a competitive actvity. But you & the good kids will survive! (NT) -- Just a mum, 14:47:24 04/11/02 Thu
    • Dear JUST A MUM!!!! - which is disparaging of your wit, patience and sincerity - mothers are IMPORTANT! it's very hard to put up with 'bad children' when they and their parents are so 'in' with the teacher - and the child is about 8 or 9 and sways the other children around her...it's just HORRID her older sister is just as DANGEROUS!!! but I nonchalantly don't show this at dancing! I seethe UNDERNEATH!!!! thanks "JUST A MUM"!!! (NT) -- tippy toes, 17:46:23 04/11/02 Thu
      • Dear Tippy Toes...this is just a little something to think about. As a teacher you will have to deal with all types of children: sweet, quiet, noisy, nasty, etc. Their parents are no different. When you are in something as competitive as Irish Dance you had best learn to be diplomatic, strong willed and "unyeilding" (on many issues) all at the same time. Think of this as practice for the future. If you cannot deal with these "brats" and their parents now.... (NT) -- How will you do it when it is your school?, 12:20:36 05/09/02 Thu
  • I agree - be patient. I almost pulled my daughter out of her school because there were some parents and children who were monopolizing the teacher. They left and what a difference. Hope things work for you. (NT) -- x, 09:00:39 04/12/02 Fri

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• Sick of paying $7.00 for your daughter's socks? -- jessica@hardshoe.com, 12:56:19 05/07/02 Tue
  Hi, my name is Jessica and I work for a company called Hardshoe.com. As a new sales site we have lots of work yet to do but I think it would be worth checking us out now. Have you noticed that the price of socks keeps climbing and is now near $7.00! As Irish Dancers ourselves, we think this is ridiculous! Our socks are currently priced at $4.75 a pair INCLUDING SHIPPING! And while the manufacturer has recently increased our cost we will only be increasing the price to $4.99 a pair STILL INCLUDING SHIPPING! This will be happening on May 15th so get them now at the lower price! Also, buy more, save more. We also have great deals on CDs and ornaments and will soon have bloomers, tights and shoes – including a new, patent pending leather and neoprene padded ghillie by Feis-Mates that feels Oh, So Good! We are also always open for suggestions. So check us out at Hardshoe.com or email me at Jessica@hardshoe.com .
  

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• Our family is considering a move to the Albany, NY area in the next six months. I have found three schools in that area (the Boland School, the Campbell School and the Michael Farrell School). Does anyone know of any others (within 45 minutes)? Also, what has been your experience with these schools? Finally, my dd is novice/PW and currently takes classes 2-4 times per week depending on the season. How many times do these schools meet at this level. Thanks for any info. -- May be moving, 10:41:54 02/07/02 Thu
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  • Michael Farrell is a great teacher. I think that Karl Drake teaches in Western Massachusetts not to far from Albany. I have heard wonderful things about Drake School being top southern school from other boards. I think they are drakedance.com (NT) -- ....., 10:43:42 02/12/02 Tue
  • Re: Our family is considering a move to the Albany, NY area in the next six months. I have found three schools in that area (the Boland School, the Campbell School and the Michael Farrell School). Does anyone know of any others (within 45 minutes)? Also, what has been your experience with these schools? Finally, my dd is novice/PW and currently takes classes 2-4 times per week depending on the season. How many times do these schools meet at this level. Thanks for any info. -- downstatemom, 11:04:57 02/13/02 Wed
  • Re: Our family is considering a move to the Albany, NY area in the next six months. I have found three schools in that area (the Boland School, the Campbell School and the Michael Farrell School). Does anyone know of any others (within 45 minutes)? Also, what has been your experience with these schools? Finally, my dd is novice/PW and currently takes classes 2-4 times per week depending on the season. How many times do these schools meet at this level. Thanks for any info. -- nef, 19:05:51 03/19/02 Tue
  • I live in Saratoga Springs, NY (40 min from Albany) and have the pleasure of being the only adult student on the Campbell School (more...) -- Jessica, 11:09:31 05/07/02 Tue

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• Dress Size 4-6year old -- Mandy, 02:51:52 05/06/02 Mon
  We have a dress available Purple silk with dragonflys and bees in pink,silver and mint. (sydney Australia )will send measurements and picture if required. Worn 3 times and had growth spurt.
  

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• More opinions please. -- ea, 16:21:02 04/23/02 Tue
  I just had some t shirts made up, and was wondering what you all thought about them. Have a look if you don't mind.
  www.geocities.com/odonnellirishdancingkids and click on the link "prints for sale"
  

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  • Re: I like them! Unique. there are also some dresses on this site. -- nni, 18:34:17 05/04/02 Sat

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• www.AineDesignsIreland.com -- Amy, 15:32:15 04/16/02 Tue
  Have you seen all the new dresses that Aine Designs have on offer. What do you think? They are fab.
  
  www.AineDesignsIreland.com
  

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  • I like these dresses, but I think that some of the colors don't have enough of a contrast to really jump out at you. I also don't like the fact that it would be easy to pick out the designer's work because the designs are very similar. (NT) -- I really like a couple of them though, 19:59:47 04/20/02 Sat
    • You can't be serious! They are beautiful!! The designs on just one page are all different from the rest! (NT) -- They are stunning!, 11:38:08 04/25/02 Thu
      • The OP did ask for opinions; and that's mine. I respect yours. (NT) -- ., 17:52:16 04/30/02 Tue

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• Solo Dress For Sale -- NE Mom, 20:16:08 04/29/02 Mon
  This dress was custom made in Ireland by Siopa Rince...The dress is fluorsent yellow gabradine and a metallic greenish-blue rawsilk two tone, with bright orange lining. It would fit a young dancer between the ages of 9 and 12. The dress is only a year old, the dancer that wore the dress has just grown out of it. If you are interested, please e-mail me for a picture and the exact measurements and price.
  

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• opinions please -- ea, 14:05:20 04/16/02 Tue
  would you be willing to pay $10us for the day to hang your 2nd hand dress on a dress rack of a vendor that would be attended at all times by someone, who would make sure your dress was handled properly, collect the money/payment/ with driver's license number etc. THe dress would be kept in tact with its info. and off the floor, etc. do you feel the $10 is worth the peace of mind?
  

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  • Yes, if I had an almost new dress and it was a large competition such as Nationals, or the Oireachtas, but I would prefer to arrange payments etc myself. -- dancers driver, 12:53:34 04/17/02 Wed
  • Re: what if the feis was 1200 or so dancers?just regular feis. -- op, 15:41:26 04/19/02 Fri
  • Possibly. I don't worry so much about the handling, but I know when I am interested in buying a dress it seems impossible to find the owner. So - yes, if I was really serious about selling I would. (NT) -- Margaret, 16:30:41 04/19/02 Fri
  • Yes, I agree. If it was a big feis and I needed to sell it. No more than $10 though. Are you a vender thinking of offering this? -- greengirl, 22:25:56 04/22/02 Mon
    • Re: Yes, I sell new dresses. I would only offer this service if the Feis did not have any dress rails for people to hang their 2nd hand dresses.... -- ea, 16:15:29 04/23/02 Tue

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• wanted irish dance dress for a 4 year old girl england -- diana ellery, 13:09:06 04/17/02 Wed
  please please, is there any one out there who might have a second hand dance dress for a 4 year old girl. can't find one small enough. bristol area. england
  

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  • as long as she isnt in a high level (which i doubt at that age) she is small enough to wear sundays best while dancing. -- dont worry, 14:33:04 04/23/02 Tue

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• Disabled Dancers -- Scared to say, 06:26:19 03/27/02 Wed
  If you had a child who was physically disabled, but wanted to dance, would you let them? What about competing even if the child couldn't point their toes or turn their feet out as is required? Would you speak to your child's teacher about if the judges should be informed of your child's handicap? Do you think judges should be informed of such things or is it being unfair to the able-bodied dancers? Thanks for your thoughts.
  

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  • Re: Disabled Dancers -- A Dancer's mom, 07:37:24 03/27/02 Wed
  • My thoughts -- another parent, 09:49:25 03/27/02 Wed
    • Could you hire a teenaged dancer (with an interest in teaching) to give your child lessons on a regular basis? A talented teen could adapt the steps to suit the dancer. (NT) -- another parent (again), 10:09:01 03/27/02 Wed
  • It really depends on the degree of disability, and the Irish dance school. Some schools are so competitive that even non disabled kids are pushed to their limits. Some teachers would be fine with a disabled child in the class, but not with him or her competing. So, -- a mom, 12:36:59 03/27/02 Wed
  • Re: Disabled Dancers -- SWMOM, 15:11:06 03/27/02 Wed
  • a dancer at my school... -- mw dancer, 16:17:07 03/27/02 Wed
    • Re: a dancer at my school... -- Ashe, 10:08:10 04/06/02 Sat
      • Re: the second dancer I posted about -- mw dancer again, 20:19:16 04/08/02 Mon
  • My daughter is not disabled, but has not fared well in the competitive side of irish dancing. We do very few feisanna as a result. However, she loves dancing and goes to every performance the teacher invites her to. She has also competed in teams, so there are plenty of opportunities for all dancers. Encourage her to give it a try. My daughter was extremely shy and it has done wonders for her self-esteem. The exercise is great as well. Good luck to her. (NT) -- x, 05:18:51 03/28/02 Thu
  • Would you be willing to post the general geographic area? (NT) -- Might be able to suggest schools if we knew . . ., 07:16:44 03/28/02 Thu
  • A couple of hints -- AnotherMom, 05:03:07 03/31/02 Sun
  • I think *AnotherMom* has put it very well. Similarly the level of competitiveness is very variable in my kids' school ie some kids are at Oireachtas level and some never go to a feis at all. In fact the non-feisers are in the majority. All kids get the chance to do exhibitions if they want. The important fact is that our TCRG treats everyone fairly and equally, so look around and I'm sure you'll find a suitable school. Good luck! -- Justamum, 07:33:08 03/31/02 Sun
  • Re: Disabled Dancers -- A Ballet Teacher turned ID, 09:16:52 04/09/02 Tue
  • Re: Disabled Dancers -- uk dancer, 08:54:38 04/21/02 Sun

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• Dress for sale! -- Sylvie, 07:35:06 04/21/02 Sun
  I am selling my solo dress - main colors white (gabardine) and gold (metallic mesh lame); abstract bird design in purple, navy blue, lime, coral, hotpink and black, embroidery and applique, very shiny and bright, stands out on stage, lots of rhinestones.
  
  Approximate measurements:
  Bust 34/35
  Waist 26/27
  Neck to waist 16
  Skirt length 18 (about 2 inches to let out)
  Upper sleeve length 24
  
  Please email me for further details and pictures. Thanks!
  

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• Fays shoes size 2.5 new worn 3 times (too big) gray suede sole and Milleniun Tips asking $115 inc shipping in US -- JM, 09:02:47 04/20/02 Sat
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• What's the best way to find out about Irish Dance workshops? -- G.C.W., 14:47:11 04/14/02 Sun
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  • Pretty much all workshops are privately organized through teachers, other than camps. I believe there is an open workshop each summer after the Washington DC feis in July, but workshops like those (advertised, open to the public) are few and far between. (NT) -- x, 18:41:25 04/14/02 Sun
  • Irish Fest Summer School (Milwaukee - Aug) is the week prior to our irish fest... Bridget Jaskulski (Glencastle) teaches beg children, Kate Walrath (Cashel-Dennehy) teaches beg/adv adults, and Donny Golden has taught 3 levels (Novice/PW/Champ) for the past ?? years... many other art/music/etc classes available as well... (NT) -- www.irishfest.com for more info, 19:39:14 04/14/02 Sun
    • Thanks. We are signed up for Gaelic Roots in Boston in June and the Milwaukee Summer School in August (that was such a blast for me, as well). I'm not sure that Donny Golden is teaching this year, though : ( I thought that there must be more out there. Thanks for the info.! (NT) -- OP, 20:24:14 04/18/02 Thu

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• Dancer's Dilemma -- Dancer's mom, 10:52:16 04/15/02 Mon
  My daughter has a problem that I would like to present to other parents. She is a decent dancer (she's 10) but she has arthritis in her right knee so the fact that she is able to dance is a huge accomplishment for her. She has recently started placing at the feisaana she has attended and is now competing in novice for all of her soft shoe dances. Her school is relatively new and she has been dancing for 3 years. She really wants to be considered for teams for the orieachtas and was asked to try out last year but did not make a team. The school sends letters to the students asking them to try out. No letter, no try out. The letters were to be mailed last week and she has not been asked to try out although it still may be in the mail. My husband wants me to ask the teacher why she was not considered this year in light of the fact that her dancing has improved. I do not know what to do! My daughter says she does not want me to write to the teacher. She idolizes her and says she would ask her to try out if she felt she was "good enough". The problem is the same kids are going year after year and the teacher does not like to make any changes to existing teams. Fair enough but I wish she could make more teams available for the new comers. Would you approach the teacher? Oh, and one more thing, some of the dancers that are on the teams are not dancing at the same level my daughter is. I do not want this to sound like sour grapes because it isn't. my daughter says she will just keep trying which is a good attitude. She loves to perform and compete so I know she will stick with it. She just wants the opportunity to compete with a team.
  

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  • Dancer's Dilemma -- Dancers' Mum, 15:32:22 04/15/02 Mon
  • Re: Dancer's Dilemma -- AnotherMom, 05:12:53 04/16/02 Tue
  • You must be so proud of your daughter! She sounds like a very special girl, and I hope that she continues to do well in competitons. I don't see (more) -- a mom, 07:36:05 04/16/02 Tue
    • Re: You must be so proud of your daughter! She sounds like a very special girl, and I hope that she continues to do well in competitons. I don't see (more) -- OP, 15:10:08 04/17/02 Wed
  • A polite letter or chat with the dancing teacher wouldn't go amiss pointing out how disappointed your daughter was at not being asked to try-out. Maybe you could suggest to the teacher a "reserve" team that attends practices etc but doesn't get to go to the major feis unless there is a vacancy. This makes it easier for the teacher to replace anyone who is sick etc and also gives your daughter and others the opportunity to prove themselves. -- Dancing Mom, 16:00:11 04/18/02 Thu

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• HELP!! beginner very confused about ghillies -- Sara, 15:27:55 04/12/02 Fri
  Hi everyone. I just started dancing i just got my used-ghillies from my school last night. Im 13 and i wear about a 9.5-10 size american shoe. My school gave me size 6 ghillies. They are hurting my feet so much! Im not sure what size to get, im pretty sure a 7 would do correct? If anyone has a size 7 they're trying to sell please contact me. or if you want used size 6 ghillies please email me.
  Contact me at sbayitchadash@aol.com or nycangelx16@aol.com
  Im so confused!!! HELP!
  
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  • That does seem too small! Usually, it is only about 2 sizes smaller than your regular size. -- dance mom, 15:52:16 04/12/02 Fri
  • If you can buy new, send a tracing of your feet to the company (wearing socks). Let them know if you're still growing. (NT) -- G.C.W., 21:57:15 04/12/02 Fri
  • One of my daughters wears a size 10 American street shoe, and likes a 6 1/2 Pacelli sideloop softshoe. Some dancers just like their shoes very tight for the support. It may be a combination of too small shoes, and the wrong brand of shoes that is causing your foot pain. Different shoes are sized slightly differently, and also are shaped differently. You might need to try several different brands and sizes before you get the right combination. (more) -- a mom, 04:09:40 04/13/02 Sat
  • I normally wear size 7.5- 8 street shoe and my ghilles are a 2.5-3. For most people (unless you have feet problems), the smaller the shoe the better. It may take a while to streach out, but your feet look cleaner, your arches better, and one can get much higher on the toes. -- Hope that put's it into perspective, 22:15:19 04/16/02 Tue

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• Have you seen the Over seas Award! Tim O'hare's school is over the top!! Congratulations to Tim and all of his dancers! -- jiggymom, 07:02:17 04/07/02 Sun
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  • It's a school for the US to be proud of. Congatulations also to Butler-Fearon in Ontario! (NT) -- !!, 05:14:40 04/16/02 Tue

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• Feis Caledonia Hotel Rooms -- Gavan Gal, 13:25:09 04/09/02 Tue
  Just a reminder that time is running out to book your room for Feis Caledonia. Be sure to get your hotel room booked by April 11th for the feis rate of $95. Ask for the "Feis Caledonia rate". Rooms have a 72 hour cancellation policy. The phone number is (714) 750-1811. The hotel is called the West Coast Anaheim hotel and is just a block away from Disneyland.
  

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  • The West Coast Anaheim accidently released our block of rooms early! -- Gavan Gal, 00:00:28 04/14/02 Sun

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• Advice Needed -- Conlicted, 05:49:01 04/01/02 Mon
  My thirteen year old daughter is an extremely talented dancer who fairly quickly worked her way up to Preliminary Championship in a very competitive region. Her success so far is based on her natural talent and that of her teachers who are excellent choreographers.
  
  When my daughter is at class she works hard, she concentrates and puts her all into it. The problem is that we live on a farm in the country and have to drive over an hour to get to class. That means she can only get to class once or at most twice a week.
  
  Apart from class my daughter is completely undisciplined. She will not practice on her own except for five minutes here and there.
  
  The question is should we try and get her to work harder? Should we bribe her to practice with extra privileges or allowance? Or force her to practice by denying privileges or docking allowance if she doesn't?
  
  You should know that she has always been this way with absolutely everything, schoolwork and chores and even out of school activities (4-H, choir and pep squad). Everything except socializing. She just does mediocre unless she is forced or bribed. So far the only things we've really insisted she apply herself to are chores and school. But it just makes me sick to see her throw away all this potential. I also wonder if once forced to work and excel and seeing it pays off, it might help her exert herself in other areas of life as well.
  
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  • She needs a dance buddy. Are there any kids from the dance school she can invite over to practice with? Try buying her a new cd to practice to. Throw in a Feet of Flames video for inspiration. (NT) -- good luck, 19:55:26 04/01/02 Mon
    • We're way out in the middle of nowhere - but the video is a good idea. Thanks! (NT) -- OP, 04:32:33 04/03/02 Wed
  • Why on earth would anyone "bribe" a child to do well at an optional activity like Irish Dancing? If the desire to succeed doesn't come from within the dancer herself, why bother? At what point do you stop "bribing" your child to use their God-given talents and begin to teach them responsibility and accountability? -- anon., 18:22:49 04/02/02 Tue
    • I'll tell you why. While ID is an "optional activity" it is the one where I see her being able to excell, as opposed to just "doing her best". Since she is generally a low-achiever I was wondering if really pushing her in this area might help teach her that hard work pays off. Really trying to do just what you say. Since she's comfortable with being mediocre I don't know where else to go. (NT) -- OP, 04:31:02 04/03/02 Wed
  • It's a dilemma, isn't it? We have been in your position, and I have to tell you that you are walking a really fine line here. Have you ever noticed the drop-out rate from Irish dance among teenagers? -- a mom, 06:17:31 04/03/02 Wed
  • speaking for myself -- adult dancer, 09:54:24 04/03/02 Wed
  • Well, my parents had to force me to practice piano. I remember real scenes with tears, screaming - the works. But I can't thank them enough now for giving me this gift. I'm not a brilliant pianist, but I know being able to play helped me get my teaching job, for example. The bribery might have been better! Or some sort of contract that involved both carrot and stick approach. (NT) -- Margaret, 16:09:59 04/03/02 Wed
  • We had a similar problem -- Dancing Mother, 18:34:37 04/03/02 Wed
  • you could be describing my dd too! -- inside for more..., 05:44:35 04/04/02 Thu
  • We have a verbal contract -- a mom, 14:32:04 04/10/02 Wed
    • Re: We have a verbal contract -- Nurse Mom, 11:28:16 04/11/02 Thu
  • I live in the country and I put a lot of driving in to get her to classes every week. She's very active in Girl Scouts and Life Teen, but dance is her #1 priority (besides being in Honors classes - Jr in HS). So, I commute to the city 4 times a week - around 45 to 55 miles 1 way depending on where the classes are.. She's in Prelims & taking her to classes is a joy.. She plans on being a doctor specializing either in Sports or Orthopedics PLUS being an Irish Dance teacher.. (NT) -- xxxx, 23:02:04 04/11/02 Thu
    • Forgot to mention she practices on her own - If I force the issue when I think she's not practicing enough, she won't practice. When she finds the time "ON HER OWN" she works for an hour and enjoys that hour... So, I've learned... let her practice on her own..When she doesn't practice, it does show and she gets a talk by her teacher.. so, then she gets the message & hits the dance floor in the garage.. (NT) -- xxxx, 23:06:19 04/11/02 Thu

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• Help! curling the hair -- JBachner, 08:11:12 01/22/02 Tue
  Help! My 8 year old daughter will be in her first Feis next month in Nashville. I need your help with her hair! I tried it on Saturday, well, she looked like Shirley Temple only after she put her finger in the electrical socket! We were horrified. I tried it again on Monday, a little better. Her hair is past her shoulders and it shrunk up to her ears! Is there is a kind soul out there who can please let me know how to do this? I would prefer her not to wear a wig, this is all part of the experience. In general, how many Soft Spikes do you use? She has very fine (thin) hair that naturally goes into ringlets when drying by itself. Please help! Thank you in advance.
  

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    • Re: did you leave the curls "as is" or did you try splitting them? -- JBachner, 08:55:55 01/22/02 Tue
  • My daughter has thick, coarse hair. I put in anywhere between 85 and 100 curlers. I know people who use far more. Her hair is quite long about 3/4 the way down her back. After curling, it is at her shoulders or a little below. Many competitors have that Shirley Temple look. If she has natural ringlets, why don't you leave them as is? I think natural ringlets on beginners look absolutely adorable and not overdone. -- Another momtoo, 08:57:49 01/22/02 Tue
  • Re: Help! curling the hair -- JBachner, 09:12:23 01/22/02 Tue
    • use a stying gel or mousse, and get perm wraps for the ends. I usually split my daughter's hair very slowly with the end of a comb, (you know one of those pointy ones) unfortunately the hair is always gonna look much shorter when curled, but should fall some after the curlers are out for a while (NT) -- hope this helps, 09:54:19 01/22/02 Tue
    • For looser curls, use more hair in the spikes and less spikes. For tightest ringlets, use small amounts of hair and LOTS of spikes. -- This is from memory-we wig it now., 10:31:11 01/22/02 Tue
    • I agree, more hair in each curl. Also, not so much gel or light mousse only if her hair holds curls well. It will fall during the first 2 hours--believe me. -- mom, 11:33:56 01/22/02 Tue
  • Re: Help! curling the hair -- JBachner, 13:34:22 01/22/02 Tue
  • we have instructions on our website! good luck (NT) -- http://www.angelfire.com/ma3/irishdancermom/IDindex.htm, 16:20:11 01/22/02 Tue
  • Thank you for all of your advice! -- JBachner, 13:40:37 01/23/02 Wed
    • Have you thought about a nice 3/4 cap wig we got ours from Broga Rince www.irishdanceshoes.org for an 8 year old -- mom, 07:17:42 01/24/02 Thu
    • I am assuming your daughter is a beginner. You may wish to wait for a wig until she is at a higher level. I always think the beginners look nice with their hair just natural. I did not curl my daughter's hair until she moved into Novice. We only use a wig for teams where they are required. -- another mom, 15:43:19 01/24/02 Thu
    • I find that the wider spikes are just too big for short hair. (NT) -- GCW, 09:43:49 01/28/02 Mon
  • We start with hair completely dry that has been washed with shampoo but no conditioner. A small amount of mousse is added before drying. Starting from the top of her head, I take ~ 1/2 in. of hair, spray it all the way down with hairspray and roll it using Soft Spike curlers and end papers. When we're done I spray all over with light hairspray and use a hair dryer to start the drying process. We do this the night before a feis. Hope this makes sense. (NT) -- A mom, 00:19:48 01/24/02 Thu
  • Re: Help! curling the hair -- rich, 08:27:16 04/11/02 Thu

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