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Subject: Re: Other factors to consider related to the Ivy degree

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Date Posted: 14:43:25 08/16/24 Fri
In reply to: IvySportsJunkie 's message, "Other factors to consider related to the Ivy degree" on 13:51:51 08/15/24 Thu

I should note that I am fully supportive of the Ivy League getting into the NIL game. Yet, when speaking to a number of Ivy student athletes about NIL, they offered one additional strong argument for the intangible value of their Ivy League degree. They pointed out that they loved how their football team consistently has almost no turnover every year and deep bonding amongst the players. They felt this was partially due to the fact that 100% of their team greatly benefits from superior job opportunities and alumni networking. They stressed that even their bench players seem to get just as good summer jobs and post-grad jobs as the starters. In contrast, at most Power 4 football programs, the bench players do not remotely get the same opportunities.

To test this, I looked at the LinkedIn profiles for classes of 2019 and 2020 for a large cross section of Ivy football and basketball players who received very little playing time and then compared this to starters at my hometown Power 4 conference team (in fairness, it was not a Stanford, Duke or Michigan team). There was no comparison in the quality of jobs. The Power 4 conference starters tended to work mostly in service industries with relatively easy access to their entry level jobs compared to Ivy bench players who mostly worked in VC, PE, IB, high tech, and other highly selective organizations and professional fields.

I think you will enjoy doing this test for your Ivy university by comparing our third string to the first string of typical Power 4 conference team. It will reinforce why we have such minimal roster turnover despite lack of scholarships, NIL and other perks.

Our education and enhanced career options clearly remain our most valuable perk for our student athletes.

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Date Posted: 14:59:54 08/16/24 Fri

All this may be true. But two things stand out.

1) Networking < > Education. Most people would admit that alumni networks are more important than curricular mastery in getting the plum jobs described here. It helps to be part of the club.

2) This job data would still hold if the Ivies were playing Division III instead of FCS. The truth of the matter is that without playoffs and NIL/scholarships, we are already closer to D3 than D1. The arguments for keeping up with the Joneses is to avoid the slide to D3 irrelevance. Which may be what the (interim) presidents - and many here - want in the end.