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Subject: Other factors to consider related to the Ivy degree

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IvySportsJunkie

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Date Posted: 13:51:51 08/15/24 Thu
In reply to: M3 's message, "Ivy League Degrees Worthless?" on 06:41:32 08/14/24 Wed

One needs to be very careful when making a bold suggestion that the Ivy League degree has become worthless for student athletes.

While securing a path to elite graduate schools and prestigious companies should not be consider one of the primary criteria why to select a college to play sports, the Ivy League's distinct advantages in this respect tend to be viewed as extremely important for so many of our recruited Ivy athletes and their parents. There are numerous lists that highlight which colleges are the best feeder schools to the most selective and prestigious companies and for admissions to the top 10 graduate school programs. The superior success of the Ivy League is indisputable here. To illustrate this point, let’s look at feeder colleges to the top ten MBA programs, which in recent years has become the preferred graduation program for Ivy student athletes to pursue. Top MBA programs are financially attractive to many athletes since the average starting salary and bonus for the graduates from each of the top MBA schools is well over $200K.

Looking at how we place nationally, Forbes recently noted that 23.2% of MBA admits to the Harvard Business School came from one of the Ivies. Likewise, College Confidential looked at the best feeder schools in aggregate for the top 10 MBA programs and found it was dominated by the Ivy League. The Ivies provided 6 of the top 9 MBA feeder schools and all Ivies placed in the top 16. While Stanford, Duke, Cal, and Georgetown made it to the top 10 list of feeder schools, most of the Power 4 Conference universities have dramatically lower chances than our Ivies. When you speak with Ivy athletes, they tend to be well aware of the pronounced preferences for Ivy graduates by the most highly selective companies and by the admissions officers at the most selective graduate schools.

Below is a summary of the number of enrolled students in aggregate to the US Elite MBA programs from the top 16 feeder schools: Harvard (192), UPenn (183), Stanford (117), Yale (113), Princeton (101), Duke (95), Columbia (89), Cal (84), Dartmouth (80), Georgetown (79), Northwestern (67). Cornell (59), Virginia (58), MIT (54), Michigan (49), and Brown (47). This also does not reflect how the Ivy universities have so much smaller student bodies.

While the Ivy League is well behind in the NIL race, we clearly still lead the nation in overall compensation for our graduates.

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IvySportsJunkie
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Date Posted: 14:43:25 08/16/24 Fri

I should note that I am fully supportive of the Ivy League getting into the NIL game. Yet, when speaking to a number of Ivy student athletes about NIL, they offered one additional strong argument for the intangible value of their Ivy League degree. They pointed out that they loved how their football team consistently has almost no turnover every year and deep bonding amongst the players. They felt this was partially due to the fact that 100% of their team greatly benefits from superior job opportunities and alumni networking. They stressed that even their bench players seem to get just as good summer jobs and post-grad jobs as the starters. In contrast, at most Power 4 football programs, the bench players do not remotely get the same opportunities.

To test this, I looked at the LinkedIn profiles for classes of 2019 and 2020 for a large cross section of Ivy football and basketball players who received very little playing time and then compared this to starters at my hometown Power 4 conference team (in fairness, it was not a Stanford, Duke or Michigan team). There was no comparison in the quality of jobs. The Power 4 conference starters tended to work mostly in service industries with relatively easy access to their entry level jobs compared to Ivy bench players who mostly worked in VC, PE, IB, high tech, and other highly selective organizations and professional fields.

I think you will enjoy doing this test for your Ivy university by comparing our third string to the first string of typical Power 4 conference team. It will reinforce why we have such minimal roster turnover despite lack of scholarships, NIL and other perks.

Our education and enhanced career options clearly remain our most valuable perk for our student athletes.

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Date Posted: 14:59:54 08/16/24 Fri

All this may be true. But two things stand out.

1) Networking < > Education. Most people would admit that alumni networks are more important than curricular mastery in getting the plum jobs described here. It helps to be part of the club.

2) This job data would still hold if the Ivies were playing Division III instead of FCS. The truth of the matter is that without playoffs and NIL/scholarships, we are already closer to D3 than D1. The arguments for keeping up with the Joneses is to avoid the slide to D3 irrelevance. Which may be what the (interim) presidents - and many here - want in the end.