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Date Posted: 10/28/07 7:22:40pm
Author: markm
Subject: Re: Quota Hunt Workshop
In reply to: gladeshunter 's message, "Re: Quota Hunt Workshop" on 10/28/07 6:01:05pm

>>>I've always leaned toward the non-transfer side. But
>>>after kickin it around a while not sure how it will
>>>help increase hunter numbers. I know it surely won't
>>>help participation numbers on the quota only short
>>>duration hunt areas. I'm still on the fence. I'm
>going
>>>to go to the BPS meeting in Orlando. Anybody else
>>>going?
>>
>>
>>Keith,
>>
>>I think we all have that same thoughts going on with
>>this issue, we want better hunting,better harvesting,
>>but I personally don't feel this will help ME at all,
>>infact My feeling is the more i can get into the woods
>>the better my chances are at harvesting, how will the
>>NON-trans get you or I in the woods more often?
>>
>>Is the thinking; Your able to go to say Toso instead
>>of Buck Lake for a three day hunt versus being able to
>>go to three or four different WMAs a Better Option? Is
>>there a WMA in florida that gives the assurance of a
>>harvest that all you need is that one hunt?
>>
>>That's the kind a difference it will be if the
>>NON-trans gets passed, Toso being a Pref/First
>>Non-Trans, then a second and third transferable, right
>>now second is holding very few hunts, third is nothing
>>to speak about... what will change? the ability to
>>trade your Pref/first good hunt GONE! Are Fl. Public
>>Land hunters going to be better off, will they get
>>MORE oputunities, will their Harvest rate go up? More
>>then likely there will be LESS hunters in the woods,
>>which will lead to more rule changes for LESS hunting
>>Days, just because hunters won't be in the woods as
>>much due in part to other obligations comming up when
>>their hunt comes up, and they can't trade it off for a
>>time they CAN use it such as the second hunt instead
>>of the first, or vise-versus! let's face it, we all
>>can not be in the woods on the day that our hunt comes
>>up, it's impossible to think that! Sh*& happens! How
>>many people, what WMAs will be effected, what will
>>happen then, look at the number of hunters now not
>>showing up?
>>
>>Again if hunters look at the Pros and Cons, this
>>non-trans isn't in their best interest on an over all
>>point of view, The "HORDING" effect is very minumal in
>>comparison to what lies ahead for Florida Hunters, I
>>think! Yes, We do need to make some changes, but
>>picking a NEW road to go down, one we have never been
>>down, what if it is a dead end, how do we get back to
>>where we were, do we PICK another road?
>>
>>I know for a FACT that I personally will loose hunting
>>Days if this goes thru... how can I accept a LOSE in
>>hunting when I have to work for the ones I get now,
>>just to go hunt? remember it's not just the Abuser of
>>the rules who looses!
>>
>>Organizations, Stakeholders and Hunters in general,
>>have to be sure that the overall Hunting of public
>>land will be better then, not worse off with any Major
>>changes being made thru the FWC!
>>
>>Mark
>
>>> You guys are missing the point. Why should 1 guy
>have every hunt for an area and another guy who wants
>to hunt there just as bad has none. That is not fair!
>It is not just about "you" it is about every hunter in
>the state having an equal opportunity.
>A lot of the no shows at the gate are from guys having
>more than 1 permit for the same area. this looks like
>a no show but in actuality it is just "hoarding" as
>some put it.
>I think you guys are full of it in saying the anti's
>are getting permits. When have you ever seen these
>people spend any money for what they believe in?
>There has got to be a way to make sure that our fellow
>hunters are not the ones screwing us by keeping
>multiple permits for themselves and unfortunately
>limited non-transferrability may be the only way.


gladehunter,

Anti hunters are just a small part and I don't have any proof one way or the other on this, it's always been assumed this is happening! The Antis are so much more ahead of us hunters in the Way of cash, organized and so on it ain't funny, that is a fact!


Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the only reason to go non-transferable is to stop the hoarding of permits? Is there no other benefit to making the change? Are you so sure it will get you in a prefered WMA any sooner

I hunt Toso, which is one of the top Hunted WMAs in florida, I get a permit there about every other year or two, I don't see me having a better chance then that. Then there's the ability to trade off permits, give them away when they don't get used, which from all the permits that i have had access to it works, it's not just "ME" here, every hunter who has been given a permit at some point is loosing if this happens! Please don't give me this Second or third phase either, with 60,000 some odd permits out there maybe Half or less are the prefered Hunts, divide that between say 150,000 hunters, how do you see your chances changing? every Hunter will be still putting in for those same hunts you are!

The bottom line for me is "I" will be loosing hunting days because "I" get permits given to me every year, good ones, so do thousand other hunters, this is a fact that can't be over looked!
Nobody including myself likes the Hording of permits issue, but Am I convinced that the overall ability to get out and Hunt is not at stake here, It is, The permits i get from trading or people not able to hunt those day are at stake here, these are over and above the Hunts I get myself, there's nothing eithically wrong with that part of the system, it keeps hunters in the woods and that is what the UHF is all about!

If, The FWC tells us that this new Change will in no way put Less hunters in the woods or Loose any hunting days on these Many "Quota only" WMAs, If it turns out that it is happening, the FWC will be willing to make changes to satisfy us then I'm on board! We have to ALL work together to find a better solution to satisfy everyone here, Making the best hunts a Go or loose it situation just ain't going to get it with me!

Mark

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