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Date Posted: 03/13/07 8:33:11pm
Author: markm
Subject: Re: Let's get some discussion going on these issues
In reply to: gladeshunter 's message, "Re: Let's get some discussion going on these issues" on 03/12/07 8:19:39pm

>>>Here are my thoughts to your questions, **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>There are rumblings out there about
>>>
>>>>>1. Trashing the quota system
>>>** I can see that changes ae needed to the system,
>but
>>>I can see nothing go coming from trashing all
>togeter.
>>>The sytem went down everytime a "first come - first
>>>serve drawing was held. You could fix that by making
>>>ALL DRAWINGS RANDOM. As far as keeping people from
>>>putting in for multiple permits, I personally think
>>>before the go to the non-transferably, they should
>try
>>>making a person have their hunting license and
>>>management stamp a requirement. Or rasie the cost of
>a
>>>management stamp to $50.00. It could deter someone
>>>from putting in for as many multiples.
>>>
>>>>>2. Implementing a tag system
>>>
>>>** WE talked about this when the FWC was going to 3
>>>point or better on one side with the Bonus buck
>>>remember. They couldn't figure out a was to check
>>>these bucks in. Most of the WMA's don't even have a
>>>check station. Hunter are suppose to fill out cards
>>>and send them in, just how many hunter do you know
>>>that report their harvest now? Do think are going to
>>>call in to report the use of their tag?? Policing
>this
>>>is going to be a big problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>3. Cutting harvest back to 2 or 4 deer per person
>>per
>>>>>year
>>>
>>>** I don't believe we should do anything with the
>>>harvest limit now till we can figure out just how
>many
>>>deer are really in each WMA. Then we have to figure
>>>out a way to check the game that is being killed.
>>>Then we can talk about harvest limits.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>4. Starting hunting season the same dates state
>wide
>>>
>>>** I personally think this should be one of the first
>>>thing the state should try. I know alot of people
>from
>>>the Central and Northern parts of the state put in
>for
>>>hunts in the Southern region so the can start hunting
>>>earlier and when their own season start they hunt
>>>there. And I know several people from the Southern
>>>region who put in for quotas for the central and
>>>northern region so they can hunt longer. It may not
>>>solve the whole problem but it's a place to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>5. Cutting the general gun season back to 2 weeks
>>>
>>>** I don't understand the what cutting back 2 weeks
>is
>>>going to do???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>6. Opening all public land without limits on
>numbers
>>>>>of hunters
>>>
>>>** I could see this causing more problems than we
>have
>>>right now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>7. We can't forget the ever present horn limits
>>>
>>>** This was discussed before and because of the food
>>>sources in each region, it was dropped. Besides this
>>>is another WHO's going to police this situation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>8. Kill more does / Don't kill any does
>>>
>>>** This issue to me need further reviewing. It would
>>>depend to me on what the buck to doe ratio was.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>And more
>>>>Speak up now or don't complain later that you don't
>>>>like what came about because I will guarentee you
>>>>there are changes coming!
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>
>>
>>ONE THING IS FOR SURE, NOTHING WILL STOP THE BITCHING,
>>WELL MAYBE IF EVERYONE GOT TWO BUCKS A YEAR, THE
>>CRYING WILL STOP!
>>
>>I DON'T SEE TWO WEEKS FOR GUN SEASON EVER HAPPENING,
>>WE DON'T LIVE IN THE COLD WEATHER WERE DEER MOVEMENT
>>IS IN ABUNDANCE!
>>
>>ANY DRASTIC CHANGE HAS GOT TO BE FULLY DISCUSSED AND
>>MADE SURE IT'S A POSTIVE CHANGE!
>>
>>Mark
>
>>>The quota hunt problem could be resolved by making
>the preference draw and only the preference draw
>non-transferable, This is where most of the abuse is
>coming from anyway at least from my perspective.
>The "special opp" hunts should also be made
>non-transferable and should be on an every other year
>cycle so that different people can get drawn from year
>to year.
>
>Mississippi, Arkansas and Penn have all implemented
>some sort of antler restrictios that have worked . As
>far as food being a reason not to go to antler
>restrictions I guess they never looked at Woods and
>Waters and the big bucks being killed all over Florida
>including public land.Age is the factor and a dead
>spike will never be a ten point. The problem is no one
>wants to sacrifice a year or two of reduced harvest to
>make a difference in the long run.
>
>
>Spring turkey season hours need to be until 2 on wma's
>due to the new daylight savings time calendar. We are
>losing an hour of hunting for the whole season not
>just half of it like before.


Woods and Water, That's the north west section of florida and Private land at that, yes some of it is Public but again in the northern most part of the State! No a Spike won't be a ten point dead or even possibly alive, I've seen 5 year old 4 pointers, do we stop shooting them too? You can go to Georgia an shoot a buck, send a picture to W&W and tell them it was shoot in southern Florida, who's going to question it... My point here is W&W doesn't have any science to prove or disprove where that deer was taken!

We have got to come up with ways to enhance the population of deer in the State, the whole state.. then work on buck to doe ratios, but the first thing we need is a good count of what the population in florida is, how can you say we need anything without knowing what the numbers are?

This should be our first priority, get some kind of count.. I'm quite sure that we'll find that the northwest holds the biggest population, and it will go down from there, from that point we can create a data stream that can outline everything else.. buck to doe, harvest, hunting pressures, food, health of the herds.... it just seems that the basics aren't there to make any kind of Manual to which to work from!

I seem to say this alot but there are no, NO states like Florida, we can't use Texas, N.Carilina or Penns Data to which to derive our deer harvest rates or QDM, just ask any Biologist who has been working in florida, we are unique in this area. We have to have and work from our own Data that we as floridians collect, But i think MOST importantly, we as hunters especially Deer hunters have got to come together and stop butting heads, we'll never get anywhere trying to work alone!

Last but not least, hope everyone Bags a turkey this Fall, good hunting and hope to meet you in the woods!

Mark

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  • Re: Let's get some discussion going on these issues -- Casey, 03/13/07 8:44:17pm
  • Re: Let's get some discussion going on these issues -- gladeshunter, 03/15/07 5:41:31pm
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