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Date Posted: 04:13:14 10/08/02 Tue
Author: William
Author Host/IP: cache-mtc-ah04.proxy.aol.com / 64.12.96.169
Subject: " A picture is worth a thousand words"
Here is a glimpse of what members of the "Religion of Peace", living here in the United States, really think about you and me.This is not intended as a joke or a prank
Warning: Obscene content!
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According to this pic, it is one single "member," not "members." And in your zeal to paint Muslims with broad and unjust brushstrokes, it must be pointed out that the attitude expressed inthe pic is NOT reflective of all Muslim people. I know many Muslim people living in this country and they are as peaceful as anyone. It's like saying that all black people or American Indians are lazy, shiftless, and prone to criminal behavior. We shouldn't mischaracterize whole races and creeds based on some examples ugly behavior. I would expect better judgment from supposedly intelligent people. -- Richard, 18:27:44 10/08/02 Tue (pcp01902285pcs.coatsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.83.144.23)
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Not one -- many, but clearly not all. If you do not think that at least 10% of the "peaceful" Muslims in the U.S. do not harbor the attitude depicted, then you are just deluding yourself. No one used the word "all" except you. You can't get away with trying to change other's words around here. Are you arguing that the young man in the picture is the only Muslim who has that attitude? You did say "one." If he is not the only one, then "members" is quite accurate, hmmmm? -- SurveyGuy, 21:51:58 10/08/02 Tue (maxtnt06-104.phlpa.fast.net/209.92.241.104)
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Please reread his post carefully... it clearly said "members," which is plural, meaning more than one. I'm not arguing for anything but clarity. However, based on that poster's archival record, he has displayed quite a bit of negativity toward Muslims in general, based only on what a few thousand out of the hundreds of millions of the world Muslim population have done. I'd like to read that distinction acknowledged for a change. -- Richard, 23:24:57 10/08/02 Tue (pcp01902285pcs.coatsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.83.144.23)
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"Here is a glimpse of what members of the "Religion of Peace", living here in the United States, really think about you and me." That is what it says. If you wish to think that all members of the Religion of Peace are hateful, spiteful, and desire to murder United States citizens and Jews, then go ahead. If it makes you feel better, read it this way: "Here is a glimpse of what many members of the "Religion of Peace" here in the United States really think about you and me". Many are here to slaughter U. S. citizens. They are bloodthirsty, hateful, and homicidal. Feel better now? -- William, 05:12:39 10/09/02 Wed (cache-rl02.proxy.aol.com/152.163.189.98)
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Are sweeping generalizations acceptable among intelligent people? -- Richard, 07:56:36 10/09/02 Wed (pcp01902285pcs.coatsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.83.144.23)
It matters not what makes me "feel better," but rather what is your motive in posting these anti-Muslim rants. If you truly wish to quantify "members" with "many," you are dead wrong. "Some" or "few" would be more accurate, since you don't have any hard facts to support the amount suggested by "many," other than the abundance of wild anti-Muslim propaganda that's available in the various media. That shouldn't be a substitute for using one's own common sense here. There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world and there are perhaps 10-20 thousand vocally committed to jihad. That's an estimate. Even if it is 100 thousand, that's still a relatively small segment of that population. percentage I'm not about to exaggerate reports about a hundred documented cases of radical Muslim activity in the US to support fear and suspicion. That's not what rational and intelligent people do. Heck, the white supremacists are just as active in the US, but we don't hear much about them these days. We have Muslims serve as a convenient target to demonize and fcous our latent fears and hatreds.
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No one said all. Use of a plural does not imply all. You said "one." That is clearly wrong. Semantic games. Now you finally admit that there ARE 10-20,000 "vocally comitted." Seems that a plural makes sense. Please note that not a single Muslim vendor has been attacked here or anywhere, yet Jews on campuses have been attacked by Muslim students. Far too many examples to ignore. No sweeping generalization here except those you infer, yet were not implied. 20,000 or 100,000 fanatics trying to kill innocents supports the use of a plural "s." -- SurveyGuy, 10:01:58 10/09/02 Wed (maxtnt02-468.phlpa.fast.net/209.92.228.214)
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Again, let's read EVERY word more carefully, please! -- Richard, 12:30:03 10/09/02 Wed (pcp01902285pcs.coatsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.83.144.23)
I said PERHAPS there are a certain amount of Muslim radicals.. The use of the word PERHAPS leaves room for doubt. PERHAPS precludes any definity. So that means there might only be only 5K, I wouldn't know. No one really knows, do they? The figure was put forth to illustrate this premise only: even if possibly 10, 20, 30K radical Muslims exist, it doesn't warrant the hysteria against Muslims in general, since there are over 1 billion of them. What is 30k into 1.2 billion expressed as a percentage? C'mon, you're the math teacher, you can tell us more quickly than it would take me to find a calculator. Condemning a whole denomination based on the actions of a possibly small percentage is ignorant. Let's not forget the innocent American Muslim citizens and houses of worship being verbally abused and attacked or following 9/11, in addition to Hindu business owners being mistaken for Muslims by ignorant swine looking for outlets for their hate. Let's also not forget to include that in this dialogue, in the interests of clarity, comprehensiveness, and appearing unbiased. This is turning into what happened in this country during WW1 and WW2, when many people tried to scapegoat other people of foreign descent only peripherally connected to the enemies of the day.
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I think you will find Jihadism far more pervasive than you think. -- SurveyGuy, 22:51:25 10/09/02 Wed (maxtnt03-50.phlpa.fast.net/209.92.230.50)
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I must disagree with you! Mother Theresa's nuns and Homeschoolers are the most dangerous and evil people in the world! Muslims are the most pure, the most chaste, the most loving, compassionate, and peaceful! Even the Muslims who plan to slaughter United States citizens and Jews in their Jihad, are so sweet and holy! -- William, 02:45:41 10/10/02 Thu (cache-dq01.proxy.aol.com/205.188.209.133)
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But the most annoying at Johovah's Witnesses. -- SG, 10:02:57 10/10/02 Thu (vlan3proxy.ccp.cc.pa.us/63.121.99.36)
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When they are proven to be true time and time again...yes. Please direct us to the link of the picture where these peaceful, terrorist-hating muslims are giving the finger to somebody besides US. Please direct us to links showing outrage for not only attacks against us and Israel, but against those within our borders who espouse such vile acts. Show me the outrage. I have been waiting for over a year to see and/or see or hear it. -- JL, 20:39:08 10/09/02 Wed (pcp01376707pcs.selrsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.80.69.241)
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The reason the peaceful Muslims are afraid to speak out is thatthey are afraid. Remember Salmon Rushdi on whom the peace loving Ayatollah's put out a death warrant for writing a book? -- SurveyGuy, 23:00:49 10/09/02 Wed (maxtnt03-50.phlpa.fast.net/209.92.230.50)
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What you said is an absolute and irrefutable fact! As recently as this month Yassar Arafat had some more Palestinians murdered. These people were chosen on such criteria as: They were a threat to his position; they disagreed with him; they wanted peace with Israel. The Muslim fanatics have gone after their own because they were not Militant enough or because they did not hate Jews or US citizens or because they did speak out against their Jihad. -- William, 02:40:10 10/10/02 Thu (cache-dq01.proxy.aol.com/205.188.209.133)
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It appears that our countrymen and women, including the two congresspersons who spoke against our president from inside Iraq but sided with Saddam Hussein, cliaming that they don't trust President Bush but that we should give Saddam Hussein the benefit of the doubt, overlook these things. -- William, 02:41:56 10/10/02 Thu (cache-dq01.proxy.aol.com/205.188.209.133)
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You surely ARE 100% on this one. But wouldn't that be like me having to be fearful of, say, you? And maybe William, Spock, or 'H' turning my card for speaking my mind? Yes, we certainly need to be more understanding and accepting of a culture such as that. islum (sic) - the religion of peace and love. -- JL, 19:16:16 10/17/02 Thu (pcp01376707pcs.selrsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.80.69.241)
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Blahblahblah...All I can say to our friend in the picture is "Right back atcha!" (And ditto for any other similarly-sentimented MEMBERS of Al Qaeda & the Islamic faith.) -- Spock (vocally committed to America, its Constitution, and its PATRIOTS), 12:19:44 10/09/02 Wed (user-vc8fm1s.biz.mindspring.com/216.135.216.60)
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Why would you lower yourself to his level with that form of vulgar expression? -- Mary Katherine, 17:35:46 10/09/02 Wed (mark-hauck-2.villanova.edu/153.104.160.11)
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Because they are evil, murdering muthafukkas who wish to do us great harm. Toughen up Mary Katherine. You probably have a good and noble heart, but we need Rosie the Riveters now...not pansies. -- JL, 20:45:06 10/09/02 Wed (pcp01376707pcs.selrsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.80.69.241)
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"More baseless preaching that won't go without rejoinder" Do these comments qualify as well? -- Richard, 23:27:14 10/09/02 Wed (pcp01902285pcs.coatsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.83.144.23)
"Because they are evil, murdering muthafukkas" (This is a comment about Muslims, note that there's no attempt to avoid including all Muslims in this vicious and hateful smear. Oh, and really nice language, too. Shows real class)
"The Democrats have revealed themselves to be dishonest, criminals, liars, rapists, deceivers, hate and race mongers, racists, stokers of the fires of caste and class envy, and anti-United States, anti-Constitution, and pro-Socialist and pro-Communist and pro-US enemies and pro-US and Israel and Jew haters." (I wonder where's the hard proof to back *those* wild contentions. Can we also suggest "baseless"?)
"First Ted Dasshole, now Ted Krimedy...." (again, very nice language. What has Tom Daschle done besides offer a view point you don't agree with? Is this what you think is proper discourse, call someone a vicious name simply because you disagree with them?
"I find both Daschle and Kennedy to be repugnant, repulsive, convulsive, sickening, self serving, selfish, hateful, vindictive, dishonest, deceptive, uncooperative, disloyal, despicable, delirious, deranged, derailed, decrepit, distorted, demented, devious, delirious, duplicitous, and downright disgusting! And that I am being terse in my assessment and my post! Excuse me while I go and vomit!" (I have already, but not for the reasons you would expect)
I consider myself a conservative but I am embarrassed by this display. If any of this is supposed to be humor it's not at all funny. It's stuff like this that gives conservatives a bad name. No wonder many people unfairly characterize conservatives as knee jerk reactionaries with IQs in the double digits. You are no better than the liberals you obviously despise.
Does anyone here remember where the "high road" lies? I wonder. Are your lives really so decrepit and empty that you need to vent so viciously like this to feel better about yourselves?
I'm sorry, but it has to be said. I don't understand why supposedly intelligent and educated people have to act in this self-degrading manner. Every once and a while, people need to look in the mirror at themselves to find out if they still can stomach the reflection.
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One word: CONTEXT. It's a good thing. -- Spock (with special thanks to Martha Stewart), 14:13:03 10/11/02 Fri (user-vc8fm1s.biz.mindspring.com/216.135.216.60)
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I guess that since there wasn't the (NT) at the end of the post, you didn't remember to click on the link to get the rest of the message, which would have provided all the context you would have needed. Then your weak attempt at being a wise ass would have been unnecessary. -- Richard, 23:16:08 10/11/02 Fri (pcp01902285pcs.coatsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.83.144.23)
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Oh, I read them all, thanks, including my own contributions therein. I maintain my statement. These statements IN CONTEXT mean something different from plucking them out and hanging them randomly. You've cited circumstantial evidence, not didactic. BTW how does calling me a wise-ass put you on the high road, when you never took the time to understand what I was saying? -- Spock, 13:53:34 10/14/02 Mon (user-vc8fm1s.biz.mindspring.com/216.135.216.60)
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Hi JL. It seems that some people STILL can't handle the truth!!! -- pat, 13:49:21 10/10/02 Thu (NoHost/149.101.1.124)
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Hey there pat! Hope you have been well. No, they can't...but they sure are amusing. They are just frantic at this point. Yet nothing to contribute...only the same old vitriol - repackaged. Guess that fax machine is stuck on 'resend'. Nothing new to see here, folks...let's move along. -- JL ; ), 22:34:26 10/11/02 Fri (pcp01376707pcs.selrsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.80.69.241)
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Actually, I agree with him. I feel exactly the same way about the media. Now, he ought to see a pic of what I think of him and his ilk. Now THAT might be deemed 'obscene'. -- JL, 20:02:22 10/09/02 Wed (pcp01376707pcs.selrsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.80.69.241)
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