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Date Posted: 22:25:05 07/28/03 Mon
Author: SurveyGuy
Author Host/IP: pcp03884941pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net / 68.32.204.89
Subject: Here is the cartoon they responded to -- what do you think?
In reply to:
SurveyGuy
's message, "More governmental incompetence. The FBI, the CIA, and now a glimpse into the dim bulbs who manage the Secret Service." on 22:35:52 07/25/03 Fri
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Kind of in poor taste, actually, IMHO - even though W's expression speaks volumes (as does the label on the back of the would-be assasin). But I also think the Secret Service way overreacted without checking things out properly first -- context is a lost art of understanding. Nobody remembers history, so the Vietnam reference was lost in favor of hairtrigger/knee-jerk responses, whereby one goes to the trouble of straining out a gnat only to swallow a camel. -- Spock, 12:41:53 07/29/03 Tue (user-vc8fm1s.biz.mindspring.com/216.135.216.60)
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And don't forget the sign that says "Iraq." Ramirez actually had to explain the cartoon to a Times reporter. The problem is that the message is too difficult for minds that function at a primitive level -- but what of their managers?! Sometimesbeing provocative may be called distasteful. Clearly these are allegorical images. He needed to put a tag on the gun labelled "Distortions" to compete the story for the Secret Service. Taste has nothing to do with it. -- SurveyGuy, 21:04:37 07/29/03 Tue (pcp03884941pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.32.204.89)
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How about if the gun had a little flag sticking out from the barrel that said "Lies?" Does that make it more tasteful? I thought it was a powerful image required to convey the message, but alas it seems to have failed to do so. -- SurveyGuy, 09:33:53 07/30/03 Wed (pcp03884941pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.32.204.89)
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SurveyGuy, I did read the cartoon after I read your post. Thanks for posting it here. I don't see the problem with this cartoon. There is the clear implication, for those who might be aware of the current news, that politics are targeting Bush, as is actually taking place here in the US these days. Some of the Dems, especially those who are running for president, wish to bring Bush down a few notches. The Dems are weak on terror and Bush is stronger than they are so they have to deconstruct Bush and his appearance of strength. -- William, 03:11:54 07/30/03 Wed (cache-mtc-ah04.proxy.aol.com/64.12.96.169)
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What gets me is that they are adding a lit match to gasoline and contributing to the extension of problems here and abroad as well as throwing the Iraqi people to the wolves by prolonging the problems there by feeding into them by siding against our president and US soldiers.Sometimes splitting hairs is not the best and most prudent thing to do. Now is the time for unity and a show of resolute intentions, not petty, destructive, counterproductive political rangling falsely parading as patriotism or concern. -- William, 03:15:01 07/30/03 Wed (cache-mtc-ah04.proxy.aol.com/64.12.96.169)
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Spock, people are so dishonest, cruel and vicious to demonize Bush, Blair, the US, and those who actually take steps to fight thugs like Saddam, the Ba'athists, bin Laden, al Qaeda, and the soldiers and others who actually fight these thugs, calling Bush "Hitler" while greviously denying Saddam Hussein is anything like Hitler. They demonize the US for taking steps to protect itself. These same people think it is a good idea to go out and send troops to be killed for "humanitarian" reasons in countries or for reason which we did not chose for our own security (e.g, Liberia, Bosnia, etc.) -- William, 03:24:40 07/30/03 Wed (cache-mtc-ah04.proxy.aol.com/64.12.96.169)
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