Your half-expected 'last minute' snipe destroyed any sympathies I carried for your pretentious expression of your plight. I cannot wait until all of our fine military men and women have left that pit of lunatic Wahhabism. I am sure you will still blame us for the many failings of such a barely evolved 'culture'. Your kind always does. Enjoy co-habitating with Islam ... the religion of peace and love. You deserve each other. -- The Philadelphia Talk Radio Politics and Opinion Forum

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Date Posted: 21:53:44 05/13/03 Tue
Author: JL
Author Host/IP: pcp01376707pcs.selrsv01.pa.comcast.net / 68.80.69.241
Subject: Your half-expected 'last minute' snipe destroyed any sympathies I carried for your pretentious expression of your plight. I cannot wait until all of our fine military men and women have left that pit of lunatic Wahhabism. I am sure you will still blame us for the many failings of such a barely evolved 'culture'. Your kind always does. Enjoy co-habitating with Islam ... the religion of peace and love. You deserve each other.
In reply to: Chris Henry 's message, "Terrorist Attacks in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Last night I was, to say the least, rudely disturbed. For an unknown number of others, it was the stuff of nightmares, if they were lucky enough to survive. This is more of my personal account than an attempt to engage in debate - I'm just not in the mood for that. However I'm sure I'll be coming back to the point at the end." on 03:09:59 05/13/03 Tue

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[> What revealing observations. I was so impressed, I pasted this section into the Exxon Riyadh intranet, to see what some of our other US expatriates thought. Their responses so far are interesting, I'll share them in a while. In the meantime, JL, do you have any words of comfort for the families of the 20+ dead Northrop Grumman employees who were similarly "co-habiting with Islam"? And I'd really appreciate a coherent answer to the question I posed. -- Chris Henry, 07:08:36 05/14/03 Wed (cache2-2.ruh.isu.net.sa/212.138.47.12)

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[> [> They would have my sympathies, as much as any victim of terrorism would. However, I would question the judgement of someone placing themselves and their families in danger by choosing to occupy a part of the world that harbors those who hate all things Western. Especially in a country that subsidizes terrorist acts. Guess their NIMBY payoffs aren't working as well as they once did. Keep up your America bashing. It's good to know what the enemy is thinking. -- JL, 20:22:13 05/14/03 Wed (pcp01376707pcs.selrsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.80.69.241)

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[> [> [> OK, tell me what "your side" thinks, whoever they are. Tell me how conquering Iraq has helped to win the war on terrorism. I'm ready to be convinced, if you can put forward a strong argument and not just pseudo-patriotic waffle. Go ahead. Convince me. I'm waiting. -- Chris Henry, 01:53:17 05/15/03 Thu (cache8-2.ruh.isu.net.sa/212.138.47.27)

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[> [> [> [> Only time for a quickie, but an important one, IMHO. No Saddam Hussein = no coin promoting Palestinian homicide bombers by paying off their families. Will revisit further when I get back. -- JL, 20:17:47 05/15/03 Thu (pcp01376707pcs.selrsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.80.69.241)

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[> [> [> [> [> It would be nice to think so, but just about every shopping centre in the Middle East has a booth taking "charity" collections for Palestine. Any more? -- Chris Henry, 01:17:35 05/17/03 Sat (cache8-2.ruh.isu.net.sa/212.138.47.27)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Chris, Iraq, through Saddam's regime, was supporting terrorism directly. He issued checks for $25,000 to families whose members murdered Israelis. Now he has been toppled and he is no longer issuing checks for this service of murder. JL is correct. One source of such blood money has dried up. There are more, like the Saudis who hold telethons which raise several million dollars for bloodthirsty murderers, the Palestinian terrorists, and they will have to be dealt with also. -- William, 00:03:31 05/20/03 Tue (cache-rl02.proxy.aol.com/152.163.252.226)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> William has made my rebuttal in this instance for me. Good fellow that he always is (Thx, big guy!). However much more of it we need to counteract, there is THAT MUCH LESS to deal with.......... -- JL, 20:57:08 05/20/03 Tue (pcp01376707pcs.selrsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.80.69.241)

Another benefit...
Big dent in production of WMD's emanating from the area. We may not yet have located the actual finished form chemical weapons produced by Saddam and his Baath Buddies, but we surely have found a boatload of precursors. 2 pam-chloride, atropine, and ensembles suitable for chemical warfare have been discovered in countless Iraqi Army combat positions we have taken. Extremely high levels of chemical agents have been detected in the river systems. Not to mention the so-far scrubbed out mobile bio-lab vehicles and empty chemical rounds - useless for any other purpose. As a wealthy nation in the zone, the ability to produce and distribute these 'goods' surely existed, at the expense of the 'loyal followers' who were supposed to be fed by money from the joke of the 'Oil for Saddam' U.N. program. Where were these weapons to be used next? There are just so many Kurds.

The discoveries of the many mass graves containing thousands of corpses from the past 10+ years (verified by forensic dating) is another example of what we were dealing with. There is no doubt that a terrorist regime was in place. It's unbridled hatred for America and support for everything and anything that could attempt to bring us down is most evident and necessitated its removal.

To suggest that this is not part of our on-going war against terrorism and is instead some singular vengeant action is incomprehensible to me. The evidence of communication and cooperation between our enemies stands for itself. They are one and the same.

Naturally, the removal of this abomination has not and will not cure all of the evils we face 'spanning the globe'. But for sure it has put a mighty dent in things. And to me it is the direction we need to be going in.

Sorry it took me a bit to get back to you. I work away from home alot.

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[> [> [> Many people place their lives in danger to some extent. Not only expats working for US companies overseas, but also the armed forces, cops, firemen, miners, construction workers, people living in "tornado alley", on the San Andreas fault, in the Hurricane Belt. The Founding Fathers showed a serious lack of "judgement", not to mention the settlers in the West. Thank God for people who lack your finely developed "judgement". -- Chris Henry, 08:48:45 05/15/03 Thu (cache10-2.ruh.isu.net.sa/212.138.47.29)

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[> [> What it appears that you attempted to do, whether or not you realize it, is to use those violent deaths to attempt to gain sympathy for a political position that you hold. Shameful at best. -- SurveyGuy (we understand more about the Saudi situation vis-a-vis the religious hold over the secular government), 21:39:57 05/14/03 Wed (pcp01422563pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.81.153.209)

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[> [> [> I'm blushing with shame. I should watch fellow-citizens get blown up but not question it, unless of course I come out agreeing with you, in which case it's OK. Same challenge to you as to JL. Then you can afford to be sanctimonious. -- Chris Henry, 01:58:01 05/15/03 Thu (cache1-2.ruh.isu.net.sa/212.138.47.11)

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[> [> [> [> Right - no one died here. I don;t expect to convince you of anything. You must do that for yourself. While you remain in your current environment, your views will reflect that. I hope you stay here BECAUSE we disagree with you and you want to know what we poor uninformed folk think, not because you expect us to change our minds. ... continued - click -- SurveyGuy, 22:21:46 05/15/03 Thu (pcp01422563pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.81.153.209)

. . . continued . . .

I saw half of my extended family killed when a jet plane crashed into a building they were changing in. After swimming About 50 died as I recall, more or less. One cousin lost her mother and younger sister.

I was in that building about two minutes before the crash.

Now that you have my death credentials, you can still have your opinion, but we can still challenge it and point out when we think you have attempted to shamefully use a tragedy. Could you not have kept that post to a respectful tribute to those who died? That you didn't tells something about you and your priorities.

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