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• Oderint dum metuant -- wayne, 00:14:33 10/29/02 Tue (ptlddslgw11poold93.ptld.uswest.net/65.102.3.93)
  Attributed to Lucius Accius
  

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  • oderint dum metuant: Let them hate so long as they fear. - Lucius Accius - Roman tragic poet (170 BC) Believed to be a favorite saying of Caligula. Also translated as "let them hate us, so long as they fear us". Cicero said it. Seneca rebuked Cicero for saying it

    Here is another good one by William Shakespeare, Cymbeline (Posthumus at II, v)

    Yet 'tis greater skill

    In a true hate to pray they have their will;

    The very devils cannot plague them better. (NT) -- William, 01:37:19 10/29/02 Tue

    • "Atque ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appelant." "And where they make a wilderness, they call it peace". From Tacitus, "The life of Cnaeus Julius Agricola". Attributed to a British leader, Galgacus, as a commentary on the Roman approach to securing "peace". Let us hope it is not prophetic once more. (NT) -- Chris Henry, 03:29:27 03/09/03 Sun
  • If it weren't for our resident liguist, William, i would have thought it meant "Order in, dumb mutant." [kust kidding] (NT) -- SurveyGuy (wondering where the rest of Wayne's message is), 11:32:55 10/29/02 Tue
    • See, that's why proofreading is so important... (NT) -- Spock, 17:04:50 10/29/02 Tue
  • Great quote! One of my personal faves! (NT) -- JL, 20:28:06 10/31/02 Thu
    • "Great quote! One of my personal faves!" - and also of Caligula, it seems. He was Rome's most unbalanced Emperor, ever. See http://www.roman-empire.net/emperors/caligula-index.html . Dined with his horse, committed incest with 3 sisters. Hope you don't share all his tastes ;-) (NT) -- Chris Henry, 04:03:14 03/09/03 Sun
      • Chris, I am certain that JL does NOT share all of Caligula's tastes and I think you knew that before you ever typed those words betraying your sarcasm and wit. (NT) -- William, 21:29:34 03/09/03 Sun
        • I did indeed, that's why I put the little ;-) at the end. I'm sure he doesn't dine with his horse. ;-) (NT) -- Chris Henry, 23:52:06 03/09/03 Sun
          • SHE does not dine with horse or upon horse. ; ) (NT) -- JL, 22:05:13 03/13/03 Thu
      • I could care less for horses, nor have I any sisters. I guess I should be OK. To skew from Camus: Helicon: “It takes one day to make a senator and ten years to make a worker.” Caligula: “But I am afraid that it takes twenty years to make a worker out of a senator.” ; ) (NT) -- JL, 22:00:31 03/13/03 Thu
  • Lucius Accius -- Carol Freundlich, 18:27:58 03/08/03 Sat
    • We disagree, Carol. The diplomat may resign if he wishes but that does not make him right or Presiden Bush wrong. Bush is a far better president than Clinton before him or Jimmy Carter back in the 1970s. As a result of many of Clinton's and Carter's actions we have a mess on our hands which was left by Clinton for the current president, George W. Bush, to clean up. I am grateful that Gore did not win the presidency for I think people would really learn the meaning of fear. He would not have a clue nor would the likes of Tom Daschle and others. (NT) -- William, 23:08:35 03/08/03 Sat
    • It is right and just for the US to take pains to root out terrorists and the regimes which support them. We were attacked before, during, and after 9/11 and there must be steps taken to root out these regimes which support militant terrorists and the thugs they support, train, supply, and will supply. Bush is far more honest, up front, and to the point than that show boat administration before him. That is a welcome change. He might not be perfect and I have disagreements with some of this administration's policies but overall he is a far cry from what the alternative was. (NT) -- William, 23:11:52 03/08/03 Sat
      • Nobody has yet supplied any convincing evidence that Iraq or Saddam Hussein supports Al Qaeda. And as for Osama, he's sitting in his cave, chuckling away, because he attacked the USA but the USA is retaliating against a godless unislamic non-Shariah regime that's number 2 on his hitlist. What a manipulator, we're doing exactly what he wants. (NT) -- Chris Henry, 00:02:28 03/09/03 Sun
        • Nonsense, Chris! There IS convincing evidence that Saddam Hussein/Iraq has been and is dealing with al Qaeda. Nevertheless that is not the most important point. The point is that Iraq IS a regime which DOES support, provide training, money, and personnel for terrorists and terrorist activities. They have been providing materials, money, and training for suicide bombers who kill Israeli children. They provide training for terrorists near Baghdad including on a facility equipped with an airline fuselage on which terrorists are trained to hijack and/or attack aircraft as was done on 9/11. (NT) -- William, 02:08:35 03/09/03 Sun
        • There is evidence that Iraqis were working together with al Qaeda and related groups to attack the Alfred P. Murray Federal Building in Oklahoma City 1995. Also, Abu Nidal, one of the most feared and brutal terrorist leaders of the 1980s and early 1990s was welcome in Baghdad for medical attention. When asked by Saddam to train al Qaeda members Abu Nidal refused and was murdered at Saddam's order. There is more than this but that is enough for now. (NT) -- William, 02:12:27 03/09/03 Sun
          • This all sounds like more of the famous and unconvincing Powell and Blair "dossiers". Unfortunately, even with 100+ inspectors crawling all over Iraq, presumably guided by US and UK intelligence, no tangible evidence has been found. Hence the high level of world-wide disbelief. Nobody had problems believing the 1962 Cuba evidence, there were photos for all to see. (NT) -- Chris Henry, 03:12:42 03/09/03 Sun
            • It is also obvious, based on your comment about Collin Powell's testimony, that you choose to devalue the information he presented. That definitely reveals your bias against Powell, the Bush administration, and the United States and your favoritism for Blix, the UN Inspectors, the UN Security Council members opposing action against Saddam, and your favoritism of Saddam himself. Powell offered legitimate evidence against Saddam and Iraq and you and others chose to discount it as was done during the build up of Nazism and the German war machine in the 1930s. History is repeating itself again. (NT) -- William, 15:18:17 03/09/03 Sun
            • Chris, it seems that you do not understand the purpose of the inspections. The UN inspectors are not there to play detective or to take part in an Easter Egg hunt or a "Where's Elmo" hunt. The Iraqis are supposed to disarm and show the inspectors when, how, and where they disarmed. They have not done this. They are in material breach of the cease fire agreement the Iraqis signed in 1991 and Iraq is also in violation of UN resolution 1441. The inspectors are not supposed to find the weapons. (NT) -- William, 15:26:13 03/09/03 Sun
            • Nevertheless there has been tangible evidence found of weapons. There have been numerous shells found which the Iraqis played the part of the surprised with "Gee, how did that get there?". There has been evidence found of nuclear weapons programs as recently as 2002. Blix himself failed to tell of the unmanned drone which Iraq has and which was buried in Blix's report and Blix failed to mention the drums and sprayers which can be used to deliver chemical and biological weapons which Iraq has. (NT) -- William, 15:28:05 03/09/03 Sun
            • You mention photos of Cuba from the Missile Crisis. Have you failed to notice the photos of Iraqis moving materials from buildings known to house WMDs? Have you failed to notice recorded conversations among Iraqis signaling one another of Inspectors coming and to move the materials? Have you failed to notice the scientists and military officers who defected and revealed the breaches of Iraq in their WMD program and the fact that it is confirmed that Iraq is hiding these weapons, have shipped a good portion of them to Syria, Libya, and elsewhere while they had plenty of time to do so, etc.? (NT) -- William, 15:35:52 03/09/03 Sun
              • "Methinks she doth protest too much" - Shakespeare, Hamlet. I wish I got this rate of return on my mutual funds. I especially like the one about Oklahoma. (NT) -- Chris Henry, 23:55:18 03/09/03 Sun
                • Chris, thanks for your reply. The quote from Shakespeare's "Hamlet", Act III, Scene 2, is not "Me thinks she doth protest too much" but "The lady doth protest too much, methinks". It was spoken by the queen to her son while they observe a play taking place on a stage. The character in the play was denying something, the same way Saddam Hussein, the UN, and the anti-US and anti-war factions are doing today. (NT) -- William, 14:24:01 03/10/03 Mon
        • OK, so those 'suicide bomber training camps' are just for fun. Like the Boy Scouts or 4H. And the 'reward' $$$? When will you all figure out that it is NOT numerous separate wars but the SAME war? GEEZ! (NT) -- JL (head is sore from hitting all the brick walls trying to reason with these ... ), 22:12:03 03/13/03 Thu
      • So which country is more liable to supply nuclear weapons to terrorists - Iraq, just certified as having no nuclear program, or North Korea, which tells everyone about theirs? That's why Bush plans to attack the former, but believes we can deal with the latter "thru diplomacy". Go figure. (NT) -- Chris Henry, 00:17:53 03/09/03 Sun
        • Chris, who is certifying Iraq as having no nuclear weapons program? Hans Blix? There has been evidence of Saddam's nuclear weapons program as recently as year 2002 and even recently. There are numerous military officers and scientists who have defected who have given testimony that Saddam is working on WMDs including biological weapons, chemical weapons, and nuclear weapons. (Click for more) -- William, 02:32:58 03/09/03 Sun
          • Two days ago, the Inspectors' report in the UN Security Council. Of course, you can choose to disbelieve them. But in that case, who are you going to believe? (NT) -- Chris Henry, 03:05:58 03/09/03 Sun
            • Blix has already revealed a bias in his reporting and has extended beyond his role as chief inspector by injecting conjecture and theory into his interpretations of Iraq's weapons and their intended use as well as his interpretation of such subjects as aluminum tubes, chemicals, shells, movement of materials and satellite photographs of said recorded activity. I believe Collin Powell, Condaleezza Rice, and George W. Bush, George Tenet, and others before I would believe Hans Blix or Saddam Hussein, and I would believe the Bush administration before I would believe Saddam Hussein. (NT) -- William, 15:11:08 03/09/03 Sun
              • William, it's strange how much I, Hans Blix, everyone except you in fact, is "biased". That's worth pondering for a minute. (NT) -- Chris Henry, 23:49:45 03/09/03 Sun
                • Chris, don't cry and please stop exaggerating. I never said "everyone" is bias, you said that. I never said I was not or am not bias, you said that. I am bias about a great many things. I support the president regarding Iraq and Saddam Hussein. I am pro-life and I oppose abortion. I am bias toward parents raising children at home and not farming them out to day care, preschool, etc. This does contribute to the deterioration in the fabric of our society in a number of levels for children do not bond as stronly with their parents and have a more fractured upbrining through this practice. (NT) -- William, 14:39:19 03/10/03 Mon
                • I favor extended breastfeeding babies over formula/bottle feeding. I am bias against much of what passes for "music." I favor Latin, Classical, Jazz, Rock, Country, Cajun, Hawaiian, Indian, Chinese, Japanese and a few other forms of music over hip-hop, rap, and heavy metal. I am have a bias for Indian, Chinese, Thai, Italian, Burmese, Vietnamese, and a few other forms or styles of food over McDonald's, meat and potatoes, etc. I definitely have my own biases. In the case of the UN weapons inspectors, Hans Blix is overstepping his role as chief inspector and siding with Iraq and the French. (NT) -- William, 14:46:07 03/10/03 Mon
    • Kiesling/Oderint dum metuant -- Kim, 07:20:01 03/10/03 Mon
      • Kim, thanks for the "suggestion" but I read that article a few days ago already. Nevertheless, people throughout history have had feelings or made decisions as Kielsing have made and in some cases they later regretted their decision and realized they were wrong and in other cases they were happy that they made such a decision. Bush is the president and he is responsible for protecting US citizens, not the UN, not Turkey, not France, who helped with Afghanistan by providing 4,500 troops and whose General Lafayette helped the Colonies in their fight against British. (NT) -- William, 14:53:20 03/10/03 Mon

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• "Dr" Reggie Bryant -- LJP, 15:59:26 10/04/02 Fri (NoHost/146.145.96.201)
  I caught a show called "In Pursuit Of Truth" on WHAT. The host, Reggie Bryant, was waxing poetic about his anti-war stance. To Reggie, war has never solved a thing - EVER! So, I called to say that war is sometimes necessary and was challenged - what has it ever done? I contended that it created this country, and we're better off here than our original homelands. Well, he called me an arrogant American, claimed that "so called democracy" is not the bestfor of govt." I asked him what was? I brought woman's rights in Arabic countries, famine in Africa. He then told me I was brainwashed! and talked about lynchings!! Then of course, he hung up on me, and, after I was off the air, called me a bigot.
  
  What's the deal with this cat? Anyone here know what the deal is with this crazy (commie) cat?
  

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  • His actions and words speak for themselves. By the way, LJB, are you black or did you identify youfself upon calling inas black? Did you identify yourself as white or did Reggie Bryant assume you were white? If you identified yourself as black you would probably have been accused of sounding white or being an "Uncle Thom" or "House Negro". If you are white or identified as white you automatically are fair game for black racsim. By the way, why listen to this hate monger's program anyway? (NT) -- William, 16:12:05 10/04/02 Fri
    • Does Dr. Reggie Bryant have a Ph.D. -- Louis, 21:45:48 06/10/03 Tue
      • Definitely....B.S., M.S., Piled higher & Deeper.... (NT) -- Spock, 11:11:03 06/11/03 Wed
      • Doctor Bryant -- John, 13:18:31 06/18/03 Wed
  • A word to the wise: consider the source. The whole line of thinking so energetically propagated on WHAT-the-hell's airwaves is a runaway crazy-train; no way would they stop for so pittly a thing as "logic." When their mind's made up, don't confuse them with the facts. (NT) -- Spock, 16:30:03 10/04/02 Fri
  • WHAT is a station that seems to be where blacks who are losers can blame whitey, the govt, or anyone convenient. The only thing they're in pursuit of is a paycheck. If you are white or a black man or woman who has worked hard and taken responsibility then you are denegrated. That's why almost no one here listens to 'HAT as long as we continue to get reports that they continue the hate speech. In the end it controls those who would rather scapegoat than escape the dependency. You are someone who appreciates what you have. Welcome aboard. (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 22:08:00 10/08/02 Tue
    • Is white right wing radio any different? Not really, if you are objective. Both types of radio pander to the lowest common denominator of each race. I'm surprised no one else here can see that. It's really obvious, one only has to listen to a WPHT or WHAT for a short time to figure that out. (NT) -- Mary Katherine, 17:39:25 10/09/02 Wed
      • Which "white right wing radio" are you referring to? Please define and give examples so that we can "be objective". Thank you. (NT) -- William, 20:41:31 10/09/02 Wed
      • Are you related to 'Richard'? Or are we just fortunate enough to be subjected to both of you simultaneuosly? Listen and LEARN. Smell the freakin' coffee. GAACCK. Do you support Hillarious R. Klintoon? Just curious. (NT) -- JL (aren't they funny?), 20:58:56 10/09/02 Wed
      • "Dr" Reggie Bryant -- LJP, 12:32:51 10/14/02 Mon
        • Don't let him get to you. There are people who get away with bullying others because they have access to the microphone and other believers who have the same set of values, or lack thereof. I give you the Muslim militants/Islamofascists and their leaders and the less militant but cooperative Muslims who follow and support them as an example. You cannot argue with them. As one wise man allegedly said sometime in history long ago "A wise man must never argue with a fool. Observers nearby will often not be able to tell the difference." (NT) -- William, 13:48:23 10/14/02 Mon
    • A 'paycheck'? As much as I luv ya, SG, I feel you are in error here. An 'ENTITLEMENT' or 'HANDOUT'? ... absolutely! (NT) -- JL (let's call a spade a spade), 21:20:22 10/09/02 Wed
      • I was speaking of the WHAT folks, not their callers about whom I agree based on what I have personally heard. But what do playing cards or garden shovels have to do with this? [grin?] (NT) -- SG, 22:57:25 10/09/02 Wed
        • Smilin' back atcha! (NT) -- JL, 22:36:08 10/11/02 Fri
  • Comment: THIS POST WAS BROUGHT TO THE TOP BECAUSE LOUIS POSTED A QUERY on 6/10. I dare say that few here have time or desire to listen to that kind of radio. (NT) -- SurveyGuy (The above post was better left for the Philly Talk Radio board.), 18:54:10 06/11/03 Wed

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• reggie bryants degree -- John, 20:12:00 06/16/03 Mon (cache-dl03.proxy.aol.com/205.188.209.39)
  Reggie Bryant has a bachelor's and master's degree from Temple U. No doctorate. For additional details see the following site. http://www.delleast.org/instructors.html
  
  Reggie is always very antagonistic when people ask him about his credentials and he never corrects them when they call him doctor. I think he's a real phoney. He loves to say "it's not what you know that hurts you, but what you know that just ain't so". What a hypocrite.
  

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• This is a phenomenon which I think warrants addressing and concern. -- William, 10:12:00 11/25/02 Mon (cache-rl02.proxy.aol.com/152.163.189.98)
  
  Although some of the harassed in this article are Christians, I do not think that this phenomomenon is directed soley toward Christians, nor do I think that their being Christians justifies their unjust and reprehensible treatment.
  
  

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  Pastor and Christian Camp Face Human Rights Charges over Moral Principles
  
  Harassment by Canadian Human Rights Tribunals Increasing Over Homosexual Issue
  
  RED DEER, AB, November 22, 2002 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Cases of harassment and economic penalties imposed upon Canadian Christians who speak out against the social, medical and spiritual dangers of homosexuality are on the rise. LifeSite has learned of two more cases of such harassment by human rights tribunals.
  
  MP Vic Toews, the Justice critic for the Canadian Alliance has called on the Manitoba Government to "immediately move to clarify the law to ensure that religious organizations are not singled out because of their moral position on homosexuality." The Provencher MP points out that Camp Arnes, a camp on Lake Winnipeg run by the Mennonite Brethren Church of Manitoba, is facing a challenge under the Manitoba Human Rights Act for denying access to the camp to the Winnipeg Gay and Lesbian Choir. The Act says that groups or individuals cannot be discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation.
  
  In a related case in Alberta, Rev. Stephen Boissoin is facing a human rights complaint brought by homosexual activist and University of Calgary professor Dr. Darren Lund. Rev. Boissoin, an outstanding citizen who for nine years ran an outreach to troubled youth that had 100-150 teens who would frequent it weekly, raised the ire of homosexual activists with a letter to the editor of a local paper which served as a wakeup call to parents regarding homosexual activism in schools. Lund accused Rev. Boissoin of hatemongering in comments to the press and when a local teen was beaten by hooligans supposedly because of his homosexual inclinations, Rev. Boissoin's letter was blamed.
  
  Boissoin's damaged reputation caused the loss of funding to his youth outreach which was forced to close due to lack of funds. Now Boissoin is faced with retaining a lawyer to defend himself against the human rights complaint.
  
  At least 6 mayors across the country have been reprimanded and some fined - one as much as $10,000 - for refusing to proclaim 'gay pride day'. Ontario printer Scott Brockie was fined for refusing to print homosexual activist material, and a man (Hugh Owens) has been fined for a newspaper ad quoting the Bible on homosexuality. These and many other incidents have become part of a growing harassment of Christians in Canada over this issue. A dangerous denial of traditional democratic rights of religious belief and free speech has become pervasive.
  

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  • Homophobic Reverend -- Does it really matter, 17:22:04 11/28/02 Thu
    • And your source for this character assasination is .... ? Exaggerated future projections tend to discredit what you post (much like Tom Daschle's harangues). Religious freedom is also a victim here. Anyone care to sort this out?> (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 17:55:36 11/28/02 Thu
    • author:Does it really matter
      yes, it does.... own your words... (NT) -- H_Bergeron, 02:36:15 12/01/02 Sun
    • couple of mysteries solved:
      1) the poster is most likely Tanner Waldo link
      this post is a verbatim quote from his weblog...
      2) Rev. Boissoin runs the center, which is also a church supported by other churches
      so I would say "get your own venue if you don't like him"
      3) from Google I can conclude this guy isn't even Fred "godhatesfags.com" Phelps, let alone Hitler..
      4) his website (thesermonator.com) is down, he's resigned from the local Christian Coalition
      and he's defending himself against 2 lawsuits... (NT) -- H_Bergeron (Google is my friend), 03:17:27 12/01/02 Sun
  • camp arnes debate -- Tony, 09:12:55 12/07/02 Sat
  • further info regarding "Camp Arnes" -- Tony, 09:18:23 12/07/02 Sat

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• In honor of SurveyGuy -- William, 12:15:42 11/10/02 Sun (cache-dq01.proxy.aol.com/205.188.209.133)
  
  
  In honor of SurveyGuy, who has been a driving force in maintaining this message board which I and others enjoy partaking in, and whose posts are normally terse, insightful, and thought provoking, I present this tid bit from "the Bard" himself.
  
  Since brevity is the soul of wit... I will be brief...
  
  From Shakespeare's Hamlet.
  
  Spoken by Polonius Act II Scene ii, line 96
  

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  • What?! No cash award with this honor? (NT) -- SG, 09:14:39 11/11/02 Mon
    • 'Tis true 'tis a pity, and 'tis a pity 'tis true.... (NT) -- Spock (further channeling Polonius), 12:51:13 11/11/02 Mon
    • No legacy is so rich as honesty. ('All's Well that Ends Well' ... Act 3 Scene 5) (NT) -- JL :), 18:58:07 11/12/02 Tue
  • God, I want to barf! (NT) -- Rolf, 19:00:08 11/11/02 Mon
    • Hmmm, I don't think that's from one of the Bard's plays. Was that from one of the sonnets? It doesn't sound Elizabethan. (NT) -- SG, 20:34:54 11/11/02 Mon
      • Definitely missing that iambic pentameter....Perhaps the full phrasing goes "God, I want to barf into my shoe!/To wit I surely have naught else to do!" (NT) -- Spock (yeah, that fits), 11:25:53 11/12/02 Tue
        • Excellent interpretation. Methinks this humorous exchange is going over the heads of some visitors. It is good to not take ourselves seriously on a slow news day. (NT) -- SG, 15:42:53 11/12/02 Tue
      • I think he meant he wants to eat the Indian dessert, Barfi! (NT) -- William, 13:29:02 11/12/02 Tue
        • I am unfamiliar with that dish. Is it one of those sweet rice and coconut dishes or what? I have never tried Indian cooking, but did take a vegetarian course from an Indian woman with a Ph.D. in biology so I learned a little about her cuisine. Lots of cutting up for that style of cooking. (NT) -- SG, 17:40:24 11/12/02 Tue
          • SurveyGuy, here inside this message subject link is a recipe for "Barfi" an Indian fudge candy treat. I do enjoy Indian food very much. An Indian desert I enjoy very much is "Gulab Juman" which is milk ball in rose water, or a form of sweet syrup. It is sweet and often served warm. I enjoy Mango Ice Cream, Mango Lassi drink (not an alcoholic beverage. I don't drink any alcohol whatsoever), and I enjoy mango chutney with some dishes, such as some finger foods like Vegetable Samosa, patada wada, and others. I hope you, and anyone else here who choses to try it, enjoy it. -- William, 13:37:55 11/20/02 Wed
            • Thanks. It certainly is a simple recipe. I can see how a mango would go with it. Sort of like peaches and cream, only sweeter. (NT) -- SG (reposted), 22:48:43 11/20/02 Wed

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• Frustrated, U.S. Arms Team to Leave Iraq - see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40212-2003May10.html No comment, I've said it all before. -- Chris Henry, 02:52:15 05/12/03 Mon (cache9-2.ruh.isu.net.sa/212.138.47.20)
  BAGHDAD -- The group directing all known U.S. search efforts for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is winding down operations without finding proof that President Saddam Hussein kept clandestine stocks of outlawed arms, according to participants.
  
  The 75th Exploitation Task Force, as the group is formally known, has been described from the start as the principal component of the U.S. plan to discover and display forbidden Iraqi weapons. The group's departure, expected next month, marks a milestone in frustration for a major declared objective of the war.
  
  Leaders of Task Force 75's diverse staff -- biologists, chemists, arms treaty enforcers, nuclear operators, computer and document experts, and special forces troops -- arrived with high hopes of early success. They said they expected to find what Secretary of State Colin L. Powell described at the U.N. Security Council on Feb. 5 -- hundreds of tons of biological and chemical agents, missiles and rockets to deliver the agents, and evidence of an ongoing program to build a nuclear bomb.
  
  Scores of fruitless missions broke that confidence, many task force members said in interviews.
  
  Army Col. Richard McPhee, who will close down the task force next month, said he took seriously U.S. intelligence warnings on the eve of war that Hussein had given "release authority" to subordinates in command of chemical weapons. "We didn't have all these people in [protective] suits" for nothing, he said. But if Iraq thought of using such weapons, "there had to have been something to use. And we haven't found it. . . . Books will be written on that in the intelligence community for a long time."
  

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  • Yup, saw that. Typical Washington Post -- telling half of a story. As I said before, this will take 6 months. They are just changing teams as far as I can see. (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 17:22:45 05/12/03 Mon

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• Why does it give such joy to pick on the French? -- SurveyGuy, 16:22:17 02/19/03 Wed (maxtnt03-287.phlpa.fast.net/209.92.231.33)
  
  
  
  

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  • I dunno -- call it "joie de vie," I guess? (NT) -- Spock, 17:07:52 02/19/03 Wed
  • Do you remember what several of us said here about two years ago? We said that the US should attack France. Now it is more true than ever before. They are hypocrites. They destroyed a ship which went to protest the French testing nuclear devices in Tahiti. They used military force in the Ivory Coast without UN approval, did the same to Vietnam, Africa, Algeria, and elsewhere. They are hypocrites, anti-Semites, socialists, communists, and racists. The belief that Europe, and France itself is somehow superior to the US, even in the area of racism, is a farce. (NT) -- William, 22:07:03 02/19/03 Wed
    • Talking about hypocrisy and sinking ships, do you remember when USS Liberty was attacked in 1967 with the loss of 34 American lives, watched by one of our surveillance aircraft flying overhead? Do you want us to declare war on Israel? How about the country that illegally captured USS Pueblo? The same one that is now sticking a finger up at us, Japan, South Korea? Are we going to attack them? Not on your life, far too dangerous, let's indulge them like spoilt children, we only want to attack weak countries where we have a chance of winning. (NT) -- Chris Henry, 04:56:55 03/04/03 Tue
      • Your account of the USS Liberty attack is bias and flawed at best. The USS Liberty attack was a mistake. The Israelis were being fired upon by a ship in the region and thought it was the Liberty. There was an Egyptian ship in the area and it was possible Israel thought this was that ship. The US Navy itself also investigated and determined that it was a mistake. Israel did compensate the US for this error and loss of life. During the Gulf War there were dozens of soldiers injured or killed by "friendly fire." (NT) -- William, 02:37:58 03/08/03 Sat
      • In Iraq our own jets fired on and brought down two of our own helicopters. It happens during a war. USS Liberty was fired upon on day four of the six day war of 1967. I question your claim that there was US surveillance aircraft in the area watching the whole event. At that time the US did not with to provoke the Soviet Union and tried to stay out of the region.

        Regarding North Korea: Have you noticed that China, Japan, and South Korea have been doing virtually nothing to control North Korea? Has the whole world gone to sleep? (NT) -- William, 02:49:14 03/08/03 Sat

      • I have more about North Korea in this sub page. Just click on this text. Before I move there, however, regarding Israel again, think about it, Chris. The US is/was Israel's closest friend and supporter then in 1967. Do you really think that Israel would actually attack the US and make an enemy out of their own, lone ally when the Soviet Union, Europe, and Arabia were chomping at the bit to destroy Israel and Jews? I don't think so. -- William, 03:14:53 03/08/03 Sat
  • In the US blacks for one group, do much better than anywhere in the world, including Africa, and including France. I think we should attack France and Germany then attack Iraq. As Bush said about one year ago, if you are not with us in the war on terrorism, then you are against us. Germany had more than 80 companies which supplied Saddam Hussein with his weapons and France has been doing business with Iraq for a very long time and has a lot of money tied up in Iraq. Thank God that Israel had enough sense to destroy the French built Iraqi Nuclear power center! (NT) -- William, 22:08:23 02/19/03 Wed
    • In the immortal words of Peter Sellers, "There is a 'bum' in your 'rum.'" (NT) -- Spock, 15:17:19 02/20/03 Thu
      • Hi, Spock! It is good to see you posting again. I enjoy this forum and it is a lot more fun when people actually interact here. This past two weeks has been fun because Vince, H Bergeron, JL, SurveyGuy, you, Pat, Surf, and I don't remember who else, actually stopped by, increasing comments here at this forum. ... By the way, Spock, I need some snow removal done at our home here. Do you know anyone who will do it for us? (NT) -- William, 18:02:14 02/20/03 Thu
        • I think there's a guy in your mirror who could do it...(he'll certainly get there faster than the city, anyway) (NT) -- Spock, 13:07:06 02/25/03 Tue
  • Maybe because we have no retort to others who would do so? CESM!!! (NT) -- JL (LMAO!!!), 23:01:30 02/20/03 Thu
    • Y'know, the rench guy in the cartoon resembles Inspector Clouseau. Good to have you guys around here. Hope all has been well. I've been busy so I expect everyone to disappear for a while now and then. Lots of lurkers on this board and they are very welcome. (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 22:03:31 02/21/03 Fri
      • Hi there! Could it be the Durante-like schnozz that causes us to make that connection? Naaaaa. ; ) I came home just in time for all this nice weather we are having. In a way it is a good thing for me as it inspires me to stay home and tackle many unattended chores. BTW... -- JL, 13:35:36 02/22/03 Sat
        • spill it on the tea party -- don't know that one yet (NT) -- Spock, 13:11:33 02/25/03 Tue
          • The Great American Tea Party 2003 (NT) -- JL, 18:46:08 02/25/03 Tue
        • Hilarioso! I guess the only parts I'm skeptical about are what this would do to the sewers on down to their outlets. Plus I live in an apartment...with certain restrictions on what's flushable, ie, if it ain't toilet paper, don't. But, I can easily go along with not purchasing anything new with French or Germany origins. I hesitate on buying only American, though: unfortunately, many American products often leave quality wanting. (NT) -- Spock, 11:07:40 02/26/03 Wed
          • Zut!!! I live in an apartment also. Guess I'd better remove Le Grey Poupon from le jar before I flush, eh? Sadly, I also have problems with many American-made goods. But I can get by without the few items I do buy from unfriendly foreigners like France, Germany, Vermont, and Kalifornia. (NT) -- JL, 19:03:21 02/27/03 Thu
  • Probably because it's easier to attack a person than to attack his arguments, as illustrated by this hilarious cartoon and the profoundly witty "cheese eating surrender monkeys" insult. It's really upsetting when people want to stop us doing something stupid, just ask the next 5-year-old you see having a tantrum. Problem is, most people outside this continent agree with the French. Perhaps we should declare war on them all. (NT) -- Chris Henry, 04:37:19 03/04/03 Tue
    • "most people outside this continent agree with the French" Chris, you have offered no proof to support your allegations claiming that most people outside of this continent agree with the French. The anti-America brain dead crowd repeat this claim ad nauseum with not proof to support it. The voices of those who agree with the USA are not carried over the national and international news media as well as the anti-US sentiment is mainly because these people are not given the same voice. (NT) -- William, 20:37:32 03/09/03 Sun
    • There are millions of people in Iran, who have been protesting in the millions on virtually a daily basis for regime change and for a government and business to interact with the US and for support of the US, Iraq, in which dissent is silenced, and elsewhere throughout the world who do agree with the US and appreciate the US presence on this planet for they know what would become of them were the US to disappear. (NT) -- William, 20:42:16 03/09/03 Sun
    • This is espeically true of Europe whose very existence is possible only because the US actually protected them. Nevertheless the majority of the people are not always right or correct and this is what separates a leader from someone who is not a leader. Sometimes a leader must do what they know to be right and just no matter the numbers who oppose him. Regarding your idea about a five year old and their temper tantrum, this is the role of France, Iraq, and a few others. (NT) -- William, 20:52:28 03/09/03 Sun
    • The US itself has displayed great restraint since 9/11 and has not rushed to war against Iraq but has taken pains to gain the support of the UN security council and gave Saddam numerous chances to redeem himself which he has not done.

      It is remarkable to observe how Saddam Hussein and others of his ilk are given a free pass while the US President, George W. Bush and GB Prime Minister Blair and others are given the third degree. Saddam is the wacko here, not Bush and Blair. The UN and the brain dead anti-America and blame America crowd are his enablers and enablers of others like him. (NT) -- William, 21:11:43 03/09/03 Sun

    • Regarding this statement of your Chris: " most people outside this continent agree with the French. Perhaps we should declare war on them all." That statement speaks volumes to the emptiness of your position. It cheapens your claim to any semblence of reality or grasp of the facts and leaves you with not a leg to stand on. Of course we are not going to make war on them all and to suggest that we would is absurd. Don't be a jerk! (NT) -- William, 21:20:08 03/09/03 Sun
      • William, it is regrettable that you have to be insulting. (NT) -- Chris Henry, 05:37:58 03/10/03 Mon
      • Well perhaps, instead of being gratuitously insulting, you could explain the consistency of your argument that we should attack the French for disagreeingwith us, but not other countries that disagree also. And please try to do so without calling me names. (NT) -- Chris Henry, 05:43:27 03/10/03 Mon

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• Now here's something different ... pretty interesting, but where might it lead if it works? -- SurveyGuy, 18:32:26 05/19/03 Mon (pcp01422563pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.81.153.209)
  I'll Be Watching You (click for RealAudio music to accompany reading of article)
  
  http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-2694090,00.html
  
  Pentagon System Hopes to Identify Walks
  
  Monday May 19, 2003 9:09 PM
  Pentagon system hopes to identify walks<< Pentagon anti-terror surveillance system hopes to identify people by the way they walk
  By MICHAEL J. SNIFFEN,Associated Press Writer
  
  WASHINGTON (AP) - Watch your step! The Pentagon is developing a radar-based device that can identify people by the way they walk, for use in a new antiterrorist surveillance system.
  
  Operating on the theory that an individual's walk is as unique as a signature, the Pentagon has financed a research project at the Georgia Institute of Technology that has been 80 to 95 percent successful in identifying people.
  
  If the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA, orders a prototype, the individual "gait signatures" of people could become part of the data to be linked together in a vast surveillance system the Pentagon agency calls Total Information Awareness.
  
  That system already has raised privacy alarms on both ends of the political spectrum, and Congress in February barred its use against American citizens without further congressional review.
  
  Nevertheless, government documents reviewed by The Associated Press show that scores of major defense contractors and prominent universities applied last year for the first research contracts to design and build the surveillance and analysis system.
  
  DARPA is the federal agency that helped develop the Internet as a research tool for universities and government contractors. Its newest project is massive by any measure.
  
  In its advice to contractors, DARPA declared, ``The amounts of data that will need to be stored and accessed will be unprecedented, measured in petabytes.''
  
  One petabyte would dwarf most existing databases; it's roughly equal to 50 times the Library of Congress, which holds more than 18 million books.
  
  Conceived and managed by retired Adm. John Poindexter, the TIA surveillance system is based on his theory that "terrorists must engage in certain transactions to coordinate and conduct attacks against Americans, and these transactions form patterns that may be detectable."
  
  DARPA said the goal is to draw conclusions and predictions about terrorists from databases that record such transactions as passport applications, visas, work permits, driver's licenses, car rentals, airline ticket purchases, arrests or reports of suspicious activities.
  
  Other databases DARPA wants to access include financial, education, medical and housing records and biometric identification databases based on fingerprints, irises, facial shapes and gait.
  
  TIA is an effort to design breakthrough software "for treating these databases as a virtual, centralized grand database" capable of being quickly mined by counterintelligence officers even though the data will be held in many places, many languages and many formats, DARPA documents say.
  
  One goal is to provide "focused warnings within an hour after a triggering event occurs," the documents say.
  
  Poindexter's plan would integrate some projects DARPA has been working on for several years, including research headed by Gene Greneker at Georgia Tech.
  
  At a cost of less than $1 million over the past three years, he has been aiming a 1-foot-square radar dish at 100 test volunteers to record how they walk. Elsewhere at Georgia Tech, DARPA is funding other researchers to use video cameras and computers to try to develop distinctive gait signatures.
  
  "One of the nice things about radar is we see through bad weather, darkness, even a heavy robe shrouding the legs, and video cameras can't," Greneker said in an interview. "At 600 feet we can do quite well."
  
  And the target doesn't have to be doing a Michael Jackson moonwalk to be distinctive because the radar detects small frequency shifts in the reflected signal off legs, arms and the torso as they move in a combination of different speeds and directions.
  
  "There's a signature that's somewhat unique to the individual," Greneker said. "We've demonstrated proof of this concept."
  
  The researchers are anticipating ways the system might be fooled.
  
  "A woman switching from flats to high heels probably wouldn't change her signature significantly,'' Greneker said. ``But if she switched to combat boots, that might have a difference."
  
  The system could be used by embassy security officers to conclude that a shadowy figure observed a few hundred feet away at night or in heavy clothing on a Monday, Wednesday and Friday was the same person and should be investigated further to see if he was casing the building for an attack, Greneker said.
  
  At a restricted facility, the technology could warn security officers that an approaching person was probably not an employee by comparing his gait with those on file. "And we now know how to detect people who are carrying heavy packages, which could include a 25-pound bomb in a backpack," Greneker said.
  
  Greneker hasn't gotten caught up in the privacy debate. "We are research and development people. We think about what's possible, not what the government will do with it. That's somebody else's job. And this isn't a weapons system."
  
  DARPA contracting records made available through a Freedom of Information lawsuit filed by the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a privacy advocacy group, show Poindexter agreed to fund 26 research projects and rejected 154 others through last Dec. 4. Other DARPA contract award data were released under FOIA to the Center for Public Integrity, an ethics advocacy group.
  
  One of the largest was a contract for up to $27 million to Veridian Systems Division of Arlington, Va., to design software to allow "intelligence analysts and decision makers to jointly participate in the development of a full range of contingencies."
  

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  • I'm calling the psychic hotline. I'll try Miss Cleo. What? You say they are no longer in business? Okay, I'll try Sylvia Brown from Montel Williams' show. Maybe she can tell me who is the bad guy in advance of an attack whereas this technology and its questionable reliability requires observing a suspected terrorist for some time before determining that they might be a terrorist up to no good and even then you still don't know and you still have to guess. Maybe Sylvia Brown or even the Amazing Kreskin can help. (NT) -- William, 23:48:11 05/19/03 Mon
    • I believe the idea initially is to use it in controlled areas, when people who are supposed to be there are know to the computer.Hence when someone is spotted who is "unrecognized" a warning flag goes up. Then later, if known terrorists can be entered into the system, perhaps from some video fotage or something, the capabilities will grow as information is acquired. Seems a little too theoretical for me at this time. Perhaps they will make you walk and be videoed when you renew your driver's license. [grin] (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 20:56:38 05/20/03 Tue
  • Mama DID tell me those 2 busted ankles would come back to haunt me one day. (NT) -- JL, 21:49:40 05/20/03 Tue

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• This is always a good controversy. They haven't learned English in 12 years enough to pass an exam. The result of an educational fraud as well as widespread student laziness and pandering to hispanics instead of educating them. (Is my statement provacative enough to sdtart a conversation?) -- SurveyGuy, 09:42:26 05/09/03 Fri (pcp01422563pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.81.153.209)
  http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32471
  BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
  Students: English-only test unfair
  Hundreds of seniors stage protest over state exam
  © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
  
  Waving signs and chanting "No FCAT," about 200 students protested Florida's standardized assessment test outside Miami Senior High School, reports WPLG-TV.
  
  The demonstration followed the release earlier this week of students' results on Florida's Comprehensive Assessment Test, or FCAT. The annual exam is given to students in third through 10th grade.
  
  The Associated Press reports nearly 14,000 12th-graders still haven't passed the FCAT, which puts their graduation in jeopardy.
  
  About 100 out of 500 seniors from Miami Senior High who took the exam failed, according to the Miami-Dade County School Board.
  
  Many of the protesting students call the test unfair because it is given in English. Roughly 88 percent of the student body are English-as-a-second-language students.
  
  "Imagine here, where we are a Hispanic-based society, a lot of these students out here protesting – they don't know English," Gertter Martin, who failed the FCAT twice, told WPLG-TV.
  
  "I'm scared. My dreams are [over.] I want to be a doctor and because of that I can't do it," said Jessica Duran who also failed the test.
  
  Six of every 10 seniors who have yet to pass the FCAT, which is required for graduation, have the grades to graduate.
  
  The protesters got support from some educators who showed up at the rally.
  
  "How can you tell somebody who's been in school for 12 years, who's met all the requirements and because they haven't passed a test that they can't get their diploma?" said Gus Barrera of Miami-Dade County Schools.
  
  State Rep. Ralph Arza, who is also a Miami High teacher, plans to introduce legislation next week to offer the FCAT in other languages.
  
  Seniors who failed this time around have the option of taking an adult education course and retaking the test again next month.
  
  Those who don't want a diploma can get a general education degree, or GED.
  
  Meanwhile, the protesting students have another score to settle. School officials told the news station that those who did not go to class on time and took part in the rally will likely be suspended.
  

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  • SurveyGuy, can someone please slap these whiners and wake them up? They are living in the United States, not Cuba, Mexico, Guatemala, Ecuador, Peru, Puerto Rico, El Salvador, Belize, and on and on. English is the National Language here, or should be. I wonder why Chinese and Japanese students can attend grade school, high school, and college without having the classes in their own language, and still pass ... at the head of their class. No, I don't really wonder. The Asians and Orientals don't make excuses for themselves as a group. (NT) -- William, 15:30:34 05/10/03 Sat
  • Asians and Orientals do the work which must be done and they get results. In the mean time, the Hispanics and Blacks especially in the US have had too many excuses made for them and rely too much on excuses and special privileges and won't make the proper effort but want society to bend to their will. Good luck trying to be a doctor in the USA Who cannot speak or understand English, unless you think you are dealing with only Spanish speaking patients and hospital staff and attending only Spanish lectures, classes, and medical reviews! (NT) -- William, 15:32:27 05/10/03 Sat
  • William, I totally agree with you, for once! There is a correlation between social ambition and the ability to learn the official language. I forsee the day when South Florida is declared a bilingual zone, and schoolchildren are forced to learn both languages. (NT) -- Chris Henry (although feeling a bit guilty because of his limited command of the language in the country where he temporarily resides), 02:27:20 05/11/03 Sun

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• This looks like something we hear from kids in many public schools throughout the United States -- William, 02:35:52 07/04/03 Fri (cache-dl03.proxy.aol.com/205.188.209.39)
  

  Imagine, with the quality of some public school education systems today, the following historical presentation being given by a student.

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  Little Known Fact

  Many stories have come to us from the tragic sinking of the great ship Titanic . . . some are not as well known as others.

  Most people don't know that back in 1912, Hellman's mayonnaise was manufactured in England.

  In fact, the "Titanic" was carrying 12,000 jars of the condiment scheduled for delivery in Vera Cruz, Mexico, which was to be the next port of call for the great ship after New York. To date, the largest shipment ever exported to Mexico.

  The people of Mexico, who were crazy about the stuff, were eagerly awaiting delivery and were disconsolate at the loss.

  So much so that they declared a National Day of mourning which they still observe today. It is known, of course, as Sinko de Mayo.
  

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  • Do I dare concoct a sequel? Here goes. Months later sevral cases of the tasty stuff washed up on the gulf shore. The conconction arriving in such a manner caused the religious inhabitants to refer to it as the miracle whip.
    (NT) -- SG, 07:22:21 07/04/03 Fri
  • Man you had me going !! (NT) -- Surf, 14:35:04 07/16/03 Wed
    • Hello, Surf! How are you and your family enjoying your summer? (NT) -- William, 02:37:40 07/17/03 Thu

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• Title:   Idiot Comment of the week (Ann Coulter) -- H_Bergeron, 01:59:55 07/11/03 Fri (pcp04097145pcs.neave01.pa.comcast.net/68.81.189.215)
  from the Interesting People email list:
  
  

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   From: Freematt357@aol.com
  
   Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:50:08 EDT
  
   To: farber@cis.upenn.edu
  
   Subject: Idiot Comment of the week (Ann Coulter)
  
   
  
   Idiot Comment of the week (Ann Coulter)
  
   
  
   "No serious person thinks that we are in the middle of a civil-liberties crisis"
  
   
  
   Ann Coulter, Time Magazine July 14, 2003 
  
  (via Page 8, 10 questions for Ann Coulter)

  
  
  link to full article
  
  Q and A in context with statement bolded
  
  Q: In Treason you say, "Liberals' principal contribution to the war on terrorism
  has been to bill themselves as a corrective to 'jingoism.' Their real goal is too appalling to state out loud."
  Care to state it out loud?
  A: They are rooting against America.
  I don't think there is any other way to explain hysterical claims of a civil-liberties emergency
  in this country every time John Ashcroft talks to a Muslim.
  No serious person thinks that we are in the middle of a civil-liberties crisis.
  We have just seen thousands of fellow Americans slaughtered by legal immigrants to this country.
  And John Ashcroft has detained several hundred illegal immigrants?

  
  The best critique I've read concerning Ann Coulter
  is this article from Spinsanity -
  a site which I highly recommend for articles that aren't afraid to go after the left or the right -
  sometimes both in the same article...
  

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  • I have not read Ann Coulter's book "Treason" yet. I have read excerpts from it here and there. With that said, that I have not read the book but I have read excerpts (here and there) I see nothing major wrong with her book ... yet. I know that David Horowitz also criticized her book as well. Why don't I have a BIG problem with it yet ...? (NT) -- William, 00:16:39 07/14/03 Mon
  • Because, from what I have seen, she is using a magnifying glass to bring to light the dishonesty and anti-US agenda of the Liberals and the Leftists. The Leftists and Liberals do much worse than she has done, and it is their modus operandae. I think Ann Coulter, right or wrong, adds balance to Liberal and Leftist lies and rhetoric, by blowing their BS up large for all the world to see, even if it is a bit exaggerated at times. (NT) -- William, 00:17:42 07/14/03 Mon
  • I first note that's from Time magazine. Then I focus on the word "crisis." While I think there may be some affronts to civil liberties, i do not think it has reached anything near a crisis. Do you? I think terms like "crisis" are overused so they lose their meaning. While I am not at all pleased with several Ashcroft's actions, is it yet a crisis? We should be critical in measure. (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 20:36:51 07/14/03 Mon
  • The problem is that the Democrats prove Coulter correct each and every day regardless of the well-written, spinsanity piece. If she had called the book "Sedition," few would have even looked at the title. With many Democrats there is a pattern -- character assassination to win power, no matter what the cost to the country. Look at the discussions of extending the crisis in CA caught on open mike, for political gain. (NT) -- SurveyGuy (Not needing Coulter's book to come to the same conclusion.), 16:48:05 07/25/03 Fri

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• A followup to providing Spanish versions . . . now it's Klingon! -- SurveyGuy (Well, at least it's not Ebonics)
  , 21:29:12 05/11/03 Sun (pcp01422563pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.81.153.209)
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86550,00.html
  Klingon Interpreter Needed for Ore. Mental Patients
  Sunday, May 11, 2003
  
  PORTLAND, Ore. — Position Available: Interpreter, must be fluent in Klingon.
  
  The language created for the Star Trek (search) TV series and movies is one of about 55 needed by the office that treats mental health patients in metropolitan Multnomah County.
  
  "We have to provide information in all the languages our clients speak," said Jerry Jelusich, a procurement specialist for the county Department of Human Services, which serves about 60,000 mental health clients.
  
  Although created for works of fiction, Klingon was designed to have a consistent grammar, syntax and vocabulary.
  
  And now Multnomah County (search) research has found that many people — and not just fans — consider it a complete language.
  
  "There are some cases where we've had mental health patients where this was all they would speak," said the county's purchasing administrator, Franna Hathaway.
  
  County officials said that obligates them to respond with a Klingon-English interpreter, putting the language of starship Enterprise officer Worf and other Klingon characters on a par with common languages such as Russian and Vietnamese, and less common tongues including Dari and Tongan.
  

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  • Being Oregon, I am certain ballots will be printed up in Klingon also. Can dead Klingons still vote like dead Dims can? (NT) -- JL, 22:15:42 05/12/03 Mon
    • Only in Florida! Perhaps we should be asking Spock about this! How do you say "hanging chad" in Klingon???!!! (NT) -- pat, 12:48:21 05/13/03 Tue
      • Umm -- it's Oregon, not Florida ... or have I miscontrued your post? (NT) -- SurveyGuy (Bad ideas produce absurdities.), 21:43:05 05/14/03 Wed
        • Perhaps... My thought is that Dead Klingons could probably vote in Florida as well as possibly in Oregon... sorry if you didn't catch my feeble attempt at humor... (NT) -- pat, 09:21:12 05/15/03 Thu
  • FOLLOWUP: Oregon county calls off job for Klingon interpreter Click this link for story -- SurveyGuy (Darn - I was almost fluent enough to apply), 21:56:17 05/14/03 Wed

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• More governmental incompetence. The FBI, the CIA, and now a glimpse into the dim bulbs who manage the Secret Service. -- SurveyGuy, 22:35:52 07/25/03 Fri (pcp03884941pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.32.204.89)
  President Bush's Secret Service buffoons
  by Michelle Malkin
  http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33751
  Shame on the Secret Service. This week, it investigated renowned editorial cartoonist Michael Ramirez like he was some left-wing homeless crackpot who had sent President Bush an anthrax-laced death threat – all because Ramirez drew a provocative cartoon that was clearly intended to defend the president.
  
  [Snipped ... click link above to read whole commentary]
  

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  • SurveyGuy, I enjoyed Michelle's article. She is among my favorites. Did you hear about the man who was kicked off of British Airways recently because he wore a tag which stated "Suspected Terrorist"? His girlfriend, seated separately, ten rows away, was also kicked off the flight merely because they knew one another. I think it is clever to wear such a tag. (NT) -- William, 23:47:56 07/26/03 Sat
  • After my wife and I and our two small children were sent to a separate room before the airlines would accept our baggage, to have our belongings rifled through by hand, then through airport screening, then frisked, our shoes inspected, etc., before all the other passengers and passersby at the airport boarding area, I feel like carrying a name tag wich also says "Suspected Terrorist", because that is exactly what we are! (NT) -- William, 23:48:58 07/26/03 Sat
  • That is what we are to the airport security people and the government busy bodies, even though we do not fit the profile of a terrorists, especially an Islamofascist terrorist. Another guy made a small card, about the size of an index card, 3" by 5", metalic list of the Bill of Rights. When he comes through the airport screening he pulls it out and "gives up his rights" in order to board the aircraft. That list gives people an opportunity to read what our bill of rights states. (NT) -- William, 23:51:00 07/26/03 Sat
    • There is no uniformity and too often no common sense when it comes to airport "security." I ready the "suspected terrorist" article as well. Like the secret service not understanding the cartoon, the understandably humorless air personel displayed why we perhaps shouldn't trust them with hot beverages either. When rigid rules superceed thought, it is worse than the Prussian army ... and they wonder why air travel has declined. (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 09:43:45 07/27/03 Sun
  • Here is the cartoon they responded to -- what do you think?
    
    
    (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 22:25:05 07/28/03 Mon
    • Kind of in poor taste, actually, IMHO - even though W's expression speaks volumes (as does the label on the back of the would-be assasin). But I also think the Secret Service way overreacted without checking things out properly first -- context is a lost art of understanding. Nobody remembers history, so the Vietnam reference was lost in favor of hairtrigger/knee-jerk responses, whereby one goes to the trouble of straining out a gnat only to swallow a camel. (NT) -- Spock, 12:41:53 07/29/03 Tue
      • And don't forget the sign that says "Iraq." Ramirez actually had to explain the cartoon to a Times reporter. The problem is that the message is too difficult for minds that function at a primitive level -- but what of their managers?! Sometimesbeing provocative may be called distasteful. Clearly these are allegorical images. He needed to put a tag on the gun labelled "Distortions" to compete the story for the Secret Service. Taste has nothing to do with it. (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 21:04:37 07/29/03 Tue
        • How about if the gun had a little flag sticking out from the barrel that said "Lies?" Does that make it more tasteful? I thought it was a powerful image required to convey the message, but alas it seems to have failed to do so. (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 09:33:53 07/30/03 Wed
      • SurveyGuy, I did read the cartoon after I read your post. Thanks for posting it here. I don't see the problem with this cartoon. There is the clear implication, for those who might be aware of the current news, that politics are targeting Bush, as is actually taking place here in the US these days. Some of the Dems, especially those who are running for president, wish to bring Bush down a few notches. The Dems are weak on terror and Bush is stronger than they are so they have to deconstruct Bush and his appearance of strength. (NT) -- William, 03:11:54 07/30/03 Wed
      • What gets me is that they are adding a lit match to gasoline and contributing to the extension of problems here and abroad as well as throwing the Iraqi people to the wolves by prolonging the problems there by feeding into them by siding against our president and US soldiers.

        Sometimes splitting hairs is not the best and most prudent thing to do. Now is the time for unity and a show of resolute intentions, not petty, destructive, counterproductive political rangling falsely parading as patriotism or concern. (NT) -- William, 03:15:01 07/30/03 Wed

      • Spock, people are so dishonest, cruel and vicious to demonize Bush, Blair, the US, and those who actually take steps to fight thugs like Saddam, the Ba'athists, bin Laden, al Qaeda, and the soldiers and others who actually fight these thugs, calling Bush "Hitler" while greviously denying Saddam Hussein is anything like Hitler. They demonize the US for taking steps to protect itself. These same people think it is a good idea to go out and send troops to be killed for "humanitarian" reasons in countries or for reason which we did not chose for our own security (e.g, Liberia, Bosnia, etc.) (NT) -- William, 03:24:40 07/30/03 Wed

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  [> [> [> [> [> [> It is also obvious, based on your comment about Collin Powell's testimony, that you choose to devalue the information he presented. That definitely reveals your bias against Powell, the Bush administration, and the United States and your favoritism for Blix, the UN Inspectors, the UN Security Council members opposing action against Saddam, and your favoritism of Saddam himself. Powell offered legitimate evidence against Saddam and Iraq and you and others chose to discount it as was done during the build up of Nazism and the German war machine in the 1930s. History is repeating itself again. -- William, 15:18:17 03/09/03 Sun (cache-dq01.proxy.aol.com/205.188.209.133)
  
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  Uh huh.....number one: it is interesting to see that you think that any question of our nation's leadership, especially that of our 'commander-in-cheif' is un-patriotic and anti-American. Did Chris question the moral fabric of our entire country? No. Did he say he hates everything American? Apple pie? Baseball? No. Did he say he was happy that 9-11 happened. No. And yet you don't hesistate to call him an ally of evil by saying he supports Osama. All he did was question about wheter our not this country, 'of the people, by the people, for the people', was really doing what is in our best interests. Liberating Afganistan was in our interests, as well as those os others. But how about now? I'm not so sure anymore. Our country was founded by descent. The Boston tea party was seen as a 'terrorist act' by the British crown, and there weren't even any lives lost. Dissent is not only not un-patriotic, its what formed our nation. Would you prefer to be living under a British royal crown?
  
  Number two: Where were we in 1939 anyway? We were profiting off of the deaths of others by selling weapons to the desperate Europeans caught under Hitler's jackboot. We knew there was trouble, but we didn't want to get involved. We were looking out for our own interests. Not until Dec. 7 1941 did we do anything...all it took was an attack against us at Pearl Harbor
  
  I think that Bush was way to reckless when trying to gain support for the action in Iraq from the U.N. They didn't immedietly click their heels together and say 'yes sir Mr. President', and instead opted to take a small amount of time to try and do things right. We could have hade support from the entire world. Instead he dismissed the authority of the U.N., which is the best chance this world has at getting along with itself, and he may have well said "screw you guys, your totally wrong, we are totally right, and we are going to do what ever the hell we feel like, 'cause we are better than you"
  And even if America is the best country in the world, and I always believed that it was, you just don't go saying those things...ESPECIALLY when you are the Superpower that everyone looks to for support and guidance. Now the administration has succeeded in pissing of more than half of the world, and they don't seem to care, because 'we are more important than you'. Would you appreciate that kind of talk directed at you?
  

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• " A picture is worth a thousand words" -- William, 04:13:14 10/08/02 Tue (cache-mtc-ah04.proxy.aol.com/64.12.96.169)
  Here is a glimpse of what members of the "Religion of Peace", living here in the United States, really think about you and me.

  This is not intended as a joke or a prank

  Warning: Obscene content!

  
  

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  • According to this pic, it is one single "member," not "members." And in your zeal to paint Muslims with broad and unjust brushstrokes, it must be pointed out that the attitude expressed inthe pic is NOT reflective of all Muslim people. I know many Muslim people living in this country and they are as peaceful as anyone. It's like saying that all black people or American Indians are lazy, shiftless, and prone to criminal behavior. We shouldn't mischaracterize whole races and creeds based on some examples ugly behavior. I would expect better judgment from supposedly intelligent people. (NT) -- Richard, 18:27:44 10/08/02 Tue
    • Not one -- many, but clearly not all. If you do not think that at least 10% of the "peaceful" Muslims in the U.S. do not harbor the attitude depicted, then you are just deluding yourself. No one used the word "all" except you. You can't get away with trying to change other's words around here. Are you arguing that the young man in the picture is the only Muslim who has that attitude? You did say "one." If he is not the only one, then "members" is quite accurate, hmmmm? (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 21:51:58 10/08/02 Tue
      • Please reread his post carefully... it clearly said "members," which is plural, meaning more than one. I'm not arguing for anything but clarity. However, based on that poster's archival record, he has displayed quite a bit of negativity toward Muslims in general, based only on what a few thousand out of the hundreds of millions of the world Muslim population have done. I'd like to read that distinction acknowledged for a change. (NT) -- Richard, 23:24:57 10/08/02 Tue
        • "Here is a glimpse of what members of the "Religion of Peace", living here in the United States, really think about you and me." That is what it says. If you wish to think that all members of the Religion of Peace are hateful, spiteful, and desire to murder United States citizens and Jews, then go ahead. If it makes you feel better, read it this way: "Here is a glimpse of what many members of the "Religion of Peace" here in the United States really think about you and me". Many are here to slaughter U. S. citizens. They are bloodthirsty, hateful, and homicidal. Feel better now? (NT) -- William, 05:12:39 10/09/02 Wed
          • Are sweeping generalizations acceptable among intelligent people? -- Richard, 07:56:36 10/09/02 Wed
            • No one said all. Use of a plural does not imply all. You said "one." That is clearly wrong. Semantic games. Now you finally admit that there ARE 10-20,000 "vocally comitted." Seems that a plural makes sense. Please note that not a single Muslim vendor has been attacked here or anywhere, yet Jews on campuses have been attacked by Muslim students. Far too many examples to ignore. No sweeping generalization here except those you infer, yet were not implied. 20,000 or 100,000 fanatics trying to kill innocents supports the use of a plural "s." (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 10:01:58 10/09/02 Wed
              • Again, let's read EVERY word more carefully, please! -- Richard, 12:30:03 10/09/02 Wed
                • I think you will find Jihadism far more pervasive than you think. (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 22:51:25 10/09/02 Wed
                  • I must disagree with you! Mother Theresa's nuns and Homeschoolers are the most dangerous and evil people in the world! Muslims are the most pure, the most chaste, the most loving, compassionate, and peaceful! Even the Muslims who plan to slaughter United States citizens and Jews in their Jihad, are so sweet and holy! (NT) -- William, 02:45:41 10/10/02 Thu
                    • But the most annoying at Johovah's Witnesses. (NT) -- SG, 10:02:57 10/10/02 Thu
            • When they are proven to be true time and time again...yes. Please direct us to the link of the picture where these peaceful, terrorist-hating muslims are giving the finger to somebody besides US. Please direct us to links showing outrage for not only attacks against us and Israel, but against those within our borders who espouse such vile acts. Show me the outrage. I have been waiting for over a year to see and/or see or hear it. (NT) -- JL, 20:39:08 10/09/02 Wed
              • The reason the peaceful Muslims are afraid to speak out is thatthey are afraid. Remember Salmon Rushdi on whom the peace loving Ayatollah's put out a death warrant for writing a book? (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 23:00:49 10/09/02 Wed
                • What you said is an absolute and irrefutable fact! As recently as this month Yassar Arafat had some more Palestinians murdered. These people were chosen on such criteria as: They were a threat to his position; they disagreed with him; they wanted peace with Israel. The Muslim fanatics have gone after their own because they were not Militant enough or because they did not hate Jews or US citizens or because they did speak out against their Jihad. (NT) -- William, 02:40:10 10/10/02 Thu
                • It appears that our countrymen and women, including the two congresspersons who spoke against our president from inside Iraq but sided with Saddam Hussein, cliaming that they don't trust President Bush but that we should give Saddam Hussein the benefit of the doubt, overlook these things. (NT) -- William, 02:41:56 10/10/02 Thu
                • You surely ARE 100% on this one. But wouldn't that be like me having to be fearful of, say, you? And maybe William, Spock, or 'H' turning my card for speaking my mind? Yes, we certainly need to be more understanding and accepting of a culture such as that. islum (sic) - the religion of peace and love. (NT) -- JL, 19:16:16 10/17/02 Thu
  • Blahblahblah...All I can say to our friend in the picture is "Right back atcha!" (And ditto for any other similarly-sentimented MEMBERS of Al Qaeda & the Islamic faith.) (NT) -- Spock (vocally committed to America, its Constitution, and its PATRIOTS), 12:19:44 10/09/02 Wed
    • Why would you lower yourself to his level with that form of vulgar expression? (NT) -- Mary Katherine, 17:35:46 10/09/02 Wed
      • Because they are evil, murdering muthafukkas who wish to do us great harm. Toughen up Mary Katherine. You probably have a good and noble heart, but we need Rosie the Riveters now...not pansies. (NT) -- JL, 20:45:06 10/09/02 Wed
        • "More baseless preaching that won't go without rejoinder" Do these comments qualify as well? -- Richard, 23:27:14 10/09/02 Wed
          • One word: CONTEXT. It's a good thing. (NT) -- Spock (with special thanks to Martha Stewart), 14:13:03 10/11/02 Fri
            • I guess that since there wasn't the (NT) at the end of the post, you didn't remember to click on the link to get the rest of the message, which would have provided all the context you would have needed. Then your weak attempt at being a wise ass would have been unnecessary. (NT) -- Richard, 23:16:08 10/11/02 Fri
              • Oh, I read them all, thanks, including my own contributions therein. I maintain my statement. These statements IN CONTEXT mean something different from plucking them out and hanging them randomly. You've cited circumstantial evidence, not didactic. BTW how does calling me a wise-ass put you on the high road, when you never took the time to understand what I was saying? (NT) -- Spock, 13:53:34 10/14/02 Mon
        • Hi JL. It seems that some people STILL can't handle the truth!!! (NT) -- pat, 13:49:21 10/10/02 Thu
          • Hey there pat! Hope you have been well. No, they can't...but they sure are amusing. They are just frantic at this point. Yet nothing to contribute...only the same old vitriol - repackaged. Guess that fax machine is stuck on 'resend'. Nothing new to see here, folks...let's move along. (NT) -- JL ; ), 22:34:26 10/11/02 Fri
  • Actually, I agree with him. I feel exactly the same way about the media. Now, he ought to see a pic of what I think of him and his ilk. Now THAT might be deemed 'obscene'. (NT) -- JL, 20:02:22 10/09/02 Wed

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• Worthwhile viewing, if you haven't seen the Flash presentation to which this article refers. About 3 MB, so better with a fast connect. Links on page give lots of choices of source. -- SurveyGuy, 19:49:33 08/10/03 Sun (pcp03884941pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.32.204.89)
  ON THE HOME FRONT
  
  Web presentation honors
  U.S. troops
  
  Americans applaud patriotic tribute in midst of anti-war sentiment
  
  

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  ON THE HOME FRONT
  Posted: August 9, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern
  By Carrie Olson © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
  
  When Todd Clegg created a
  patriotic Web presentation for a coworker serving in Afghanistan, he had no idea his work would serve as a rallying point for many Americans wishing to show their support for the troops amid anti-war protests.
  
  The moving presentation, which features photographs of service men and women alternating with text written by Clegg, serves as a tribute to heroes of the past and present who have sacrificed in service to their country.
  
  The photographs depict scenes from D-Day, the raising of the flag at Iwo Jima, the September 11 attacks and the fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq.
  
  Clegg's presentation struck a chord with a broad base of the American public and military forces, and has created a rallying point for perhaps over a million supporters of U.S. troops.
  
  "The first week it was out I received 400 to 500 e-mails a day. After that it was about 50-100 a day. Now I still get 20-40 e-mails a day," Clegg told WorldNetDaily.
  
  His presentation garnered a widespread audience just as the war in Iraq spurred anti-war protests and heated debate about the legitimacy of U.S. involvement in the Gulf.
  
  Clegg released the tribute in March during the third week of the war in Iraq. He felt the need to encourage America's soldiers because he saw a prevailing sentiment against the war.
  
  "I had been collecting photos off the Web for some time; it just seemed like the right time to do it, especially when the sentiment was against the war and a little bit against the troops," Clegg explained.
  
  After two weeks of assembling the presentation and editing a soundtrack, Clegg sent the link to a coworker serving in Afghanistan.
  
  Originally, Clegg did not intend the presentation for widespread circulation, so it came as a surprise when the demand for the tribute bogged down the server of his employer, Press-A-Print International.
  
  The original recipients of the presentation sent the link to their friends and family who, in turn, sent the link to others. The result was a snowball effect that put an overwhelming demand on the company's server.
  
  "When the snowball first happened, they thought it was some sort of cyber attack," Clegg recalled with a chuckle.
  
  The demand became so great Clegg had to pull the link from the Net temporarily. On the webpage, he explained why the tribute was unavailable and invited others to assist him in hosting the presentation.
  
  When numerous offers to host the tribute came in from all over the Web, Clegg sent the files out and posted the links to these mirror sites at the original address. A partial list remains on the site, although more mirror sites have been added since the page was updated a month ago.
  
  Many who view the presentation e-mail Clegg with requests for a copy on compact disc to be shown at military conventions and memorials. He tries to keep up with the requests for copies and continues to respond to the thousands of e-mails that have poured into his inbox.
  
  Said Clegg: "Thousands of people have e-mailed me, and those are the ones who took the time to write. I never put a counter on the site, but I would say the number of viewers is in the millions by now."
  
  Clegg works as the website administrator and information technology manager at Press-A-Print International, a promotional product firm specializing in printed advertising products.
  
  Go to the page listing the links that can be used to view the presentation.
  
  

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  • "The photographs depict scenes from D-Day, the raising of the flag at Iwo Jima, the September 11 attacks and the fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq." So why not photos of My Lai, Mogadishu, the Teheran Rescue debacle? Because propagandists have to be very selective, Dr. Goebells taught them that. Then all they need are lots of pathetic, gullible people who miss the fairy stories their Mummy and Daddy used to tell them. Growing up is painful. (NT) -- John Bull, 15:19:00 08/12/03 Tue

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• Cartoonist Auth-- echos of Nazi-ism? -- SurveyGuy, 21:23:57 08/04/03 Mon (pcp03884941pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.32.204.89)
  This was posted on the Rant 'n Rave board. I thought visitors here would find this interesting.
  
  Date Posted: 20:43:42 08/04/03 Mon
  Author: Alex C
  Subject: Local Talk & Local Cartoonist coverage
  
  I've been out of town, and haven't listened to local talk lately. Has this http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=7729_Echoes_of_Nazism
  been discussed by any local talk host?
  It's a cartoon drawn by the Inquirer's Tom Auth. It was pretty harsh when seen on it's own. But when compared to 1930's Nazi propaganda, it looks, ahem, "coincidental".
  

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  • I interpret the cartoon attributed to Tony Auth as Israelis and Jews fencing Arabs in, in this case, Palestinian Arabs. Israel and Jews are often charged by Arabs and anti-Semitic westerners as "aggressors" while the suffering of Israelis and Jews is not even granted a footnote in international news. With that interpretation I find this cartoon offensive. The Israelis are the ones who are "fenced in". They live in less than 1% of the Middle East while surrounded by those who hate her. (NT) -- William, 02:11:12 08/05/03 Tue
  • I haven't followed Auth's work closely, but it's usually provocatively controversial, to say the least, and not sympathetic to conservative viewpoints. What troubles me is how short people's memories are. The 20th century saw everything in society start accelerating and expanding exponentially. The price is that old must be jettisoned to make room for new -- including knowledge...and common sense. How long before Klintoon is an upstanding, moral citizen, leading this country through a Golden Age? I shudder to think. (NT) -- Spock, 15:08:24 08/06/03 Wed
    • Spock, I have noticed a "head in the sand" action taken by leftists, liberals, extreme right wingers, and Democrats regarding this anti-Jew, and anti-Israel sentiment. I have noticed the same regarding the US taking military action to defend herself or ensure her own security after 9-11. This it outrageous and I wonder if this is polarizing people here as it appears to me to be doing, those who care, those who don't, those who demonize the US in such a way as to give aid and comfort to the enemy/ies, etc. (NT) -- William, 16:51:37 08/06/03 Wed
    • Now people who condemned US military action for her own safety in Afghanistan and Iraq are screaming that we must send troops to Liberia or we are not really compassionate, etc., while it is obvious that when we send troops to fight for our own security we are demonized. What a double standard and what hypocracy!

      Here is a rather interesting quote: "Some in my party are sending out a message that they don't know a just war when they see it, and, more broadly, are not prepared to use our military strength to protect our security and the cause of freedom." Sen. Joe Lieberman, (7/28/03) (NT) -- William, 16:54:21 08/06/03 Wed

      • Maybe I should send these two cartoons to Joe Lieberman. Yeah, he'd criticize a liberal newspaper ... yeah, sure. (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 20:15:56 08/06/03 Wed
        • Go ahead -- it would be an interesting experiment: he is such a butt-kissing chameleon, he probably would, if it would get him votes. (NT) -- Spock, 13:57:45 08/07/03 Thu
          • In all fairness, what is interesting is that a year ago, Auth had a cartoon critical of Islam. Pointed out their "tolerance." It read, "We tolerate fanatics, suicide bombers, terrorist ‘charities’ and women … barely.” Boy did that get the Muslims in an uproar. (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 19:18:58 08/07/03 Thu
            • Don't you just wish that everyone could be as tolerant as the Muslims have shown themselves to be? There would be so much love, patience, joy, compassion, and mercy. There would no longer be women confined to their home or limited from higher education and the workplace. There would be no more women stoned to death or whipped or canned when they are accused of having sex outside of marriage or even after they are raped. There would be an atmosphere of tolerance in religion also. No one would worry about being harassed, ostrasized or tortured or killed for leaving Islam. (NT) -- William, 17:40:29 08/08/03 Fri
            • No one would be made to feel like a second or third class citizen or even treated like a lesser person for practicing another faith other than Islam. Children would learn to love their fellow humans rather than to kill them.

              Opps! I just listed the things that Muslims actually DO, not the things which they oppose. (NT) -- William, 17:52:12 08/08/03 Fri

              • william, email me to the abuse box above so i get a copy. I have something for you and I lost your addy. (NT) -- Gary, 15:56:22 08/10/03 Sun

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